Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Take the help of Airavata prabhu, who is risking his life to preach deeply Krsna consciousness in the Muslim countries. Airavata Das, member of ISKCON with Muslim background, wrote an elaborate study called "The Hidden Treasure of Al Qur'an" http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/connections.htm, and go down to the section entitled Muslim) showing the personhood of Allah. In Chapter 8 he quotes the Qur'an 47.38: Wallahul Ganiyu: "Allah is Rich." This is Bhagavan. And in Chapter 12 he quotes the Qur'an 57.3: Huwa az-zahir wa huwa al-batin: "He is the Outward and He is the Inward." This means Allah is omnipresent, all-pervading. The word "Vishnu" means exactly that. I know it is hard to imagine how a person can be all-pervading but this is described in detail in Vaisnava philosophy. God has both personal and impersonal aspect. There are so many verses with names of Purushottama, Bhagavan or Vishnu that I don't know where to start with listing them all. Here is some of the Table of Contents of Airavatas book that will help devotees of Krsna to better relate to the Muslims : CHAPTER SIX Allah's personal nature 28 6.1. Allah has Light 28 6.2. Allah has personal relationships 29 6.3. Allah has personal feelings 34 6.4. Allah has personal desires 37 6.5. Allah has personal Memory 38 6.6. Allah has personal Features 39 6.7. Allah plays different personal parts 41 6.8. Allah has personal Will 42 6.9. Allah is the Living One 43 6.10. Allah has personal Power 43 6.11. Allah has personal Faculty of speech 44 6.12. Allah has personal Faculty of hearing 44 6.13. Allah has personal Faculty of sight 45 6.14. Allah has personal Identity 45 6.15. Allah has personal Knowledge 46 6.16. Allah is the best Person 46 6.17. Allah's seven excellent names 47 CHAPTER SEVEN Allah is One 50 CHAPTER EIGHT Allah is full of opulence 53 CHAPTER NINE Allah has a beautiful color 55 CHAPTER TEN Allah has a spiritual form 57 10.1. Allah has Eyes 57 10.2. Allah has the sense of hearing 59 10.3. Allah has the sense of speech 59 10.4. Allah has a Face 61 10.5. Allah has Hands 62 10.6. Allah has an Image 63 10.7. Allah can be seen 63 10.8. Allah has an Abode 64 10.9. Allah sits on the Throne 65 10.10. Allah moves in and around His creation 66 CHAPTER ELEVEN Allah is the Absolute Truth 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 and how this will motivate a muslim to give up islam? the would rather expect that all should become muslims. you refues, andy they will kill you. vaishnavas do not kill non vaishnavas. a right way for a hindu to make friend with a muslim, is when he/she gives up islam. else it would be very foolish. there is nothign smart in making friendship with one who follows an ideology that produces invaders/ aggressors/ temple shashers/ rapers/looters/ destroyers, etc. musmims smashed buddha bamian statue. no muslim person or country thinks of re-buidling it again. they know that ben ladin did what koran says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 that will not deter a Muslim from kilin a non Muslim. You can conjure all you want but a fanatical Muslim would not change his ways as you would not. Ask a Muslim to declare murtad openly as non Muslims who have converted to other religions. Try preaching your doctorine to Muslims in a Islamic country and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 yes barney, i agree. swamis, sanyasis, and aacharyas need to speak the truth, but hardy any one can do it at the cost of their own life. they know they cannot convince the muslim moodhas that islam is not worth following. now if the hindus provide the hindu preachers armed guards 24/7, then they will be able to speak the truth as it is. any great leader dove of the dove community cannot speak against any hawk. an unarmed community tend to become coward. then they do corruption. bad guys will always keep arms. so unarmed ones cannot do anything against the bad guys. consequently adharma spreads. so the hindus need to know dharma and be armed, else cowardice and corrupton cannot go away from the society. neither rama nor krishna made their population unarmed. even now many people in rajasthan do keep arms. so do sikhs. even U.S. and other western countries allow people to keep arms. hinduism does not forbid arms. jainism does (from where gandhi came). some tools used by the farmers and coconut etc industry workers can serve as weapons. so, they just need to keep some kshatriya spirit, and know how to act per dharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Why should a muslim give up his beleif?? is vaisnava better then islam!? and who are u to say that!? Look at what the muslim is doing and if u must judge him, judge him after what he does and then what the Qu´ran say, a muslim is forbidden to kill and he may kill only if his life is threaten!! so those muslims, the talibans where not muslims in fact!! Real islam is in its purest form sufism, and they make offense to Allah if they kill!! Hindus thinks its wrong to kill cows, but they think a horse offering and burning it alive is right, this is sham, if I burn a horse in a ceremony and defend that action in that the horse will get a human form in his next life is pure .!! nobody did ask the horse if he was willing to be burnt or if he was ready to become a sacrifice!! Even real satanism forbid murdering of animals and children!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 "Laa-ilaa-ha-illallah". There is no God exept God(Allah) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Only the satan worshipers whereas all others only refer to God in their own language by many names. Vishnu, Krishna, Shiva, Brahma and so on are names given to the one ultimate truth that is the Supreme Brahman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Do not forget we are all children of Krishna and therefore do not hate others if they say they are muslim. If they are devoted to God and call him "Allah" than this is great, if not then they are ignorant and could benefit from spirtiual advancement. Muslims should be aware of the great baggage of apolitical nature that is associated with their faith and should avoid this at all costs. Unfortunately many are led astray and do not follow religion but rather a cult of politics and division of humanity that seeks only to destroy. Of course this is also observed in other "major" religions of the world. -Amit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Why do u speak of what u dont know!? U dont even know what and where the name satan com from, more from the judaic religion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 if a Hk does wron its transcendental, because he does it for Krsna, but if a muslim kill hes bad, but if He does it for Allah, he to should be doing a trancendental act!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 it is up to you to decide where's morality and wheres the evil... pedophiles rape children because they love them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Satan is the fallen angel in the bible and if I am wrong than the bible too is wrong. So, let's speak about what you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 u are wron, but i aint going to say anything unto u before u do my test under the string knowledge!! by the way, dont u think the bible cant be wrong, HA, the bible has been re-written more then 1300 times!! And the bible is books that are choosen from schoolars, there are texts that wherent takened...The gospel of Thomas isnt there and the book of moses 6-7 is gone because its magic!! so dont tell me that I dont know!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 love and sex is two different things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Muslim philosophy is impersonal, for the most part, even though Airavata prabhu has proved that Allah is actually Krsna, and it is a personal philosophy. Most Muslims are not ready to accept this. The personal realization of God is always considered a deeper and more complete understanding of the Absolute Truth, then just to believe in an impersonal force, as the Muslims do. You cannot even tell them that Allah is our "father', because that indicates to them that Allah (Krsna) is an ordinary person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 but u do got Sufis that say exactly that, dont pull everybody in the dirt for some other peoples ideas...when I talk about Islam I talk about the real deal the Sufis!! They can relate to incarnation and other vaisnava thoughts!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 According to the sastras, to equate Siva , Brahma or any of the 33 million devatas as being on the same level as Lord Visnu and Krsna is called atheism, and is a great offence to the Holy Name of the Lord. It is like saying that the local mayor of your town is the Prime Minister of India !?! Brahman comes from Krsna, not the other way around.If we don't accept the sastras from a bona fide representative of Sri Krsna, we will find ourselves very bewildered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 In my country we got much muslims, and it aint so hard to make friends with them if u really whant to be a friend of them!! talk to him like a ordinary human being!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Supreme Brahman is Supreme Brahman and Krishna is only the manifestation of the Supreme Brahman. Learn your facts from the Vedas not misinterpretation of the Gita from arrogant Gurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 << if a Hk does wron its transcendental, because he does it for Krsna, but if a muslim kill hes bad, but if He does it for Allah, he to should be doing a trancendental act!! >> thus the muslims did their jihad for 1000 years invading india and millions of hindus were slaughtered. so you see, islam and hinduism are not compatible. islam should stay were it gred, and we hindus never invaded or forcibley converted. we even gave them our own land to live there and not bother us, still the problem is not solved. so, now islam must be out of india. we hindus will try all peaceful wasy to do it, but nothign works, the final armed option is not forbideden in hinduism. becaue there always will be some brute asuras in this material world, wars cannot be avoided here. to tolerate asuras and their adharma is adharma, and no hindu should do it. india will have peace when the hindus see that the muslims are generously donating to rebuild the bamian buddha statue; and remove the babri mosque from the top of the rama temple islam destoryed, and rebuild rama temple also using their money and labor. the hindus of india should work to accomplish this. hari no mArag chhe shUrAno nahi.n kAyar nu kAma jo ne paratham pahelu.n mastaka mUki vaLati levu.n nAma jo ne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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