God created the universe ? OR Univerise created the god ?

[sid]

I don't belive in bilindly following thing. i alwayes belived there is a logical reson to everything. so there nust be a reson to god if exsisted, i am puzzelsed by many Q such as , who is the god? who created the universe ? ....

 

is't this universe is created in the big bang , where did god come into the screean.

 

[Avinash]

It is possible that Big bang caused the world as we see it now. But, I do not believe that Big bang was the ultimte beginning.

[I_love_krishna_]

Or you can call them "Multiverses"

 

The point is... even scientists today don't agree that Big bang has created this universe.

 

It is a theory ... a theory based on mental speculation. HOwever, it is possible that there were many big bangs... which created this universe..

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

U can never get to know God or feel his presence by logical reasoning, what you need to have ananya Bhakti to know God.

[gHari]

That anything exists is inconceivable.

 

Matter and space are pretty mundane. They are definitely not inconceivable.

 

But God is. He Just Is.

 

We see a reason for everything. Indeed, He is the reason that everything exists. Strung on His inconceivable existence, is everything and everyone that will ever be; all for His enjoyment.

 

He is the owner and enjoyer of everything, and everyone's best friend. Live your life in this knowledge and the inconceivable will become known. This is religion, the big picture. This is reality.

 

gHari

 

[Guest guest]

 

what is the primal cause of causes ?

 

the Brahma samhita says

 

'Isvara parama Krishna...

...sarva karana karanam.'

 

which translates as ,the ultimate controller of the

cosmos is Krishna, He is the Karana Karanam,the ultimate cause of all causes.

 

the material 3 dimensional world (the 4th dimension is sometimes regarded as time) according to quantum physics

is an illusion,at the basest level non mass wavelets of energy(quanta) are

somehow tranforming into mass, or solidity, and manifesting this 3 dimensional reality.

 

which is like a computer Virtual Reality , there the illusion of a real 3 dimensional world is created by

the manipulation of Data creating a Virtual world that

seems real(as the software gets better, the illusion

of a VR world gets more real).

 

the ultimate VR world is seen in the Star Trek T.V. show,

they have the Holodeck, they can enter into a virtual reality chamber and a whole 3 dimensional world is created

that is indistinguishable from the "real" world.

 

So that is our situation, this 3 dimensional reality is a creation from a subtler dimension, the 5th dimension,

that is the dimension of consciousness,in Fact WE exist in the 5th dimension, our ability to interact on the 3 dimensional reality is done through 3 dimensional bodies,

and 3 dimensional stuff, or matter.

 

just like if you want to enter a VR world, you need the proper equipment, then you log in and interact in that reality with an Avatar or virtual form.

 

so in order for us to interact in the 3 dimensional world,

our 5th dimensional BEING needs to take on an avatar(sanskrit for incarnation) or proper form .

 

so the entire material cosmos is really in fact a virtual reality, being maintaned and controlled from another dimension, Physicists like David Bohm call this dimension

the Sub quantum strata which is the Mainframe for our 3 dimensional reality, everything in this materal manifestation is a transformation of energy , this is accepted fact in the world of the quantum physicists,

what that sub quantum energy is , is a great mystery to them.

 

the Vedic literature calls that energy 'Brahman', it is infinite and has no beginning or end, ultimately philosophicaly speaking no other reality is possible.

 

infinity must exist, if anything exists.

 

in order for infinity to exist there must be something

to define it's existence, nothing cannot exist infinitly,

that is not possible, if anything exists then automatically the only absolute truth is that infinity must exist as well and something must be comprising the nature

of infinity.

 

That is the sub quantum strata or Brahman, an infinite

changeless energy field of inconceivable quality.

 

We are told that Brahman is the original substance,

it was not created by a previous thing, it is the primal substance, logically SOMETHING had to be existing before anything else, if anything exists.

 

so according to the Vedic literature Brahman is the origin,

existing as a force field of infinite energy, because

this energy has manifested order in the 3 dimensional

reality we live in, Brahman must have not only consciousness, but also be energetic(able to control it's energy) and have intellect.

 

so this is the Vedic concept, God exists as an infinite

field of conscious energy with the ability to think,

and control it's Self/energy.

 

We are told that everything that exists in this world

exists within the being of God,comprised of God's

Self, at the same time God has created this 3 dimensional world and exists simultaneously in a higher

dimension, as we do, the dimension of consciousness, the original dimension , the difference between god and ourselves is that we are tiny and partake of the nature

of the infinite, whereas the infinite itself has an infinite power and ability that we only manifest in a

infinitesimal way, the ability to think, create,manipulate,

etc.

 

We exist only in our bodies,god exists in infinity,

having no end, also god has the ability to be fully conscious at any point in the infinite substance, without

losing any fullness of consciousness and control any where

else , god has the ability to interact at the same time

in an infinite variety of ways anywhere and everywhere,

without losing any concentration or focus.

 

We can deduce this from looking at nature, the laws of nature are working perfectly, why should this be ?

 

why doesn'y everything collapse into chaos, the second law of thermodynamics insists that is should, but it doesn't,

nature is perfectly aligned and running smoothly, from

Galaxies, to stars, to planets,to eco systems, it's

all running perfectly, mathematically precise with

such symettry and precision that any deviation

in anything ,just a little, and things like the earth,

the sun and galaxies, life as we know it, and everything

else would not exist,could not exist.

 

that is our situation, logically god must exist,

be intelligent,and able to control the cosmos at the

quantum level to the cosmic , anything else and their would only be ...nothing.

[sid]

ok lets simplify a bit, all the world we r seeing is a VR like matrix or maya. also ur saying god as an infinite eneery from quntum to cosmic level. u also point out the dimentions in which we react or see that they exist.

 

my Q is this where do u got that infinite energy?

 

cosidering it was alwayes there so taking that basis as origin now why is it what we see the cosmos is like this not anything else. i guess it is because universe or any thing is governed by some set of laws or rules.

 

also, who has a start will alwayes end so it be with cosmos also.

 

[Guest guest]

Great Poetry

Love that style of expression,

So Krishna Kool.

 

I mean it puts Krishna

Right there where we need Him most

On the cutting edge

of so-called modernity.

 

I feel like getting a can of spray paint

and putting your words all over town

where all those cool kids can see them !

[Guest guest]

the asn to this is in another Q that is ............

 

Which came first The Chicken OR The Egg ?????

 

 

any guess for that ???

[Guest guest]

Chicken comes first, because egg comes from the chicken.

 

From the egg comes the chick not chicken. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Guest guest]

 

"Which came first The Chicken OR The Egg ?????"

 

What do you think if we will just ask the creator of the Chicken and the egg? ..hehehhehehe

 

Hey..here we go again guys...confused of the beginning..Who is first: the creation or the creator? And the Big Bang theory?

 

What do you think why it is still a Theory? Becasue it has not prove it's validity yet..and I believe it will remain a theory becasue even the scientist today believe that there is a Creator/Master/ Architec.

 

Where is your faith people?

 

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

 

Does Reg Vedas told you.... In the beginning heaven and earth created God. Vedas doesn't, right?

 

Hey Sid....if you are not convinced that God created the Universe...throw your clock.....becasue it doesn't tell the truth anyway..if you won't believe it was created by someone...and only by chance...

 

Or maybe wear a helmet everyday..every minute..who knows, there is another big bang and the earth will be out of it's orbit....if there is no One powerful guiding it anyway...

 

Hey Sid..don't get angry of me..I am just trying to make my point here...hehehhehehehe...be cool man....

 

God Loves you anyway....

[Guest guest]

I can get you references from the ancient Vedic scriptures which tell you how the universe is created.

 

Dear friend, if you want you can follow Genesis it is fine, but do not bash the authority of the vedas.

 

Vedas are the truth.

[Guest guest]

really the big bang was created by temperture that was really hot in space it blew up then cooled down and turned into helium and gases and because the explosion it caused the univerise to expand

[sid]

ok ... show me ....

vedas or any thing else u have ...

but i don't know how u will prove the creator locked in its own creation /images/graemlins/smile.gif. .........

 

 

[Guest guest]

"God created the universe ? OR Univerise created the god ? "

 

they're contemporary and eternal

 

[Guest guest]

can u see the wind when it blows past you? no, but you can feel it. similarly, god exists, but our mundane eyes fail to see Him everywhere in everything we do.

What causes the planets in the universe to remain as they are? gravitational force of attraction... the force of God.

Krishna means the all attractive person and it is His force that sustains the whole universe!!

God lives within you in your heart. learn to love Him and he will show himself upon you!

Hare hare narayana!!

Namo namo srinivasa!!

[REASWARAN]

Ok so the universe was created by the big bang, but who created the big bang ?

[Guest guest]

God does not require to be created, because there was never a time when He was not existing. In addition, the universe has no creative powers, and so it cannot create anything or anyone.

 

Finally, God did not create the universe; Lord Brahma created the universe.

[Guest guest]

<< Finally, God did not create the universe; Lord Brahma created the universe. >>

 

yes, upon the direction of god.

 

" .. govinda aadi purusham tam aham bhajaami"

 

jai sri krishna! -madhav

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

HareKrishna!

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!I offer my respectful obesoances unto Him.

 

Which came first and how did GOD exist infinitly and where did you get the infinite energy?

 

First, I think we should try to define what is infinite. In the material world, everything has a birth and death date. This is the summary of materialism-that is-it has to end. What is the anti of end- that is infinitism.

 

It meanns that we are relating cosmos and creation to time.Because if we say "infinite" then it means that a particular thing or being should exist or sieze to exist with respect to time. So where is the infinite energy of GOD?

 

God is spiritual and Srila Prabhupada has said that there is no time existing in the spiritual platform-it is absolute. So the aspect of infinite energy does not take place. Ok.For a second let us assume that we are not this body-which means that we are spiritual-immediately we will not be tested by time which automaticaly means we will exist infinitely. Spiritual transactions are not bound by the dimension of time, only material objetcs are. So the in that case, the basic question does not exist-where did GOD's energy exist infinitly. There was no time it did not exist-menaing-literally there was NO TIME. In other words, the aspect of TIME is not there. So when we deal on the spiritual platform, one of the basic concepts is that Spiritualism is ABSOLUTE-stated differently-Spiritualism has no time aspect(no time cycles).

 

HareKrishna!

 

anand

[Guest guest]

Totally, agree. Time is only a dimension which even modern day physicts agree upon. It is not absolute and can be bent, even gone through. And time itself is a creation of God, so how can he be bound by it- he is beyond it. and time has a meaning only in respect to each of his creations.

[Tim]

When Conscious Bliss created the universe, it projected its own consciousness. In so doing, it assumed an infinity of points of awareness, like little reflections of sunlight scintillating in slivers of glass. The soul is individualized Spirit; in our true nature, therefore, we are bliss. Our egos are manifestations of that bliss. Because the ego’s attention is outward, however, it doesn’t often experience more than glimmers of bliss. Originally, there was only the Absolute Spirit. Stars, stardust, planets, oceans, continents, and all living beings were manifestations of that one consciousness. Surely, no other explanation is remotely plausible. From what else could anything have been created? There was only the Spirit’s consciousness. A simple way of explaining cosmic creation is to say God dreamed the universe.

[Guest guest]

the big bang probably did create the world we know now. but, who caused the big bang

 

god only. god caused the big bang, which in turn caused the creation of the world.

 

but there was a god before the big bang. life is ever present. who is to say that life as a human is the only way. i am a staunch believer of life on other planets. i dont believe that earth is the only populated planet out of trillions.

 

we must ask ourselves, is not our god who created us the same one who created people of other religions? and in that same sense, if there is life on other planets, who created that life if not god? not "their god." god is the essnese of all existance. our god created aliens.

 

i blieve that before humans were existant, there was other life and god existed then too. after humans are destroyed there will always be life and god will exist then too.

 

i know this may sound a little wacky, but we must really think about it. Just because it wasnt proven yet doesnt mean it is not true. for thousands of years humans went on the assumption that the world was flat, until it was proven.

 

assume the unassumed....for it may be proven true in the long run