krsna Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 How British Fabricated/Destroyed India's Historical Records How did the British fabricate and destroy the historic records of India and misguide the whole world? http://thetruehistoryandthereligionofindia.org/ The Divine knowledge of Hindu (Bhartiya) scriptures could have benefited the aspirants of God of the whole world. But, the diplomats of the British, who were ruling India in those days, clouded this opportunity by extensively launching their deliberate false propagation about India and its universal Hindu religion, and not only that, they degraded Hindu culture by all means, and thus, hampered the spiritual growth of the whole world. A fair example is the Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1854 itself in which they fed such derogatory statements about Hindu (Bhartiya) religion. Encyclopaedia Britannica, 8th Edition (1854), Volume XI. Millions of Europeans have visited India and have praised the Indian architecture. The fact is that the melody of Indian classical music is world famous, and the most renowned historical musician, Tansen, of Akbar's court was the disciple of Swami Haridas. But see what the English people wrote in their encyclopedia, "In architecture, in the fine arts, in painting and music, the Hindus are greatly inferior to the Europeans. `The columns and pillars,' says Tennant, `which adorn their immense pagodas, are destitute of any fixed proportions; and the edifices themselves are subjected to no rules of architecture.' He afterwards adds that the celebrated mausoleum at Agra has little to boast of either in simplicity or elegance of design." "The music of the Hindus is rude and inharmonious. They have numerous instruments, but those are preferred which make the most noise." (p. 477) The Hindu science of medicine named "Ayurved" was well established 200 years ago when modern medical technology was still developing; and India has lots of excellent Sanskrit literature. But see what Britannica said, "In the medical art: charms, incantations, exorcisms and the shallowest tricks are substituted for professional skill; and other imposters, generally Brahmins, practise astrology, and cheat them out of their money by pretended prophecies." "The literature of the Hindus has been generally rated very low by European writers, and has been represented as consisting in long desultory poems, inflated, and extravagant in their style, containing, under the idea of a history, a tissue of absurd fables." (pp. 474, 477) The topmost English literature, Beowulf, deals with dragons and monsters, the Shakespearean drama displays the tragedies of worldly living, and Wuthering Heights etc., expose the disappointing pains of an ambitious mind; whereas all of the Sanskrit literature is, in some way, related to the teachings of God and God realization. Now see how did they degrade the universal Hindu religion and the Hindu society, and what did they write about Shivaji who was a well known religious, honest and ardent patriot of Hinduism who fought for the protection of our country. "Their religion is that of a rude people, consisting in an endless detail of troublesome ceremonies." "The state of morals among the Hindus is such as might be expected from a religion so impure." "The historical poem, the Mahabharat, is a tissue of extravagant fables." (pp. 467, 470, 478) "The Hindus are by no means a moral people. According to the observation of Orme, the politics of Hindustan would afford in a century more frequent examples of sanguinary cruelty than the whole history of Europe since the reign of Charlemagne." (p. 472) "The Hindu rulers, however ignorant in other matters, thus appear to have been familiar with all the most approved modes of plundering their subjects. Power was here a license to plunder and oppress. The rod of the oppressor was literally omnipresent; neither persons nor property were secure against its persevering and vexatious intrusions." (p. 476) "Sevajee, the founder of this new state, was the chief of the Rajpoot princes. In his youth he resided at Poonah, on a zemindary estate obtained by his father. Here he collected around him a numerous banditti, and plundered the country." (p. 479) Those are just a few examples. More than twelve pages of the encyclopedia are filled with such senseless lies. Anyone who has read the history of Europe knows about the royal disposals in the Tower of London, and the brutal torturing and burning alive at the stake of millions of innocent people during the Inquisitions. He also knows about the bloody conquests of King Charlemagne who once killed about 5,000 Saxons in one day as he enjoyed mass executions in order to spread Christianity. It is thus evident that the English people misguided the entire world by giving a false image of Hinduism and the universal Hindu religion. Fabrication in the Bhavishya Puran. (Bhavishya Puran, Pratisarg Parv, part 1, chapter 6) While going through the Bhavishya Puran at one place I found some discrepancy in the contents of the verses. Again, when I looked at it carefully, I discovered that some of the verses are fabricated. It was not difficult to find out as to who would have done that, because the direct beneficiary of this fabrication was Sir William Jones. Jones, in his tenth presidential speech in 1793, stressed on the period of Chandragupt Maurya to be 312 BC and mentioned that Chandragupt had a treaty with Seleucus. The derived date of Chandragupt in these fabricated verses comes to exactly 312 BC. Thus, to justify his false statement of 1793, this fabrication must have been done according to his instructions. Jones died a year later, so it may have been done after his death. It's a general understanding that crime always leaves some clue, but here we have more than that. It appears that the learned pandit who was doing this job for the people of the Asiatic Society, was doing it under some kind of social or family pressure and against his conscience. So he did the job and created the verses with the desired dates, whatever they wanted, but he fully messed up the genealogical description of Buddh and Chandragupt. The general meaning of the verses of Chapter 6: "Sage Kashyap begot Gautam who was Hari. Gautam introduced Buddh religion and reigned for 10 years. His son Shakya Muni ruled for 20 years and then his son Shuddhodan ruled for 30 years. Shuddhodan's son was Shakya Singh who was born at the elapse of 2,700 years of kaliyug. This king was the destroyer of Vedic religion. He ruled for 60 years and converted everyone into Buddhism. Shakya Singh's son was Buddh Singh who ruled for 30 years. Buddh Singh's son was Chandragupt who ruled for 60 years. His son Bindusar ruled for 60 years. Bindusar's son was Ashok…" Comments: These verses were fabricated by the English people. It is an historical fact that Gautam Buddh did not rule any kingdom as he had renounced the world, and the second thing is that he was the son of Shuddhodan. But here Shuddhodan is shown as the grandson of Gautam. Gautam Buddh was during the time of King Bimbsar of Shishunag dynasty in 1800's BC. But here Buddh's time comes to 462 BC [2,700 years of kaliyug (-) 60 (10 + 20 + 30) years = 2,640, and subtracting 2,640 years from 3102 BC, which is the beginning of kaliyug, it comes to 462 BC] which was the desired figure by the English people. Another thing is, that each and every writer has accepted Chandragupt as the son of Nand. But here Chandragupt is shown as the son of Buddh Singh and the great-grandson of Shuddhodan (who was the historically known father of Gautam Buddh). The actual period of Chandragupt is 1500's BC. But here it comes to 312 BC [2,700 + (60 + 30) = 2,790]. Deducting 2,790 years, (the elapsed period of kaliyug) from 3102 BC (the beginning of kaliyug) comes to 312 BC which was especially desired by Jones. From the above discussions it is thus clear that the obedient servants of the British regime, the people of the Asiatic Society and East India Company, fabricatingly muddled up the historic dates of important personalities in our original records. /images/graemlins/frown.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted June 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 British Fabications about India's History Descriptions of the kings of Magadh in the Puranas were fabricated, historic records were destroyed, false synchronization of edicts and coins were created to connect them to Ashok of Maurya dynasty, and in this way misguided the whole world. The fabrications. The example of the mutilation in the Bhavishya Puran is one of the most potent evidences that reveal the style of the working of the British. It evidently surmises that first they fabricated and incorporated the desired date of an historical personality in the original manuscript, whatever they wanted. Then they employed efficient scholars to write the full page or the full chapter that had the fabrication by exactly imitating the writing style of the original. In this way when the imitation was ready to the desired standard, they destroyed the original sheets and replaced them with the imitated ones. Now an original-looking manuscript was ready for circulation which was in fact the fabricated one. When the Venkateshwar Press printed the Bhavishya Puran, as a general professional policy, they must have looked into more than one manuscript to ascertain the correctness of the matter, and because that was the only kind of manuscript available, so it was printed that way. Other printers copied the same thing which was printed by the Venkateshwar Press. With this reference it becomes evident that the dynastical discrepancies in the descriptions of the rulers of Magadh, which are found in the printed volumes of the Puranas like Vishnu, Matsya, Vayu and Brahmand, may also be the work of the same people. There is also a possibility that in certain old manuscripts, while copying, the person may have made some minor mistakes in rewriting the names and the ruling period of the kings. But, in that case, there must also have been such ancient manuscripts of the same Puran that would have correct names and figures, because there were a number of copies available of all the Puranas at that time. So it was fully possible to get the correct version of the names and the ruling period of the kings of the dynasties of Magadh by comparing all the available manuscripts of those Puranas which describe the dynasties of Magadh. But it was not done, because the English people were not interested in correcting the dynastic statements; they were interested in damaging the statements so that they could find an excuse to disregard the authenticity of the descriptions of the Puranas. They had almost all the available manuscripts of the Puranas in their vast libraries and they had all the possible facilities to reconstruct and fabricate the manuscripts. Thus, under the above circumstances, it is most logical to believe that they must have destroyed these manuscripts (the entire manuscript, or only the required part of it) which had the correct statements of the kings of Magadh and kept those few which had some discrepancies; and, at the same time, they must have also added new discrepancies and fabricated the manuscripts of the Puranas according to their desired scheme. In this way, they created a master copy of each Puran with those dynastical discrepancies and, accordingly, fabricated the rest of the copies of those Puranas that were in their possession. These copies were made available for circulation. Later on these fabricated copies were published which are available nowadays. There are only eight dynasties from Brihadrath to Andhra that are described in the four Puranas with the names of the kings and their reigning period. But in the existing available copies they don't exactly match with each other. The pronunciation of their names and their reigning period varies. They are supposed to be exactly the same, but they are not. At some places this discrepancy is enormous. For example: In the Matsya Puran there is a description of only 6 kings in Maurya dynasty whose names are mostly unmatched and are not in proper sequence and who ruled for (6 + 70 +36 + 8 + 9 + 70) 199 years. But the concluding verse at the end of this description and in the same chapter tells that the total number of Maurya kings was 10 and their reigning period was 137 years. Such drastic discrepancies can never be the copying mistakes even if the most sloppy person is doing this job. It's a clear case of deliberate fabrication. The last thing is that, except the dynastical discrepancies, all the available Puranas are still in a perfect shape. Their Divine references, stories, teachings, technical descriptions, philosophy and the ancient history, everything is well coordinated and well established. When were these fabrications done? You may be interested to know when was that done? It's easy to find out. Jones gives his last statement in 1793, and after 39 years in 1832 H.H. Wilson, the President of the Asiatic Society of London, publishes his commentary on the Vishnu Puran in which he gives a comparative view of the dynastical discrepancies of all the four Puranas. In this way he establishes a ground to criticize all the Puranas. Thus, it is clear that these fabrications to distort the dynastic dates and the pronunciation of the names of the kings of Magadh were done in the early 19th century. Thirty-nine years were good enough time for them to fabricate the Puranas. The ingenious trickeries. (1) The fabrication and the mutilation in the dynastic records of the Puranas, and its subsequent presentation by H.H. Wilson in his commentary on the Vishnu Puran, was such an ingenious work of trickery by the English people that confused every Indian writer and they couldn't detect the fraud. The writers like Narayana Sastry and Krishnamacharar also got confused by this trickery and all the writers thought that the dynastic descriptions of the Puranas were faulty. (2) Not only that, they did something more which was worse than that. They promoted and produced some of the religious books (the Smritis and Grihya Sutras etc.) that had certain impious interpolations which showed that Hindu Sages killed and ate animals. They destroyed the true originals, kept the corrupted copies of those books for circulation and publication, and then said, "See, your own books are saying that," and in this way all the western writers got the license to openly abuse the Hindu religion. This trickery also befooled the whole world. Such interpolations would have been done by the Chatriya Kings of olden days as they loved to eat meat. So, to justify their such habits, they employed Sanskirt scholars to add such passages of meat eating in our hand-written religious books, which later on remained as collections in the Hindu society. When the English people came to India and started collecting our handwritten scriptures they discovered those impious interpolations of meat eating in the religious books of rituals and Smritis etc. It was in their favor, because they wanted to destroy our religion and culture. So, using the influence of their ruling power, they enormously collected our books and employed hundreds of scholars to reorganize and sort out the books according to their choice. In that collection there must have been some non-interpolated books in their unblemished form. Those books would prove hazardous to their scheme, so they were later on carefully destroyed. This was the period when the members of the Asiatic Society of Bengal were actively involved in producing such literatures that degraded and abused Hindu religion, and its president Sir William Jones, the obedient servant of the British, was wholeheartedly busy finding ways of how to blemish the greatness of Hindu scriptures and condemn the Divine history. It is thus very obvious that those people, to achieve their aim of defaming Hindu religion, must have also done a lot of fabrications and would have interpolated such verses in Hindu religious books wherever they would have found it convenient to do so; and later on they must have destroyed the true and uninterpolated handwritten books. They knew that Hindus adore their Sages, Saints and acharyas. They are vegetarian and have great regard for the cow. Thus, with one blow, they tried to crumble the faith of the Hindus in their Vedic Sages. They vigorously promoted such ideas which showed that Vedic brahmans not only ate meat but they loved to eat meat as a must. In this way they imposed their personal characteristics upon Hindu Sages. The Greek gods and goddesses were pleased with animal sacrifices, Roman gods were of the same kind, and the God of OT loved to demand frequent animal sacrifices from each and every house. Thus, because such things were in their own religion, the English people, tried to abuse the Vedic yagyas and the Vedic religion in a similar way. Could any sensible person imagine the depth and the extent of the wilfulness of those people who promoted such frauds to delude the minds of the Hindus from their own religion? In those days, in the late 19th century, there were three major publishing companies in India, Shree Venkateshwar Press of Bombay (1871), Nirnaya Sagar Press of Bombay (1864) and Chaukhamba Vidyabhavan of Varanasi (1892). Most of the religious books and scriptures were originally published by them. It should be noted that it was the prime ruling period of the British in India. So it must be understood that the manuscripts that were produced by the English people were unhesitatingly printed by these publishers. Whether they did it knowingly or unknowingly, it can't be said, but the fact was that for them only those copies were available for printing.* Thus, on one side, the English people got those fabricated religious books published and destroyed the true originals; and, on the other side, they showed to the Hindu community that it is their own religious books that say such things. In this way, their ingenious trickery befooled the Hindu society, Hindu scholars and also befooled the whole world. Now you know the truth. So, wherever such impious verses or passages are seen in our printed religious books you must know that they are the malicious gift of the rulers of India of those days. False synchronization of edicts and coins. To support their fabricated ideology of Chandragupt Maurya being in 300's BC, they did a lot more fabrications and manipulations. There were two kings in Magadh dynasties: Ashokvardhan, the grandson of Chandragupt Maurya, who was in the 15th century BC, and Samudragupt Ashokaditya (Priyadarshin), the son of Chandragupt of Gupt dynasty, who was in 4th century BC. Samudragupt was called Samudragupt Ashokaditya, or Ashok, or Ashok- the-Great or Ashok Priyadarshin. He was called Priyadarshin after adopting the Buddhist religion. But he was generally known as Ashok. He had a huge empire that stretched up to Punjab, whereas Ashokvardhan's kingdom was very small. It was the existing Bihar province of India. Ashok (Samudragupt Ashokaditya) established a number of monuments throughout his kingdom. Taking advantage of the similarity of their name, the English people, manipulatingly ascribed all the edicts of Samudragupt Ashokaditya to Ashokvardhan who was the grandson of Chandragupt Maurya. The period of Chandragupt Maurya was already pulled down from 1541 BC to 312 BC by Jones and it was subsequently followed by the other European writers. So, whatever ancient coins and edicts of that period (3rd to 4th century B.C.) were found, they tried to patch it up with Ashokvardhan (Maurya), which, in fact, were related to Samudragupt Ashokaditya. In general, they fabricated and created such records that showed wrong historic dates of all of the important historical figures like Panini, Buddh and Shankaracharya etc. In this way their writers constructed an enormous amount of biased literature against Indian religion and history that flooded all the libraries of India and of the world, which became the basis for all other writers to follow the same line of negative concepts about India; and thus, the glory of our scriptural Dignity was suppressed under the weight of their fabricated net of forged ideologies. They spoiled the social structure of India along with its national developments. The policy of the Britishers to create personal embitterment in the community, the emphasis on the English education, to represent the Vedic religion in a most demeaning manner, to keep the Indians under the grip of poverty by not promoting the industrial developments of India, and to own the big commercial companies themselves, damaged the entire social structure of India. As a result, the common people of India lost their national consciousness. They forgot that the welfare of India is their own welfare and the damage to India is their own damage; and thus, a deep instinct of personal selfishness grew in the hearts of the Indians from which they couldn't recover. The nineteenth century and the twentieth century were the prime time in the history of the world when major social, industrial and scientific developments happened and the prosperity of a country touched its heights. But, during that time India was only sucked of its resources and was left far behind because of the ruling policy of the British. Two hundred years of loss in the field of commercial, industrial, technological and scientific development is such a big thing which can hardly be recouped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagat Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Sigh. This is mostly pointless fabrication and pure propaganda. Almost any point in this article can be torn to pieces and I don't intend to waste my energy. But take the dynasties, for instance. Did the British falsify hundreds of thousands of handwritten manuscripts just to undermine Hindu civilization? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxvvii Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Britain is your's suzerain even now, especially in politics. You're enjoying a so perfect political system that you even threaten me on social system without any scruple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Actually, the whole world belongs to God, not just Israel and Jerusalem. If the whole world is not the property of God then who's property is it? Men will take and divide the whole world for their own purposes. Actually, Israel is a predominantly Jewish state that has it's share of bars, discos and hedonism. Israel itself has taken the Holy Land and legalized bars, discos and all sorts of hedonistic culture. Israel is being erroded from within. Israel as a state is defiling the Holy Land more than Americans or Muslims ever have or ever will. The Muslims would never allow that kind of hedonistic corruption that the state of Israel itself has sanctioned. Who believes this Bible prophecy? People have been predicting apocalypse based on Bible prophecy for thousands of years and none of it has come to pass yet and we don't expect it ever will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 But take the dynasties, for instance. Did the British falsify hundreds of thousands of handwritten manuscripts just to undermine Hindu civilization? I think not. __________ well you see, British wanted to control India, so it is very logical fact that if you destroy the manuscripts and various other documents, you cripple people's beliefs etc. However, British did not really destroy India, but they saved it from the wreckage it was going through by the Moghul Empire. They did the same thing with China... The boxer rebellion in china led to the british control thus decreasing the ridiculous propaganda of the empress and also by increasing free will in the people. They later fight for democracy under Sun-Yat-Sen but that doesn't go well does it... The british saved many places from ruin and also gave the gift of democracy to the world. They are the people who truly made democracy possible all over the world, not us(Americans). Even though we are the present guardians of democracy. ...depends on what you take bush to be... Alcopone or the next Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Whatever the British did to India, we know from shastra could not have happened unless it was sanctioned by God as a karma on the land of India. "Not a blade of grass moves without the will of God" India got it's just karma and no less. The British can be blamed for the misfortune of India, but actually India was simply getting the collective Karma of it's peoples. If not for the British, India today might be ruled by a Muslim theocracy through suppression and genocide of the Hindus. We cannot understand the karma or destiny of India with our limited views. Playing the blame game on the British is a fruitless journey into a history that cannot be changed. India must deal with today and the future and let the past sleep in it's grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagat Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 The British could control India without destroying manuscripts. Actually, the British did more to SAVE manuscripts and to promote the recuperation of manuscripts than Indians did themselves. The British created museums, universities for linguistic and archeological studies, etc. Even those who oppose Euro-centric interpretations of Indian history still have to use the scientific discourse institutionalized by the British in order to legitimize their arguments. Superficial rhetoric and farfetched conspiracy theories are laughable, if they were not used to promote certain distasteful fascistic-type agendas. There are enough injustices in the past without having to invent new ones. At the same time, the need to fancy a golden past of infinite glory is one that the rational human being stands on guard against. In this respect, Guruvani is perfectly correct. It is worth understanding the past, but not in order to preserve and continue old recriminations and grudges, which prevent us from changing the present and building the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 <<It is worth understanding the past, but not in order to preserve and continue old recriminations and grudges, which prevent us from changing the present and building the future. >> yes. however, it is the current time in which encyclopedica of britanica is writing low of the hindus. there is a mean motive behind it. therefore the hindus need not remain silent about it. at least one effort should be made to tell the publishers and the world that what EB says is wrong. what is the use of a book of learnign that tells lies? remember the story of syamantak jewel? krishna had to act when he was blamed. this is the age of information warefare. hare krishnas and the hindus can become fierce information warriors with true info. they must, i belive. jai sri krishna! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 http://members.tripod.com/~ramkumaram/article3.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guruvani Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 I don't see how this topic belongs in the "spiritual discussions" forum. the topic is not about spirituality. it seems more like politics or history. maybe this category is where most of the action is so it was posted here to get the most attention, but the reason this category of topic is the most busy is because most of the members are more interested in spiritual discussion than the discussions going on in other forums. Posting off topic threads in the spiritual discussions forum is just a way to get attention to topics that most people aren't interested in. when i come to the spiritual discussion group I get a little irritated when non-spiritual discussions are being pushed in my face. If I wanted to talk about history or politics I would go to the groups that discuss that kind of dry, boring subject matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 you gave us the political system, must be kidding. Shastars gave us the political system and shastars were written why ur ancestors were in stone age. You are our kids so be a kid dont try to be our father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2003 Report Share Posted December 7, 2003 Something everyone tends to forget (because it's so easy to hate the EVIL British) that India was for 800 years BEFORE the Brits arrived under Mughal rule. As far as I know the British have NEVER burned books (instead they'd put them in museums) as the Mughals did. Ayurvedic medicine is not being forgotten because of the brits but because the govt of India isn't interested in preserving the 'local' values, but wants to become as westernized as possible (actually impossible with all the corruption, but that's another story). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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