Do muslim worship moon god?

[Guest guest]

I've seen Muslim relying much on lunar calendar

They start to fast when seeing the moon.

They seem to worship Moon!

[Guest guest]

we hindus dont mind it.

 

the problem we see with islam is that

while a few muslims try to convince us - the tolerant and non violent - that islam is a religion of peace, (and they never convince it to the bin ladin and party), and many others slaughter kafirs and destroy their temples.

we hindus have suffered from islam the most of any other people of the world, and that for 1000 years. no more islam on the vedic land.

 

jai sri krishna! -madhav

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Muslim do not worship moon god. They have only one god whom they address "Allah" ( arabic term for GOD). He is the incharge of all three acts (creation, protection and demolition). For Muslims' god no idol, piture, stone anything. They are totally contrary to us.

[Guest guest]

... and what about the Ka'abbah ?! Turning around the black square in Saudi Arabia isn't it like worshipping in front of a picture or a statue ? Same for touching the stone ?

 

Human beings seems to need representation of the Supreme Reality to remember God. I find it extremely distractive.

[barney]

Yes, they do by using the crescent moon as their symbol of Islam. Shiva is also know as Chandra Shekara and what is whithin the Kaaba is the Shiva Lingga which was the main diety of the Pre Islamic vedic religion of Mohammad's father and his people. And the meaning of Allah according to Imaam Maalik is Ársh', he answered 'Being above (Istawaa) is known but the reality is unknown and - questioning that - is innovation.' Jaaluddin Suyyuti also comments on the Aayat saying, 'Istawaa (being above) according to whatever is appropriate for Allah. (Jalaalayn vol. 2 p. 260).

 

However, the verse does not speak about the Zaat of Allah Taãla being on the Ársh but it is to indicate the establishment and control of the Kingdom of

Allah by Himself.

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry, no offence, by I really do not understand yur last post (the lingo that is). Do you mean that the Kaaba existed prior to Islam and that worshipping was done there ? Can you please explain more in laymen terms :-) Thanks.

 

By rhe way, your posts are very informative; I do enjoy reading them.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, no offence, by I really do not understand yur last post (the lingo that is). Do you mean that the Kaaba existed prior to Islam and that worshipping was done there ? Can you please explain more in laymen terms :-) Thanks.

 

By the way, your posts are very informative; I do enjoy reading them.

[barney]

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?

By P.N. Oak (Historian)

 

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

 

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:

 

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."

 

For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:

 

"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".

 

(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).

 

[Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]

 

A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:

 

That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.

 

That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.

 

That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.

 

An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.

 

Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.

 

In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.

 

The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after prophet Mohammad’s times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid’s times.

 

Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid’s court, has compiled and edited the anthology.

 

The first modern edition of ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.

 

The collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual haj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.

 

But the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions were widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Siva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Siva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.

 

Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?

 

A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.

 

As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets.

 

The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Siva emblem, is known as the Kaaba. It is clothed in a black shroud. That custom also originates from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.

 

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed, was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon.

 

In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.

 

Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).

 

[Note: Even today, Muslim pilgrims who go to the Kaaba for Haj regard this Zam-Zam water with reverence and take some bottled water with them as sacred water.]

 

Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.

 

The practice of taking seven steps- known as Saptapadi in Sanskrit- is associated with Hindu marriage ceremony and fire worship. The culminating rite in a Hindu marriage enjoins upon the bride and groom to go round the sacred fire four times (but misunderstood by many as seven times). Since "Makha" means fire, the seven circumambulations also prove that Mecca was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia.

 

It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.

 

One Koranic verse is an exact translation of a stanza in the Yajurveda. This was pointed out by the great research scholar Pandit Satavlekar of Pardi in one of his articles.

 

[Note: Another scholar points out that the following teaching from the Koran is exactly similar to the teaching of the Kena Upanishad (1.7).

 

The Koran:

 

"Sight perceives Him not. But He perceives men's sights; for He is the knower of secrets , the Aware."

 

Kena Upanishad:

 

"That which cannot be seen by the eye but through which the eye itself sees, know That to be Brahman (God) and not what people worship here (in the manifested world)."

 

A simplified meaning of both the above verses reads:

 

God is one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.]

 

The identity of Unani and Ayurvedic systems shows that Unani is just the Arabic term for the Ayurvedic system of healing taught to them and administered in Arabia when Arabia formed part of the Indian empire.

 

It will now be easy to comprehend the various Hindu customs still prevailing in West Asian countries even after the existence of Islam during the last 1300 years. Let us review some Hindu traditions which exist as the core of Islamic practice.

 

The Hindus have a pantheon of 33 gods. People in Asia Minor too worshipped 33 gods before the spread of Islam. The lunar calendar was introduced in West Asia during the Indian rule. The Muslim month ‘Safar’ signifying the ‘extra’ month (Adhik Maas) in the Hindu calendar. The Muslim month Rabi is the corrupt form of Ravi meaning the sun because Sanskrit ‘V’ changes into Prakrit ‘B’ (Prakrit being the popular version of Sanskrit language). The Muslim sanctity for Gyrahwi Sharif is nothing but the Hindu Ekadashi (Gyrah = elevan or Gyaarah). Both are identical in meaning.

 

The Islamic practice of Bakari Eed derives from the Go-Medh and Ashva-Medh Yagnas or sacrifices of Vedic times. Eed in Sanskrit means worship. The Islamic word Eed for festive days, signifying days of worship, is therefore a pure Sanskrit word. The word MESH in the Hindu zodiac signifies a lamb. Since in ancient times the year used to begin with the entry of the sun in Aries, the occasion was celebrated with mutton feasting. That is the origin of the Bakari Eed festival.

 

[Note: The word Bakari is an Indian language word for a goat.]

 

Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term. Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.

 

Vedic descriptions about the moon, the different stellar constellations and the creation of the universe have been incorporated from the Vedas in Koran part 1 chapter 2, stanza 113, 114, 115, and 158, 189, chapter 9, stanza 37 and chapter 10, stanzas 4 to 7.

 

Recital of the Namaz five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna) which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals.

 

Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers. This derives from the Vedic injuction ‘Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah’.

 

Four months of the year are regarded as very sacred in Islamic custom. The devout are enjoined to abstain from plunder and other evil deeds during that period. This originates in the Chaturmasa i.e., the four-month period of special vows and austerities in Hindu tradition. Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Vrat and Shiva Ratra. Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat.

 

Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita.

 

According to extant Islamic records, Indian merchants had settled in Arabia, particularly in Yemen, and their life and manners deeply influenced those who came in touch with them. At Ubla there was a large number of Indian settlements. This shows that Indians were in Arabia and Yemen in sufficient strength and commanding position to be able to influence the local people. This could not be possible unless they belonged to the ruling class.

 

It is mentioned in the Abadis i.e., the authentic traditions of Prophet Mohammad compiled by Imam Bukhari that the Indian tribe of Jats had settled in Arabia before Prophet Mohammad’s times. Once when Hazrat Ayesha, wife of the Prophet, was taken ill, her nephew sent for a Jat physician for her treatment. This proves that Indians enjoyed a high and esteemed status in Arabia. Such a status could not be theirs unless they were the rulers. Bukhari also tells us that an Indian Raja (king) sent a jar of ginger pickles to the Prophet. This shows that the Indian Jat Raja ruled an adjacent area so as to be in a position to send such an insignificant present as ginger pickles. The Prophet is said to have so highly relished it as to have told his colleagues also to partake of it. These references show that even during Prophet Mohammad’s times Indians retained their influential role in Arabia, which was a dwindling legacy from Vikramaditya’s times.

 

The Islamic term ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ derives from the ‘Eed of Piters’ that is worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition. In India, Hindus commemorate their ancestors during the Pitr-Paksha that is the fortnight reserved for their remembrance. The very same is the significance of ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ (worship of forefathers).

 

The Islamic practice of observing the moon rise before deciding on celebrating the occasion derives from the Hindu custom of breaking fast on Sankranti and Vinayaki Chaturthi only after sighting the moon.

 

Barah Vafat, the Muslim festival for commemorating those dead in battle or by weapons, derives from a similar Sanskrit tradition because in Sanskrit ‘Phiphaut’ is ‘death’. Hindus observe Chayal Chaturdashi in memory of those who have died in battle.

 

The word Arabia is itself the abbreviation of a Sanskrit word. The original word is ‘Arabasthan’. Since Prakrit ‘B’ is Sanskrit ‘V’ the original Sanskrit name of the land is ‘Arvasthan’. ‘Arva’ in Sanskrit means a horse. Arvasthan signifies a land of horses., and as well all know, Arabia is famous for its horses.

 

This discovery changes the entire complexion of the history of ancient India. Firstly we may have to revise our concepts about the king who had the largest empire in history. It could be that the expanse of king Vikramaditya’s empire was greater than that of all others. Secondly, the idea that the Indian empire spread only to the east and not in the west beyond say, Afghanisthan may have to be abandoned. Thirdly the effeminate and pathetic belief that India, unlike any other country in the world could by some age spread her benign and beatific cultural influence, language, customs, manners and education over distant lands without militarily conquering them is baseless. India did conquer all those countries physically wherever traces of its culture and language are still extant and the region extended from Bali island in the south Pacific to the Baltic in Northern Europe and from Korea to Kaaba. The only difference was that while Indian rulers identified themselves with the local population and established welfare states, Moghuls and others who ruled conquered lands perpetuated untold atrocities over the vanquished.

 

‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ tells us that a pan-Arabic poetic symposium used to be held in Mecca at the annual Okaj fair in pre-Islamic times. All leading poets used to participate in it.

 

Poems considered best were awarded prizes. The best-engraved on gold plate were hung inside the temple. Others etched on camel or goatskin were hung outside. Thus for thousands of years the Kaaba was the treasure house of the best Arabian poetic thought inspired by the Indian Vedic tradition.

 

That tradition being of immemorial antiquity many poetic compositions were engraved and hung inside and outside on the walls of the Kaaba. But most of the poems got lost and destroyed during the storming of the Kaaba by Prophet Mohammad’s troops. The Prophet’s court poet, Hassan-bin-Sawik, who was among the invaders, captured some of the treasured poems and dumped the gold plate on which they were inscribed in his own home. Sawik’s grandson, hoping to earn a reward carried those gold plates to Khalif’s court where he met the well-known Arab scholar Abu Amir Asamai. The latter received from the bearer five gold plates and 16 leather sheets with the prize-winning poems engraved on them. The bearer was sent away happy bestowed with a good reward.

 

On the five gold plates were inscribed verses by ancient Arab poets like Labi Baynay, Akhatab-bin-Turfa and Jarrham Bintoi. That discovery made Harun-al-Rashid order Abu Amir to compile a collection of all earlier compositions. One of the compositions in the collection is a tribute in verse paid by Jarrham Bintoi, a renowned Arab poet, to king Vikramaditya. Bintoi who lived 165 years before Prophet Mohammad had received the highest award for the best poetic compositions for three years in succession in the pan-Arabic symposiums held in Mecca every year. All those three poems of Bintoi adjudged best were hung inside the Kaaba temple, inscribed on gold plates. One of these constituted an unreserved tribute to King Vikramaditya for his paternal and filial rule over Arabia. That has already been quoted above.

 

Pre-Islamic Arabian poet Bintoi’s tribute to king Vikramaditya is a decisive evidence that it was king Vikramaditya who first conquered the Arabian Peninsula and made it a part of the Indian Empire. This explains why starting from India towards the west we have all Sanskrit names like Afghanisthan (now Afghanistan), Baluchisthan, Kurdisthan, Tajikiathan, Uzbekisthan, Iran, Sivisthan, Iraq, Arvasthan, Turkesthan (Turkmenisthan) etc.

 

Historians have blundered in not giving due weight to the evidence provided by Sanskrit names pervading over the entire west Asian region. Let us take a contemporary instance. Why did a part of India get named Nagaland even after the end of British rule over India? After all historical traces are wiped out of human memory, will a future age historian be wrong if he concludes from the name Nagaland that the British or some English speaking power must have ruled over India? Why is Portuguese spoken in Goa (part of India), and French in Pondichery (part of India), and both French and English in Canada? Is it not because those people ruled over the territories where their languages are spoken? Can we not then justly conclude that wherever traces of Sanskrit names and traditions exist Indians once held sway? It is unfortunate that this important piece of decisive evidence has been ignored all these centuries.

 

Another question which should have presented itself to historians for consideration is how could it be that Indian empires could extend in the east as far as Korea and Japan, while not being able to make headway beyond Afghanisthan? In fact land campaigns are much easier to conduct than by sea. It was the Indians who ruled the entire West Asian region from Karachi to Hedjaz and who gave Sanskrit names to those lands and the towns therein, introduce their pantheon of the fire-worship, imparted education and established law and order.

 

It may be that Arabia itself was not part of the Indian empire until king Vikrama , since Bintoi says that it was king Vikrama who for the first time brought about a radical change in the social, cultural and political life of Arabia. It may be that the whole of West Asia except Arabia was under Indian rule before Vikrama. The latter added Arabia too to the Indian Empire. Or as a remote possibility it could be that king Vikramaditya himself conducted a series of brilliant campaigns annexing to his empire the vast region between Afghanisthan and Hedjaz.

 

Incidentally this also explains why king Vikramaditya is so famous in history. Apart from the nobility and truthfulness of heart and his impartial filial affection for all his subjects, whether Indian or Arab, as testified by Bintoi, king Vikramaditya has been permanently enshrined in the pages of history because he was the world’s greatest ruler having the largest empire. It should be remembered that only a monarch with a vast empire gets famous in world history. Vikram Samvat (calendar still widely in use in India today) which he initiated over 2000 years ago may well mark his victory over Arabia, and the so called Kutub Minar (Kutub Tower in Delhi), a pillar commemorating that victory and the consequential marriage with the Vaihika (Balkh) princess as testified by the nearby iron pillar inscription.

 

A great many puzzles of ancient world history get automatically solved by a proper understanding of these great conquests of king Vikramaditya. As recorded by the Arab poet Bintoi, Indian scholars, preachers and social workers spread the fire-worship ceremony, preached the Vedic way of life, manned schools, set up Ayurvedic (healing) centres, trained the local people in irrigation and agriculture and established in those regions a democratic, orderly, peaceful, enlightened and religious way of life. That was of course, a Vedic Hindu way of life.

 

It is from such ancient times that Indian Kshtriya royal families, like the Pahalvis and Barmaks, have held sway over Iran and Iraq. It is those conquests, which made the Parsees Agnihotris i.e., fire-worshippers. It is therefore that we find the Kurds of Kurdisthan speaking a Sanskritised dialect, fire temples existing thousands of miles away from India, and scores of sites of ancient Indian cultural centres like Navbahar in West Asia and the numerous viharas in Soviet Russia spread throughout the world. Ever since so many viharas are often dug up in Soviet Russia, ancient Indian sculptures are also found in excavations in Central Asia. The same goes for West Asia.

 

[Note: Ancient Indian sculptures include metal statues of the Hindu deity Ganesh (the elephant headed god); the most recent find being in Kuwait].

 

Unfortunately these chapters of world history have been almost obliterated from public memory. They need to be carefully deciphered and rewritten. When these chapters are rewritten they might change the entire concept and orientation of ancient history.

 

In view of the overwhelming evidence led above, historians, scholars, students of history and lay men alike should take note that they had better revise their text books of ancient world history. The existence of Hindu customs, shrines, Sanskrit names of whole regions, countries and towns and the Vikramaditya inscriptions reproduced at the beginning are a thumping proof that Indian Kshatriyas once ruled over the vast region from Bali to Baltic and Korea to Kaaba in Mecca, Arabia at the very least.

 

 

[maadhav]

<< In view of the overwhelming evidence led above, historians, scholars, students of history and lay men alike should take note that they had better revise their text books of ancient world history. The existence of Hindu customs, shrines, Sanskrit names of whole regions, countries and towns and the Vikramaditya inscriptions reproduced at the beginning are a thumping proof that Indian Kshatriyas once ruled over the vast region from Bali to Baltic and Korea to Kaaba in Mecca, Arabia at the very least. >>

 

very good! Thanks barney!

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Great! Thank you very much Barney. As always, your posts are really good and informative. I am learning a lot. Thank you.

[barney]

I do what I can to help promote Hinduism and at the same time help myself to learn to be a better Hindu.

[Guest guest]

Barney can assist the current Indian government to re-write the fasle and fake history of India but better Barney not poke his nose in re-writing the World History.

 

The mannerless behaviour of Hinduism treat stones, animals, sun, moon and plants and nearly everything as GOD. But, can that right to worship, allow them to claim "property rights" for everything they worship?

 

For your information, Muslims worship the Kaaba for it being the first mosque for the Muslims in the world. Islamic History claims that.

 

If the Kaba belongs to Hindus, why none of the Hindus claimed it so far? Hindus can very well can to go to international court with "proofs and evidences"?

 

Will they?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well done guest!

In India, few communalist minded Hindus have already started claiming exisiting mosques built by Muslims as their. They claimed Babbri masque as their, as a result they demolished..and the case is in the court..

 

Without having any proof (Birth certificate!) for their claim that Lord Rama born in Ayodhya, they are afraid to face the court. They send peace brokers to persuade Indian Muslims to give up their right on the mosque.

 

 

 

[barney]

[but, can that right to worship, allow them to claim "property rights" for everything they worship]

 

The Hindus are not claiming property rights but the original rights. You have been misguided by false preaching. Who gave the Muslims[Mogul]right to invade India? If today India invade the Muslim nations would the UN close its eye? Just because there was no controlling body in the world during the 8th or 9th century Muslim leaders invaded the neighbouring countries without mercy. Surely it is the Hindus right to claim what is rightfully theirs as India is a republic. I don't think it is wrong but as most Hindus are very cordial and open minded, they had forgiven and forgotten the atrocities committed my the Muslim invaders but there are some hardline Hindus who cannot forget or forgive the barbaric Muslims who had demolished Hindu temples and errected Mosque upon them. So, I feel it is their right to claim what was forcefully taken away from them. If the present Muslims want to built a new Mosgue elsewhere than they could apply for such in replacemnt for the demolished mosque.

 

As for the Kaaba no Hindus have claimed that the Kaaba is theirs but the prove is there that once the Kaaba was a Shiva temple and we as Hindus are proud that Mohammed's father was a Hindu once and became a convert after his son founded a new religion called Islam which religion assimilated most of the Jewish and Hindu scriptures..

[Guest guest]

Lord Rama was born in Ayodhya as the Ramayana says, which was long before your Koran even existed. It's common knowledge that the Mughals tried their best to destroy Hinduism in India and destroying temples and putting up mosques in their place was a way for them to feel superior. But when their babri masjid fell, nothing could be done to save it. Muslims are even afraid to say "Allah willed it".

 

As for the Kaaba, I do not believe it was a Hindu temple, but it was in the pre-islamic pagan religion on Arabia. As we know muslims like to destroy historical evidence, which they did for the pre-islamic religion of Arabia, but as people are aware of this it puts the muslims in a very embarassing position.

[Guest guest]

we do not worship the moon in any form or shape, we only worship one exsistance, one god. but however we belive when there is an eclipse the moon is in danger and it is being harmed, we belive that the cause or the out come of an eclipse will lead to a bad event.

 

ive read though this formun and have noticed that this forum is only set up for you pple to slag us off, one says that he/she is trying to be a better hindu, being a better hindu is not about slaging other religions off, well thats my opinion, i am a muslim and learning all the time about my religion and i have to say that i am very proud of my religion, yes there are some ppl in this society that bring our peacfull religion to shame and take hidding under islams name,

 

our prohet said that if you let one believe they will let you beleive, so why do we have so much hatered for each other, at the end of the day yes we believe in different god but why do we have to have blood shed.

 

hindus have a problem with islam, and islam has a problem with jews, but why????? can we not all live under the same roof.

 

you can not blam one faith for every trouble we are in, its not the faith is our uneducated and vile human nature that we get our selfs into this mess so why do we end up blaming faith for our problems and troubles.

 

this forum is only a one sided opinon, im sorry if i have offended anyone i truley did not mean to.

 

allah hafiz

[Guest guest]

<<hindus have a problem with islam, and islam has a problem with jews, but why????? can we not all live under the same roof.>>

 

I'll make it easy for you why there is a problem.

 

Reasons Hindus & Muslims don't get on

 

1. The Mughal rule of India tried to destroy Hinduism. It has left alot of distrust and suspicion. There are still muslims who want to destroy Hinduism.

2. Conversion tactics by muslims to convert Hindus to Islam.

3. Muslims calling Hinduism a false religion is very offensive to the Hindus, especially sisnce muslims don't understand it.

4. Muslims wanting non-muslims to learn Islam, but not willing to learn about other religions (including Hinduism).

5. Accusations of Hindus being polytheists, even when Hindus explain it is not so.

6. Islamic websites spreading false information about Hinduism (like the one posted on another thread) and the muslims who made it talking as if they know what they are talking about.

7. The Koran (and Hadiths) speaking ill of non-muslims (kafirs) and those who worship God through images (idol worshippers) - are destined to hell. Hindus fall in this category, so they are the main target.

 

By the way, we all worship ONE God, which we believe is the same God, but the concepts and ideas of God is different. That's what causes the problem.

 

 

[Guest guest]

im sorry that ppl feel this way, just because of a small minority, why are you blaming all muslims, this is the 21st century cumon u gotta move on, i dnt reallly knw where this forum is held and where your from just like to say im a british asian muslim from london.

 

its the young generation that has to get along, if everybody tries to look forward and not back it would help, id just like to say nearly 90% of all my friends are hindus and non muslims, but why dose religion have to effect out why we approach others.

[Guest guest]

I'm not blaming all muslims, but alot are like that. The main problem today is conversion tactics muslims use and the false information they spread about Hinduism as well as the insults they give (even in the 21st century). If they wanted peace with Hindus they surely wouldn't do this.

 

I think this site is held in the US. I'm a UK born and bred Hindu from London. I know there is problems all over the world with muslims and other faiths, but I think if muslims drop the hatred, the rest will follow and it would ease the situation, improve relations, etc. But because of the past (and present) there's alot of distrust.

[barney]

Dear Guest,

 

I'm sorry that you are hurt by the slander of Islam in this forum but did you visit the Muslim fanatic forums? You should and than you will know why this is happening here. The whole problem is Islam is against all other belief and now they are trying all means to convert the whole world. I know there are some good moderate Muslims who are sympathic towards non Muslims but they cannot help in any way coz they fear the fatwa in Islam. The whole problem lieds with the spread of Islam by force during the early centuries. The atrocities committed by the early Muslim invaders in countries like Afghanistan, Persia now known as Iran and India. Due to their invation now India has lost a territory now known as Pakistan.

 

Why do you think the Hindus hate the religion so much. Infact Hindus are the who believe all religions lead to the same path of godhead but with different approach. Now, does Islam believe the same? No, they believe that only Islam is the true religion of God and all others are false. They even believe that Hindus pray to the devils. What can you say about that? Hindus did not start this whole scenario but the early muslim invaders. I have many Muslim friends but none dare not discuss any of this issue with me coz they fear the truth might be spilled.

 

I know how it feels when the whole world is against Islam but who is the cause of it all. The Muslims can blame the west for invading their holy land but when did India invade Arabia and converted Muslims into Hinduism? The answer is no in the history of mankind. But Muslims invaded India and looted all its treasures and destroyed historical temples and changed the whole history of India. I know we cannot change history but the Muslims in India can change the situation. As far as they know Islam is not their original religion and their forefathers were only converts by force and can now make it right by converting back to Hinduism and than they would enjoy a better life than what they have now. Nothing is impossible and the Muslims in India would create history if they do it before it gets out of hand.

[Guest guest]

firstly id like to say no i have not visited any islamic forums and i dont wish to, the world has become a crazy place, why dnt ppl just let leave others, why all this blood shed, you keep refferring back to history but at the end of the day thats history lets leave it at that.

 

yes there are a lot of fundimentalist whom take our religion to the extreams and try to force feed us with information that is not only correct but also wrong.

 

i dnt beleive that hindus beleive in the devils and there are im sure alot of people whom beleive that to, yes we do wonder why you worship an object that is man made? but at the end of the day of you find peace in that then fine.

 

hate is a very strong word to use, u can't hate us muslims u hate the ppl not a religion because they all religions should bring peace not hatred.

 

yes we were all at one time a non-muslim (some of my ancensters ofcourse where indu) but u knw its our choice tat we stay with our faith or not, no one elses choice.

 

the problem is education and being tought what right and wrong, i knw for a fact that ppl in the asian society tend always to mix tradition with religion and thats where problem occur,

 

this islam and hindu friction will always remain unless ppl are going to change. so are we muslims not welcome in india? are not welcome to eat at the same dinner table as you? this all friction is crazy. i am one to condem all this friction, if ppl continue to keep looking back into history them we will never be a ble to live in peace ad look to the futur. and isnt that wat we all want.

 

sorry i do apologise to whom ever may be offended by my comments or remarks.

 

allah hafiz

 

 

[Guest guest]

"you keep refferring back to history but at the end of the day thats history lets leave it at that."

 

Well I say it's down to trust and it will take time to rebuild trust. Because some muslims still dislike Hindus and their religion today and try to convert them, insult them, etc, there is distrust and will always be distrust until these muslims learn to behave themselves. They will be inviting more problems on themselves with this attitude. When a Hindu temple like the Swaminarayan Akshardham temple was attacked last year and devotees and monks killed by muslims terrorists, Hindus have evry reason to be suspicious of Muslims, as they were helped and shelltered by muslims. But we DO realise that not all muslims are killers and not all want to kill Hindus. But the non-acceptence of Hindus by Muslims (especially since the muslims are a minority in India) doesn't go down well. On religious matters Hindus & Muslims should just agree to disagree and leave it at that. What I mean is there should be mutual respect on both sides and people need to realise that negative actions will bring negative consequences (law of karma)...if that at all is possible.

 

"i knw for a fact that ppl in the asian society tend always to mix tradition with religion and thats where problem occur"

 

That is very true, even in Hinduism this causes confusion.

 

"so are we muslims not welcome in india? are not welcome to eat at the same dinner table as you?"

 

Like I said as long as people mean well and do not try to undermine, insult or convert Hindus they are welcome. But are non-muslims allowed to dine with muslims? And can muslims eat at a non-muslims house? Isn't the food supposed to be haraam?

 

[Guest guest]

no all of us are killers my god its not just us whom are in the rong we all have to take responsibility,

 

"But are non-muslims allowed to dine with muslims? And can muslims eat at a non-muslims house? Isn't the food supposed to be haraam?"

 

wat r u talking about yar, i dnt think u no any thing about haram at all the only haram thing for us is pork and alcohol and besides my brother's best friend is hindu and spend merely all his time at my house and we call him bahyier too.

 

any ways we're never gonna agree so leave it at tat, u ppl just mingle with each other yar im not comming back, u guys just like talk to each other but never like to resolve situations.

 

tc

 

allah hafiz

 

[Guest guest]

"i dnt think u no any thing about haram at all the only haram thing for us is pork and alcohol"

 

Actually, I was told by a muslim that he can't eat at a non-believer's house. The non-believer in question was another Hindu. If some muslims are not clued up about their religion, it's not my fault. There was even a time 2 muslims I knew were arguing whether or not music and dancing is allowed in Islam. Well, I'd say they need to be sure about something before they go ahed and engage in it.

 

Situations can be resolved if people are willing to resolve them. Alot of the politicians just inflame anger already in people. The questions that need to be asked is what caused the people to be this angry in the first place? The sooner this is understood, the sooner people can move towards peace.

[Guest guest]

you know in islam we arnt suppose to do anything to the people who didnt do anything to us.the christans and the jews fought with us and killed our peole so we can fight with them or get revange for wath they did our people.so you shouldnt blame us muslims blame those men who did somthing to your temple,or did the hindus did somthing to the muslim people.if thats not true then dont blame muslims blame the men who dont know your not suppose to kill people who didnt do anything.and dont blame my religon .