To Prove a Avatar or Incarnation of God this verse is enough.

[sefroth77]

To Prove if a so called man is God than just refer to the Gita and read what Krishna says:

 

BG 4.6: Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates, and although I am the Lord of all living entities, I still appear in every millennium in My original transcendental form.

 

It clearly says MY TRANSCENDENTAL BODY NEVER DETERIORATES.

This means People like Sai Baba, Kalki Bhagavan or whatever Baba cannot be Krishna or the Superme God. Sai Baba few months back had a fall and broke his bone and the fact is he is growing old. Kalki Bhagavan is also old. So if they say they are Krishna than its plain Bogus nothing else. But Sai Baba could be a Demi-God who takes birth with certain powers to help the society.

 

Any opinions.

[Guest guest]

Bogus gurus for bogus diciples .the greedy leading the blind

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

Re

(Bogus gurus for bogus diciples .the greedy leading the blind)

 

Sign of kali yuga, find this every where.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

[barney]

Krishan had taken human birth as described in the Gita coz his death too is described. "Krishna was then killed by a hunter who mistook him for a deer and shot him with an arrow tipped with the same magical iron that had destroyed Krishna's people". Why use the word killed here? Which lets us to believe that his death was like any of us. Where as the body of Ramalingam swamigal vanished in thin air. Read about him. As for Sai Baba he could be an avatar like Krishna. If Krishna was in transcendental body than why the birth and growing up as a child under Yasoda's care and becoming adult. Something to think about. An avatar is manifetation and God has taken manifestaion inot human form. None of you can prove Sai Baba is not an avatar.

[Guest guest]

The greddy leading the blind, wet stool . or dry stool , it all stinks realy bad !wake up!!!

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

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(The greddy leading the blind, wet stool . or dry stool , it all stinks realy bad !!!)

 

So does verbal diarrhoea.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

None of you can prove Sai Baba is not an avatar.

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and you cannot prove that he is.. so do not propagandize what you are not sure if it is stool or not

 

or you risk to take the karma of having cheated many innocent people

 

OK!!!?????

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

Bg.7.24/25

Unintelligent men, who know Me not, think that I have assumed this form and personality. Due to their small knowledge, they do not know My higher nature, which is changeless and supreme.

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am covered by My eternal creative potency [yoga-maya]; and so the deluded world knows Me not, who am unborn and infallible.

 

: Re:( We may ber wrong. )

 

You may speak for your self

 

Re

(If Krishna was in transcendental body than why the birth and growing up as a child under Yasoda's care and becoming adult.)

 

Krishna never grew old,he is most beautiful and Displayed all the powers of Bhagvan.

 

Re

(None of you can prove Sai Baba is not an avatar. )

 

No need to, ownes is on whoever claims baba as avatar to prove.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

 

[barney]

I have but you seem to be sitting on the stinking stool. Your way of thinking does not need to be the same as mine and vice versa. Paths are many and if I find one that satisfy my understanding I will accept it as a way and so are millions of others. Get a grip of yourself and live by your ways instead of hating others.

[Guest guest]

you have been infected whit the krsna germ, i see it all over you .the lord works in mistical ways ,you are a very smart person so ,we may have diferent views but .we agree to desagree . take care

[Guest guest]

Paths are many and if I find one that satisfy my understanding I will accept it as a way and so are millions of others.

 

 

but many paths lead to hell

 

your understanding is not satisfied.. you only have blind faith in sai baba.. if you had some understanding you'd be able to explain his divinity

 

but you are not able, so you're not satisfied

[mawab]

god doesn't have to proof anything that he is god cuz god is god and doesn't have to proof it unless he wants to and because god is without desire, he doesn't want anything...not even to prove he is god

[Guest guest]

 

Krishan had taken human birth as described in the Gita coz his death too is described.

 

 

Nowhere in the gItA is it described that Krishna took "human birth."

 

 

"Krishna was then killed by a hunter who mistook him for a deer and shot him with an arrow tipped with the same magical iron that had destroyed Krishna's people". Why use the word killed here?

 

 

That isn't the word used. In fact, this is not even the language that is used.

 

 

Which lets us to believe that his death was like any of us.

 

 

It truly is a sign of terminal idiocy when one makes up "evidence" and then uses it to come to a false conclusion.

 

Have you even read the bhAgavata? Nevermind. It's obvious you have not.

 

 

Where as the body of Ramalingam swamigal vanished in thin air. Read about him.

 

 

Oh sure, the objective accounts of his objective devotees. Yeah, that's real smart.

 

 

As for Sai Baba he could be an avatar like Krishna. If Krishna was in transcendental body than why the birth and growing up as a child under Yasoda's care and becoming adult. Something to think about.

 

 

Prove to me now that Krishna was "born." You cannot, because such a thing is never stated. On the contrary, all the shAstra-s describe Him as unborn.

 

As far as His "growing up," there is nothing about this that denies the possibility of His having a transcendental body.

 

 

An avatar is manifetation and God has taken manifestaion inot human form. None of you can prove Sai Baba is not an avatar.

 

 

By the same logic, neither you nor I can prove that you are not a child abuser.

 

Barney, please stop looking at child pornography and beating up small children. Oh, what's that you say? You are innocent. Well you can't prove that.

 

We might have to call the police on you.

 

Is anyone else besides me shocked at how incredibly moronic this guy can be? Everytime I think I've got his IQ figured out, he manages to prove to me that it is even lower than I previously estimated.

 

[Guest guest]

hare krishna, hare rama, hare brahma, hare hare, hare vishnu hare shiva, hare all. that would be a cool chant huh

 

[Guest guest]

the blind leading the blind /images/graemlins/smile.gif. Most babas that many people regard as Gods are merely out to get your money. However, I think that Sai Baba is legit, but no where tantamount to the caliber of God or demigod.

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

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(the blind leading the blind . Most babas that many people regard as Gods are merely out to get your money. However, I think that Sai Baba is legit, but no where tantamount to the caliber of God or demigod. )

 

 

Our Karma leads the way and our desires bind us in this vicious circle, just as lord Shree Krishna says in BG.

 

The Lord abides in the heart of all beings, O Arjuna, causing all beings to act (or work out their Karma) by His power of Maya as if they are (puppets of Karma) mounted on a machine. (18.61)

Seek refuge in Him alone with all your heart, O Arjuna. By His grace you shall attain supreme peace and the eternal abode. (18.62)

 

 

 

I have been around long enough to know money plays a big part in peoples attitude towards you.

 

As for sai baba I do not know much about him except that he performs miracles and I am not much in to it. I am glad you qualified your statement by saying he is not god, which would be very hard thing to prove.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

[barney]

Your reply:

 

Nowhere in the gItA is it described that Krishna took "human birth."

__________

 

This is what is stated of the birth of Krishna:

"On the day Kamsa's sister Devaki was married off to Vasudeva, an akashvani or voice from the sky was heard prophesying that Devaki's 8th son would be the destroyer of Kamsa. At midnight on ashtami, the divine baby was born in Kamsa's prison". Do you deny that this was not so?

__________

 

Your reply:

 

That isn't the word used. In fact, this is not even the language that is used.

__________

 

So what ? As long as it has been traslated. Are you claiming that no scholars could traslate Sanskrit? Please do not display your idiocy in this forum. Just because you are foolish does not mean all has to follow your foolishness.

__________

 

You commented:

It truly is a sign of terminal idiocy when one makes up "evidence" and then uses it to come to a false conclusion.

 

Have you even read the bhAgavata? Nevermind. It's obvious you have not.

__________

 

That is your assumption and I need not have to blow my trumpet to every Tom, Dick and Harry that I have read the Gita. Anway, judging from your replies I can gather you are nothing but a arrogant idiot who is quick at accusing others of misconduct whithout knowing that person. You will make a good false wittness in the courts. May be earn a tidy sum in helping criminal lawyers as wittness, which I think is a good vocation for people like you.

__________

 

Your comment:

 

Oh sure, the objective accounts of his objective devotees. Yeah, that's real smart.

 

__________

 

It's obvious you know nothing of him [swami Ramalingam Adikhal]. From what I gather you are one bloke who is prejudice against southern saints. You are racist and calling yourself a Krishna devotee is a shame.

__________

 

Your comment:

 

Prove to me now that Krishna was "born." You cannot, because such a thing is never stated. On the contrary, all the shAstra-s describe Him as unborn.

 

As far as His "growing up," there is nothing about this that denies the possibility of His having a transcendental body.

 

__________

 

So, you are saying that there was no such prophecy of the birth of Krishna and Kamsa's vengence in trying to kill him at birth?

 

CHAPTER VII of the Gita.

Earth, water, flame, air, ether, life, and mind,

And individuality- those eight

Make up the showing of Me, Manifest. Here to is mentioned of his birth: Kŗşhņa, Son of Devaki

 

 

The Chāndogya Upanishad gives a special teaching in the sections (3.17.1-3.17.5). The section (3.17.6) states: “Ghora Āňgiras expounded this well-known doctrine to Devaki's son Kŗşhņa and said; ‘such a knower should, at the time of death, repeat this triad:

 

akşhitamasi You are imperishable

 

achyutamasi You are unchangeable

 

prāņasamshitamasi You are the subtle essence of Prāņa’

 

(On hearing the above) he (Kŗşhņa) became tireless apipāsa”.

 

Then the Upanishad quotes two verses from the Rigveda Samhita namely (8.6.30) and (1.50.10), the famous mantra to the supreme God, the Divine Sun Sūrya.

 

Here is the earliest mention of Sri Kŗşhņa. As Sri Aurobindo states, “it speaks of Kŗşhņa, son of Devaki, in a tone that would justify us in assuming that it regarded them not as ancient and far—off names but as men who had walked on earth in living memory."

 

The above is just part of it only. Anyway I know how much you know and I have no further comments and I know others too will know of your standing.

__________

 

Your comment:

 

Barney, please stop looking at child pornography and beating up small children. Oh, what's that you say? You are innocent. Well you can't prove that.

__________

 

Please do not make me laugh so loud. The saying goes "it take a fool to call others fool and also it takes a thief to call others thief" So, here you have proven indirectly that you are a child abuser and addicted to child pornography and that's more than enough for us to know your true colour. Thank you for showing us who you really are.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

barney you are boring... krsna never had a birth like a human being but simply appeared to vasudeva and devaki in mathura's prison

 

we say "krsna janmastami" but everyone knows that the krsna janma was absolutely not like a human child's birth.. so read better bhagavat purana tenth canto

 

the other fact is that insulting krsna you surely do not praise sai baba

 

you have to demonstrate that sai baba is not a fake, not that both sai baba and krsna are fakes

 

so focus better on the subject, if you demostrate that krsna is not god, i surely do not turn my attention on that ugly sai baba fellow

[barney]

Do anyone here can vouch for you that I disclaim Krishna as God? You must be and idiot all tis while not reading my post carefully. You have taken out of contex and reporting like unethical media reporters. Kishna is the ninth avatar of maha vishnu and no Hindu can deny that not even me. So, you have picked the wrong posting here. My point here is Every form of God be it Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Ganesha, Durga and Murugan is important in Hinduism. The choice is yours but if you pick one and despise the others amount to cult worship and HK to me is a cult. I have heard and seen them acting like one. Sai Baba may be ugly to you but not to his followers who are Hindus, Christians and Muslims. It's his teachings and his psychic power one should see and not his look. Here again you are showing your racism and prejudice against a person you have not even met in person or spoken to. Just reading the nagative report of fools, you to have joined the bandwagon of fools. Good for your foolish thoughts and if it is your karma to stay stupid no one can help it. Good day.

[Guest guest]

My point here is Every form of God be it Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Ganesha, Durga and Murugan is important in Hinduism.

••and this is nice

 

The choice is yours but if you pick one and despise the others amount to cult worship and HK to me is a cult

••and this is something you believe about sri gaudya vaishnava sampradaya due to your incompetence and disinformation

 

Sai Baba may be ugly to you but not to his followers who are Hindus, Christians and Muslims.

••so please demonstrate that he's god instead of watering down vedic culture saying that everyone's god and making appear the indians as stupids ready to follow like sheeps anyone who claims to be god

 

Here again you are showing your racism and prejudice against a person you have not even met in person or spoken to.

••you do not know anything of me... do not bother to speculate

 

Just reading the nagative report of fools, you to have joined the bandwagon of fools

••yes... again.. demonstrate your beliefs instead of insult to close the mouth to the people and to cheat your conscience

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ssurya]

Hello there,

 

I don't know why you all want to argue and fight so harshly. Please be patient and let there be peace.

 

I am a devotee of Sri Mahavishnu. Sometimes, when I do see ISKCON members, I do feel they drive it like only Krishna is the supreme God. I feel confused as to when all the avatars are of Lord Mahavishnu, why do they try to promote only Lord Krishna, instead, why don't they promote and spread the word about Lord Mahavishnu ??

 

Secondly, when one talks about Satya Sai Baba, I don't know what to say, but I feel something artificial about him. I frankly have not met him nor seen him. But I saw him on television. On TV, I saw him giving darshan and collecting slips (of requests ) from his devotees who have been waiting. However, he doesnt accept all the request slips from everyone, but just few people (who are considered lucky0. When a devotee has taken pains to go there and wait for him to appear, why is he so partial ? Atleast he is withing reach and can be seen, and appears more accessible as he is purpotedly God in Human form.

 

Finally, how come he gives appointments immediately to Top Politicians, who are corrupt and who have all done lot of 'PAAP'. Frankly, I have not come across any present day politician who hasn't got any greed for money or who is pure, but how come Baba gives immediate darshan and appointment easily to a top rankinh politician ??

 

If he is God, then why is the crime rate going up so badly, after all the mission of his avatar is to stop it and give more peace to human beings. My intention is not to say anything against Sai baba, I am just curious, and am ignorant about Sai Baba. If only anyone can throw light, I shall be happy. I wouldn't want to comment on someone whom I never met or had any experience with, but these questions I raised are questions any normal person would have. Further there have been numerous articles about Sri Sathya Sai baba, one in a reputed magazine like India Today, making many accusations against him, including the ones that he is a homosexual.

 

I happened to meet one Bala Sai Baba, who I guess became one after styling his hair the Sathya Sai Baba way. I never felt even a second of divinity when I was near him, nor did I feel any kind of peace or bliss when I was near him.

 

 

Regarding Kalki Bahgawan, I have seen his commercials in movie halls and cannot but pity the stupidity with which people flock to him and his wife calling him GOD. If anyone knows about Kalki Bhagawan, they should be knowing that it is still thousands of years more before Lord Kalki makes an appearance.

[Guest guest]

I feel confused as to when all the avatars are of Lord Mahavishnu, why do they try to promote only Lord Krishna, instead, why don't they promote and spread the word about Lord Mahavishnu ??

 

at a certain level these can be considered subtleties

 

mahavishnu is krsna and krsna is mahavishnu.. this is essentially the philosophy preached by gaudya sampradaya (if you examine a little)

 

so be happy that they're spreading krsna/vishnu nama all over the world

 

in a vaishnava world, there will be plenty of freedom to worship any form of vishnu/krsna we like more

 

[Guest guest]

blah, blah, blah. Barney, I think you really need to deal with your addictions before preaching to the rest of us.

 

 

[barney]

None can answer except follow what is written in the scriptures of Hindus, Christians, Jews and Muslims. Can any one tell me where is God at this very moment and in what form he is now? None, all they can say is he might be like this and that without any conclusive evidence. Hinduism says God is formless like the others but he can take a form when he feels the need. God is Omnipresent as the candle light that shines in all direction. So, to say God is only in Krishna's form is mere speculation. Which would you prefer one who is beside you, who can comfort you in time of distress or the one who is not present and whom you could not see in person? Sai devotees feel the comfort and the energy Sai Baba emits that comforts his devotees, something like an assurance that I'm here do not worry. God of course is all prevailing but you do not know where he is or when he is appearing. He could be anywhere in any form to test man's faith in him. He could appear as a hermit or a begger directly opposite you and you could be ignoring him for the state he is. And so you missed him this time and he may appear again as a stranger asking for direction and you fear coz he is a stranger and yet you missed him again. What does all tis mean? This what we call in Hinduism that God would test your faith in him and to see if your heart is clean. Just talking about the scriptures or mastering the Vedas is not important. What is important is how much you know about God and his work and the millions of jivas around you. They are all interconnected in a way. It is not that easy to explain but you have to experience it.

 

Just singing hare krishna alone would not get you a ticket to haven. The question is how much love and respect do you have for your fellow human beings and all other creatures of God's creation in this world. You can think of God in any form dictated in the scriptures and it does not matter coz he is all and one. It is said God is within you and your heart is the temple but do you behave as one? If God resides in you than you must love all as you love yourself. Sai Baba may or may not be an avatar but learn what he is preaching. He has not introduced any new doctorine or set of new laws for human beings. He is reviving the scriptures as what Jesus did. He says love is the only medicine that man needs to have peace in this world as he quotes from the Gita and Vedas. Can you condemn a man for such? I know what the Guadaya or Krishna followers think. They did that 2000 years ago when Buddha announced his mission. They condemn him and abused and punished his followers untill they were all driven out of the province as what the Jews did to Jesus and his folowers. I'm not propagating Sai mission here but merely pointng out the evil mind of people like the guest here. Sorry, I have nothing against you or anyone in this forum nor do I want to pick a fight here. I have not seen or spoken to Baba but have read his message to the world and heard close experience of his followers. How can I condemn a man for preaching love and God's mission on earth. Let him call himself to be incarnation of God so what, has he taken away your right to chose your diety or has he forced you to give up what you believe in? Neither of it and yet some of them here are angry and furious because he has a large following. Even some Vaishnavas think of him as Krishna incarnate and the Christians see in him the Jesus they have not seen before but the paintings of Leonardo Da Vince. I am a Hindu by birth and I believe God is Omnipresent and Omnipotent which is why I say he could take any form any time and we do not have the power to question his action. Just do not talk and debate about our scriptures but start with action. Show your true love for God by loving his creatures and showing passion towards the needy and sick irrespective of their status and religious belief. That's all I ask.

[Guest guest]

Can any one tell me where is God at this very moment and in what form he is now?

--you make this question because you wrongly do not believe in the trascendendality of the forms of god. God at the moment is everywhere and he IS simultaneously all his infinite satcitananda rupas. This is trascendence

 

Hinduism says God is formless like the others but he can take a form when he feels the need

--different, god is not formless then he take something that he has not in origin, this is illogic. God is form and formless simultaneously and eternally.. it is not like us that we get a material body that has nothing to do with our inner reality

 

So, to say God is only in Krishna's form is mere speculation

--yes.. it is in itself a blasphemy to krsna.. who said it?

 

God of course is all prevailing but you do not know where he is or when he is appearing.

--is this a justification to accept easily anyone who's claiming to be god?

 

Just talking about the scriptures or mastering the Vedas is not important. What is important is how much you know about God and his work and the millions of jivas around you.

--and where you can learn these things if not in scriptures and vedas? mastering means to have absorbed the teachings and to experience them... nothing else

 

Just singing hare krishna alone would not get you a ticket to haven. The question is how much love and respect do you have for your fellow human beings and all other creatures of God's creation

---two answers... hare krishna is the transcendental name of god, and god and his name are exactly the same. So, there's no method more effective for liberation than calling directly god at our help. Of course who is seriously chanting hare krsna he's simultaneously practising hare krsna. So who chants but he has not love and respect has to be taken as a neophite practitioneer.

When one links himself to krsna, the love for others appear spontaneously as a side effect.

It is like you have said.. "who is a f1 pilot, he must have a car to drive in the race.."

 

Sai Baba may or may not be an avatar but learn what he is preaching.

--the real preaching is the behaviour.. secondarily he's preaching very questionable things.. that he's god for example

 

He says love is the only medicine that man needs to have peace in this world

--i don't know if cheating people letting them to worship him as god, instead of teaching them about who's really god(krsna, vishnu, jesus etc..), can be considered a form of love. In my opinion it can be the worst damage that a poor soul has to bear.. if i explode in a terrorist attack i lose one life, if i follow a false god, i go in the hell with him for innumerable lifes and yugas

 

I'm not propagating Sai mission here but merely pointng out the evil mind of people like the guest here.

--so defeat the evil minds demonstrating what you believe and propagandize... or be honest and stop to make it

 

and, first of all, do not sustain the inconsistency of the sai baba's divinity, saying that any manifestation of god is inconsistent... thing that you have done 'til now

 

if you feel that philosophy and religion are not important but the only important thing is the philantrophic action, this is a higly respactable position...... but do not speak about religion of philosophy if you have a relatively low concept of them