Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Following the Path of the Gopis Dallas, 30 July, 1975 Dear J...: Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated July 21, 1975 and have noted the contents. It is a very good sign that although you are not happy now you know it is only because you are not in the company of Krishna and the devotees. It is true that in the past there was some mismanagement in our Honolulu temple, but I was there recently, and it is nicely organized. But, since you have moved to San Francisco, I advise you to go there to our very nice temple in Berkeley. All the things you say you are yearning for are there. Radha Krishna are being worshipped, and there are many devotees there. So I am sure that if you go there and join with the devotees, all your problems will be solved, Krishna Consciousness is so nice. As for your desire to follow the path of the gopis, that can only be done by following the rules and regulations of devotional service in the association of devotees. Once you have joined the temple, then we can see about Deity worship. I hope this meets you in good health. Your ever well wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 The letter is personal and circumstancial. Following the path of the gopis is the sweetest part of ragAnuga bhakti. atha raganuga-lakZaNaM nijAbhimata-vraja-rAja-nandanasya sevA prApti-lobhena yadi tAni kriyante tadA rAgAnuga bhaktiH; yad uktam sevA sAdhaka-rUpeNa siddha-rupeNa cAtra hi tad bhAva-lipsunA kAryA vraja-lokAnusArataH kRSNaM smaran janaM cAsya preZThaM nija-samihitam tat-tat-kathA rataS cAsau kuryAd vAsaM vraje sadA Raganuga-bhakti is performed in two ways: (1) with the sadhaka-rupa with the external body through execution of the limbs of bhakti; and (2) with the siddha-rupa, with the internally conceived body that is suitable for carrying out the perfected service ( prema-seva) for which one aspires. Residing in Vraja with an intense desire to obtain one’s cherished object Sri Krsna and the divine sentiments of His beloved associates (that is, rati towards Sri Krsna), one should follow in the footsteps of the eternal residents of Vraja, the dear associates of Sri Krsna, such as Sri Radhika, Lalita, ViSakha and Sri Rupa Manjari. One should also adhere to personalities such as Sri Rupa Gosvami and Sanatana Gosvami who performed bhajana in Vraja in pursuance of the sentiments of those eternal associates. With one’s internally conceived body ( siddha-rupa) one should execute service within the mind ( manasi-seva) in accordance with the eternal associates of Vraja such as Sri Radha, Lalita, ViSakha and Sri Rupa Manjari. With the external body ( sadhaka-rupa) one should carry out bodily services following in the wake of perfectly realised devotees such as Sri Rupa and Sanatana who are also residents of Vraja. sevA sAdhaka-rUpeNa siddha-rupeNa cAtra hi (from Gurudeva's translation and commentaries to Bhakti RasAmRta Sindhu Bindu) in the service of guru and vaiSnavas anadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 If someone raises the objection that the word vraja-loka refers only to Sri Radha, Lalita and others, it would then follow that with the sadhaka-deha (the external body) one should perform bodily services following in their wake. If this indeed were the case, then the followers of those eternal associates would not be required to carry out the limbs of bhakti such as taking shelter of a spiritual master, observance of Ekadaci, worship of Salagrama, worship of tulasi and so on, since it is not mentioned anywhere that Sri Radha and Lalita ever performed such activities. However, this erroneous conclusion ( apasiddhanta) held by sceptics who have taken shelter of modern adverse opinions is actually refuted by the word vrajaloka. In his commentary to this verse of Bhakti-rasamRta-sindhu (1.2.295), Srila Jiva Gosvamipada has explained the same thing; namely, that the word vraja-loka refers to the dearmost associates of Sri kRSNa and their followers such as sri Rupa Gosvami and others. Therefore one should perform internal service ( manasi- seva ) through the medium of the siddha-deha by following inaccordance with Sri Rupa Manjari and other Vrajavasis. With the sadhaka-deha one should perform bodily service by following Sri Rupa Gosvami and others. (same source as above) anadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Anadi, But there are so many Gurudevas. Let us glorify his name. gHari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I was talking about my gurudeva om viSnupada paramAhaMsa Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja. Thank you for apreciating him. atha raganuga-lakZaNaM nijAbhimata-vraja-rAja-nandanasya sevA prApti-lobhena yadi tAni kriyante tadA rAgAnuga bhaktiH; yad uktam Practicing the angas of bhakti with the intense intense longing to obtain the service of one's innermost desired object of love Krishna in His feature as resident of Vraja, namely the vraja-rAja is called raganunga bhakti. yours respectfully anadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 According to the conclusion of the Six Gosvamis, Srila Kaviraja Gosvami and other rasika VaiSNava acaryas, the lila-rasa of Vrajendra-nandana Sri kRSNa is the object to be tasted by raganuga-sadhakas. But it is not possible to taste the lila-rasa of Sri KRSNa without entering into Sri gaura-lila. In other words only through the medium of gaura-lila is it possible to taste the lila-rasa of Sri KRSNa. In Cri Caitanya-caritamRta( Madhya-lila25.271, 274) Srila Kaviraja Gosvami has stated this as follows: kRSNa-lila amRta-sara, tara cata cata dhara daca-dike vahe yaha haite se caitanya-lila haya, sarovara akSaya mano-haMsa caraha’ tahate The pastimes of Sri KRSNa are the essence of all transcendental nectar. These nectarean pastimes flow in hundreds and hundreds of streams, inundating the ten directions. The pastimes of Sri Caitanya are an imperishable reservoir of nectar, saturated with the pastimes of KRSNa. O swanlike mind, please wander on this transcendental lake. nana-bhavera bhakta-jana, haMsa-cakravaka-gaNa yate sabe’ karena vihara kRSNa-keli sumRNala, yaha pai sarva-kala bhakta-haMsa karaye ahara The devotees situated in various transcendental moods are like swans and cakravaka birds who play upon the transcendental lake of KRSNa’s pastimes. The sweet bulbs of the stalks of lotus flowers are the sportive amorous pastimes of Sri KRSNa. Cri KRSNa eternally enacts such pastimes and, consequently, they are the foodstuff for the swanlike devotees who have taken shelter of Sri Gaurasundara, who is the eternal embodiment of vipralambha-rasa and identical in form to Sri KRSNa, the eternal embodiment of sambhoga-rasa. (commentary from the same book by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 In his book Prarthana (13) Srila Narottama Thakura has similarly written: gaura-prema rasarNave se taraNge yeba Dube se radha-madhava-antaraNga Gaura-prema is an ocean of rasa. Those who submerge themselves in the waves of that ocean emerge in the waves of the confidential and intimate service of Radha-Madhava. Srila Kaviraja Gosvami and Srila Narottama Thakura have composed the above verses for the benefit of raganuga-sadhakas. Therefore raganuga-sadhakas should taste kRSNa-lila through the medium of gaura-lila. Consequently, it is essential for sadhakas to remember gaura-lila and to follow the eternal associates of Sri Caitanya. Since it is necessary to follow the gaura-parikaras, it is certainly imperative that one observe the limbs of bhakti ( gurupadaSraya, ekadaSi-vrata, tulasi-seva, Sri Salagrama-seva and so on) that were practised by the foremost associates such as Srila Rupa Gosvami and others. There is no doubt about this. (commentary from the same book by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Sri Rupa Gosvami, who is an eternal associate of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, serves Sri Radha-KRSNa as Sri Rupa Manjari in kRSNa lila. Sri Rupa Manjari, appearing as Srila Rupa Gosvami with the attitude of a sadhaka, weeps again and again and prays anxiously to obtain the service of Sri Yugala. Sometimes, while praying in this way, he would become so deeply immersed in the emotional trance of Rupa Manjari that he would taste the happiness of direct service. Therefore raganuga-sadhakas must certainly follow Sri Rupa-Sanatana and other gosvamis. Opposed to this are those who vainly consider themselves as rasika-sadhakas but who do not adopt the limbs of bhakti, such as guru-padaSraya and ekadaSi vrata. They can never obtain the service of Sri Yugala. (commentary from the same book by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 This subject is extremely deep. Without the mercy of Sri Gurudeva or pure rasika devotees, the sAdhaka cannot conceive of his siddha-deha (perfected spiritual body). Therefore the contemplation of one’s nitya-siddha-deha arises of its own accord only by the merciful indication of Sri Gurudeva . By continual remembrance of aSTa-kAlIya-lIlA(the pastimes of KRSNa performed in eight divisions of the day), performed internally ( mAnasI-sevA) with the nitya-siddha-deha, one obtains svarUpa-siddhi (perception of one’s eternal perfected form, which occurs at the stage of bhAva-bhakti) and ultimately vastu-siddhi. Vastu-siddhi is attained after giving up this body and taking birth in KRSNa’s bhauma-lIlA from the womb of a gopI. (After attaining that last body, and) After attaining the association of KRSNa’s eternal associates and being purified of all final traces of material identification, when prema is intensified, one attains vastu-siddhi. (and that body becomes totally spiritualized, this is the meaning in Srimad Bhagavatam when it is said that the sadhana siddha gopis gave up their (material) bodies, they don't die. One does not die, which is most inauspicious, at the most auspicious festival of Vraja raja Sri kRSNa. When they were called by the venunAda to the most auspicious festival of all the worlds, they gave up the last attachements to external dharma, and by that their bodies became totally spiritualized, and in that body they can perform the most auspicious rasa dance.) (commentary from the same book by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja, with added commentary from Srila Bhaktivedanta Aranya Maharaja) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 But one should always bear in mind that not everyone has the eligibility to perform yugala-seva by meditating in this way on Their supramundane ( aprakRta) daily pastimes. This practice must be concealed very diligently. One should not disclose these pastimes to ineligible persons. Until genuine greed to enter into the raga-marga arises in the heart of the jiva bound by matter, this subject should be kept hidden from him. One remains ineligible to hear the confidential pastimes of Sri Yugala, which are saturated with rasa, as long as the conception of the transcendental nature of the Lord’s name, form, qualities and pastimes has not implanted itself in the heart. In other words one should understand that the name, form, qualities and pastimes of Sri KRSNa are fully constituted of pure spiritual transcendence ( Suddha-cinmaya-svarupa). When ineligible persons hear or study these pastimes they recall only the illusory and mundane association of men and women and are thus compelled to fall down. Thus they sink down into the muck of debauchery. Therefore judicious students, proceeding cautiously, may enter into this lila after having obtained the appropriate impressions ( saMskaras ) for aprakRta-SRNgara-rasa. (commentary from the same book by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 The fundamental conclusion is that only upon obtaining the aforementioned eligibility can the sadhaka undertake the discipline of raganuga-bhakti. By following this method of sadhana while still plagued with anarthas and without the appearance of genuine greed, the opposite effect will be produced. When genuine greed for vraja-bhajana arises, one should first of all take shelter of a dear devotee of Sri Gaurasundara, that Lord who is identical in every respect to Sri Vrajendra-nandana. The beloved devotees of Sri Caitanya will instruct us on the path of raganuga-sadhana in accordance with our eligibility. Otherwise, if one falls into bad association and by ill advice imitates the bhajana practices of those on the highest level of eligibility, then under the guise of adopting one’s siddha-deha one will incur only a harmful effect. (commentary from the same book by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagat Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Just don't. That's all. Don't do it. Rupa Goswami warns not to. See Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu 1.2.239. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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