The Opinion of a Jew

[Guest guest]

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oh and is that your learned researched opinion ?

[rudraksha]

i am kinda interested in Judaism now, u gave some nice descriptions of your religion and hopefully u can see past my former ignorance....i am starting to understand the way Judaism believes in loving God, i think u all have this jewish dude all wrong here, he was describing the Jewish way of loving God, through His commandments, "loving others is obeying God therefore loving God," in devotional hinduism (as it is on this forum) we place the same regard in our traditions but with alot of emphasis on our Deity Worship as a prime duty of dharma.....

 

shiva was truthful when he said in one of his posts:

 

"dharma or God's commandments are to Love Him and Humanity"

 

so what our doctrine says is u cannot have one without the other, and God Love sanctifies all actions automatically. not everyone who does good loves God u know......We dont believe people are actually "loving God" without worshiping Him as prime aspect of daily life, then we can go out with clean heart and help humanity in His name, that will show we truelly love God. without loving Him first, goodness is impartial and only builds up sattvic karma "good karma," which is not bad, but not eternal either.....

 

we believe in the heavenly planets where the good souls go who've lived a good life here on earth.....most religions follow a path set up by an ancient god from these planets, that does not mean they are the Eternal Vishnu or Shiva (i'm respecting both deities here cuz i currently worship the latter)....

 

In worshiping the Eternal One we can happily not worry about the endless struggle to uphold "righteousness" because we already are sancified by Sattva (pure goodness) by coming to the Lord first. Then and only then can we go out with joy and help the world, without worrying about the endless struggle for aquiring more good karma.....our karma is sancified and therefore no longer exists, only eternal service for the Lord exists.

 

Our concept of the "soul" is to serve God first. because our very essence of the soul is divine servant of the Lord. By serving God we are serving the whole material and spiritual cosmos.....Vaikuntha and Mount Kailash shall be our homes /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

in this prayer if u listen carefully this is why we want worship most of all to perfect our goodness!:

 

Namah Shiva Andranatha Chandranatha: great lord Shiva who has the splender of the moon and stars! rescue us from continual karma and rebirth, good and bad both are consuming our struggle for perfection!!! Through my worship of Your Spirit may You Take out the reactions of karma so that our goodness will be perfected forever, O Lord i come only unto You at this very moment and worship You only!

 

True Goodness or ParaSattva can only be acheived through Worship and Adoring the Supreme, who alone can sancify all actions, and remove all reactions of death,rebirth,karma....

 

i look forward to hearing from u again u r very enlightening.....

[rudraksha]

so u see Worship of God lets Him know that we Love Him and then He will gladly sanctify our goodness so that when we go out into the world, and help the needy, suffering, etc...we dont have to worry about the reactions of that work, only that we know God is protecting our souls from any negativity!

 

Remember u (our jewish brother) do not believe in reincarnation and karma but we do, so theres where we're different concerning cosmology, but many concepts are the same. in the Torah the first commandment i believe it says to worship and honor the lord above all else correct? u see that is also what we believe, and then the other commandments are sanctified because of the FIRST ONE AND MOST IMPORTANT ONE.....

 

U even said yourself that even if someone does a good deed they may not really mean it or do it for God's will and thus it will not be completely good. Remember how u kept talking of God's Will? So we believe the same, its like two different boats in the same ocean, only appearing different even though both are made out of same materials, its just like our religions, both appear different yet they are connected and made from the same source for different types of cultures....

 

let me speak on the negative actions though! No religious practice no matter what it may be, is protected from evil once they go back! the Supreme will banish the protection of karmic reactions once we fall back into what u would call sin, we call tamasic karma "the evil deeds".....

 

till next time be blessed......

[Sephiroth]

Discussing the form or shape of G-d is not that important to G-d. Worshipping G-d is not that important either, G-d does not need our sacrifice nor our flattery. We can indulge in these activities once, and ONLY ONCE we have learnt to respect other human beings, fed all our children and provided a peaceful environment for our family (hint: wife) and our community. Then, once all the work of the week is done, it is healthy to rest and to talk about G-d.

 

If Hindus look carefully, this system is similar to the Pyramid System where flow of responsiblity goes from lowest - Mother, then Father, the the Guru and finally upward to God (as the goal). Goal of Judaism is to live in peace in one's own society.

 

Christianity failed to follow Judaism because Christianity based on blind faith (to God). Anyone can claim he works for God and be regarded as Holy men, priest and such ... same condition India is plaqued now.

 

Islam failed to follow Judaism because Islam is based on Fanatism. Muslims day-dream too much about Heaven and its plessures and fear too much about damnation of Hell to live a proper lives.

[Sephiroth]

Remember u (our jewish brother) do not believe in reincarnation and karma but we do, so theres where we're different concerning cosmology, but many concepts are the same.

 

In the Torah, it is not mentioned about possibility (or deny) Reincarnation or Karma. Therefore, it is not possible for you to say they do not believe in Karma or reincarnation.

 

Judaism is about living live accordance to Laws set by Moses, NOT worry needlessly on whether you going to go to Heaven or Hell or what you going to get there.

[Guest guest]

You have said well, Shiv. Its all true. That why some Jews always bash against Christianity and Islam to mislead others so people will not see what tora is :

 

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what is the authority of the torah ?

 

why should we accept that as God's words any better

then anything else anyone says or writes ?

 

a case can be made that the torah(old testament)

is not Godly at all.

 

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army--the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds--who returned from the battle.

 

15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them.

 

16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people.

 

17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,

 

18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

(Numbers 31)

 

Ezekiel 9: 4-6

 

And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem....let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women...."

 

 

I Samuel 15:2-3

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [1] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, childrem and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"

 

 

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."

(Hosea 13:16)

18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,

19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.

20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate* and a drunkard."

21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

*completely given up to dissipation and licentiousness; wildly extravagant.(Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary) (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NIV

 

 

25 Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies.

26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, "Whoever is for the LORD, come to me." And all the Levites rallied to him.

27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'"

28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.

29 Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."

(Exodus 32:25-29 NIV)

 

 

"If anyone secretly entices you--even if it is your brother, your father's son or your mother's son, or your own son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend-- saying, "Let us go worship other gods" you must not yield to or heed any such persons. Show them no pity or compassion and do not shield them. But you shall surely KILL them; your own hand shall be first against them to execute them, and then the hand of all the people. Stone them to death for trying to turn you away from the Lord your God." Deut 13:6-10

 

 

i could go on all day,

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The Jewish books are full of these violent teachings. Jews always blame others so nobody will see.

[Sephiroth]

The Jewish books are full of these violent teachings. Jews always blame others so nobody will see.

 

Nonsense ... /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

As I said before ... there is no historical accounts and such records of massive genocide for the past 3,000 years in Arabic Penisula. ONLY accounts of genocide comes from Christians and Muslims for the past 1,400 years during the war against each others - a.k.a Crusades.

 

Also, we all know that Christians had modified their Bible to support Jesus as God. All this above statements taken from a Bible which itself is an Anti-Jews propaganda.

 

The Bible can be split into 6 timeline :

 

1. Genesis to Fall of Man.

2. Great Flood to Moses talking out the Hebrew out of Egypt (and setting down the Law of Moses).

3. Creation of Israel to John the Baptist.

4. Jesus - birth, life and death as a wall decoration. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

5. Jesus's resurrection and his "new" teachings.

6. St. Paul's teaching in making Jesus a God in order to pascify Greeks to accept Christianity.

 

From timeline 1 to 2, you can say there is no much modification done.

 

Timeline 3 is modified to add prophecies of coming of Jesus and also, strenghtening the Original Sin Concept (which was unheard of during timeline 1 and 2).

 

Timeline 4 is not required to explaination. Jesus came, act like a man, died like a man and Christians (who betray him in his time) made him a God.

 

Timeline 5 - Concept of Original Sin is strengthened by stating Jesus died for their sins and therefore, they are free if they believe in him. Those who reject him (as Jews did) are still living with the sin and living a life like animals.

 

And just like what Muslims tries to potray Hindus as idol worshipping sinners, who commit adultery, eat things unclean and commit all sort of sinful activities, so did Christians potray Jews.

 

Timeline 6 - Jesus blown into a full-time God, just like the mythological figures of Greek Gods and Goddesses who has sons and daughters with men and with Gods.

 

 

So, there at least 3 modification - one before Jesus, one during Jesus's time and one after Jesus died; all strengthening Jesus as a God and concept of Original Sin. Don't be fooled by foolish men and their writings.

[Sephiroth]

The reason is the following, in Judaism and Christianism, there are two types of sins: Sins against G-d and sins against others. G-d always forgives sins against Himself, but G-d is not capacitated to forgive sins against others, only the victims have the right to forgive sins committed against them. This is because G-d abhorres sins committed against others and wants us to repent and apologize.

 

This is one of the main difference in approach to God between Judaism and Christianity/Islam.

 

In Judaism, sins against Men (by fellow Men) is only forgivable by others who wrong them, unless in some cases such as the person who wronged against, is dead, that way, the person who done the wrongdoings can pray to God as medium to seek forgiveness.

 

In Christianity, whatever a person does to another is forgiven as long the doer goes to a Church and confess his sins. Whatever happens to the victim (whether the victim forgives the doer or not is not important).

 

Same thing in Islam, all a person have to do is knelt and pray, promising God he will not do the sinful actions again and he is forgiven - which includes rape, murder, theft etc. The emotions of the victim is not counted because the doer already ask forgiveness for God.

[Guest guest]

Do jews eat meat?? MOst of them anyways except on certain special occasions. Do they believe they will get bad karma from eating meat?

[Sephiroth]

Do jews eat meat?? MOst of them anyways except on certain special occasions. Do they believe they will get bad karma from eating meat?

 

Yeah, Jews eat meat but it's practise is similar to Islam (they stole the practise from Jews). There is clean meat and unclean meat - pig meat is unclean, so is snake, some birds like vulture, eagles etc which eat other animals.

 

Basic for consumble meat is - animal must not eat another animal in order for us to consume it. The animal which is clean mostly comes from those which eat vegetables and green plants.

 

Well, Jews can be excused because they are from the desert and vegetables and plants are not easily to find, so animal meats are substituted. In modern times, some modern Jews do practise Vegetarianism, since it is not against the teachings.

 

As for bad karma for killing an animal for consumation, I don't think Jews believe such. Like I said before, animal meat is allowed because Jews comes from the desert. As long as an animal killed in a proper procedure and for consumation according to the Laws, it is not sin. Killing an animal for sports is not a practice of Jews, but Jews do hunt.