is homosexuality acceptable

[Guest guest]

i am attracted to men, and may always be. straight men don't want to hear it, any gay men or straight women out there with opinions?

[Pankaja_Dasa]

 

God. krishna. Attaction.

[Guest guest]

This is age of kali.So these types of behaviors exist.

[Guest guest]

everyone of us is unacceptable, we have many anarthas and we do millions of sins every millisecond

 

so this discussion is useless, because if you do not accept a valid method to go back to godhead, the fact that some religious group or organization will accept or not homosexuality as normal will not help you at all

 

you are not the body, it is your body who is eterosexual, homosexual, indian, american, fat, thin, black, white, not your real self who's an eternal, transcendental god's lover in the spiritual world

 

so study and practice a valid spiritual path,and the advantages you'll get will last even when you'll have a non homosexual body in the next life

 

better if you quit material world and you get the liberation, leaving all materialists quarreling uselessly about homosexuality, eterosexuality and so on

[maadhav]

No.

 

Untlil you recover from the sickness,

try to establish gay relation with only krishna male.

 

[Guest guest]

given here are just absurd...theres no logic in it at all. while our one true love should be for the Supreme Being, procreation has made love a partner in crime sortof. Love exists and is the Lord Kama. It is said that Shiva has destroyed Kama's body, symbolizing that love haws no form. The emotional bond between two people can happen between any two people regardless of gender or any other limiting aspect. There is no bounds to who can love what, theoretically.

 

Sexual attraction on the other hand is something learnt growing up. Sex between man and woman was stressed by older societies due to the need to procreate. They needed to build up a higher population of army, or merchants or workers or anything. basically, they needed more of THEIR people. THEIR cultured people who think and act like they do. Therefore heteroseuxal sex was encouraged and homosexual sex was discouraged. {{Personally, i believe that happened more as one got further away from the equator. But the reasoning behind, i'll explain some other time}}

 

Over time, it became acceptable to procreate and enjoy heterosexual sex, but many cultures still swayed towards homosexual or bisexual tendencies. Due to the psychological dissonance of the population as a whole, they came to change their views and accept their actions as right and their desires as wrong. Psycholgy can apply to a whole group of people as well as individually.

 

But today, as we are stuck in an age that still has remnants of that old dissonance-induced homophobia, we should work towards tolerance. We have more than enough people in the world. Acutlaly, as populations rise, the world will proabbly see overcrowding. So it is not NECCESSARY that humans stick only to heterosexual outputs. If one wants to live a homosexual lifestyle, then one should be freely granted the ability to and not judged based on it.

 

so to u I say, be gay. be merry. enjoy life. learn God. understand God. enjoy God.

[Guest guest]

i personally dont understand that a man would be attracted to other men over women, but my opinion is that as long as your relations are pure, free from vice and sexual misconduct (lude acts), then it would be okay to pursue that relationship. that would make a homosexual relationship very difficult i would imagine. as for purity in a homosexual...well if your intentions remain with staying in tune with god then how can you change your basic instinct? just dont take advantage of that inclination. just remember that if you are young, you have plenty of life to live, so dont resign yourself to the classification of gay or straight. it depends on who you meet, who you fall in love with...also think if your prior experiences have anything to do with your 'choice'. just one query. if the answer to your question was strictly a 'no' (as it is stated in the Bible in reference to homosexuality), then what would you do about it?

[Guest guest]

hi All ,

 

Iam a sincere devotee of Lord as well a sincere gay (may be bcosof my previous births' sin). For some reasons I don want live as gay.I wanted to be a normal male attracted to a female as well as a sincere devotee. Iam chating HIS name sincerely for the same for more than 5 yrs. Still I cudnt get rid of this. Unconsicously Iam getting attracted to a male.

 

Pls give me suggestions.

 

"Hare Raama !!!"

 

Thanks in advance.

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

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(Iam a sincere devotee of Lord as well a sincere gay (may be bcosof my previous births' sin). For some reasons I don want live as gay.)

 

The two position is incompatible, if you remain sincere devotee of the lord the anarth will slowly disappear, so keep chanting the lord in our heart knows how sincere we are, we may fool the world or fool ourself but not him.

 

TEXT 37

 

sri-bhagavan uvaca

kama esa krodha esa

rajo-guna-samudbhavah

mahasano maha-papma

viddhy enam iha vairinam

 

 

The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

[Guest guest]

karma is responsible for all that happens in this life and the next. however, u say you are gay because of the SINS of your previous birth. do u feel its a sin to be gay? are you not ready to accept yourself? sexuality is something people pick up along the way throughout their childhood from different experiences and different reinforcements. You are gay because of certain expericences and reinforcers that you had in childhood that you may not even be aware of or give grat importance to. but thats is what happens to all of us.

 

to try to deny your sexuality and change it would be extremely hard. I think taking the spiritual route (though there is nothing wrong with it) will not lead you to the land of heterosexuality. It will proabbly lead you to a life of celibacy. if that is what you want, then go for it. if not, then accept how God has helped shape you and take the flack given by society for THAT is the true karma that is coming to u. That is what you are to experience. if you procrastinate, it will only continue to be your karma in yuour future births until that karma is exhausted

[Guest guest]

What rot!! Cant you guys give a practical answer to this guys questions rather than filling his mind with religious jargon!!!. He needs a direct answer not convuluted theories about God,Atman and Brahman!!!!

[Guest guest]

Hm...Try "Galva ". Special site for gay and lesbian vaishnavas. They have a special organisation. No kidding

[Guest guest]

"What rot!! Cant you guys give a practical answer to this guys questions rather than filling his mind with religious jargon!!!. He needs a direct answer not convuluted theories about God,Atman and Brahman!!!! "

 

 

if you know some pills and powders that can solve the problems more than spiritual advices, please share them with us.. the forum is free and you are free to help in your own way

 

haribol

[Guest guest]

Pills and powders...are you joking ? the guy is gay ...so what ?

 

If you believe in karma then this is his karma. according to hindu philosophy he will take rebirth if he is strongly attached to sexual relations whether they are homo - or hetero. Nothing to loose , right?

 

If you believe in the all-knowing god, then according to hindu-philosophy god will judge. It is not are case to judge what will happen to him. And as long as this guy does not hurt somebody it is not our case too.

 

The guy has chanted 5 years , he is still gay. looks like there are 2 possibilities :

 

1. chanting don't change his homosexuality

2. His deity does not want him to change

 

I am not advocating his preference but it seems that this is his most "natural" tendency . It looks like it won't change no matter how many pranams and japa he does so maybe this is what he should be ( in this live ).

[Guest guest]

Why make homosexuality an issue?If you are happy with it,then live with it.That doesnt make you a sinner.You need not suffer with guilt for being a homosexual.If you want to be like others and want to enter married life with a woman then do so.But let that be your decision and not one based on fear of god.Dont have religious worries over this issue.Whatever be your life choice, never forget hindu dharma,geetha and lord Krishna.He will give you what is good for you.

 

 

[maadhav]

conrol the lust (attraction)

by proper choices of foods (e.g. garbanzos) and by engaging the mind in krishna conscious activities, or meditation. lust arises due to body and gunas. we are not bodies, but the soul within, says krishna. He is supersoul.

fast on ekadasis.

 

when you see a body that attrcts you,

know that within it is stool and urine, and blood and bones.

it is yukk within. then think of the lotus feet of krishna.

and keep your mind there.

 

avoid seeing/thinking the body, and or go away from it.

or think that that body is of your great grandfather's body.

 

in any case do not touch a body that attracts you.

 

i have no more advice for gays that this.

success or failure is in your hand.

 

[Guest guest]

hi All ,

 

Iam a sincere devotee of Lord as well a sincere gay (may be bcosof my previous births' sin). For some reasons I don want live as gay.I wanted to be a normal male attracted to a female as well as a sincere devotee. Iam chating HIS name sincerely for the same for more than 5 yrs. Still I cudnt get rid of this. Unconsicously Iam getting attracted to a male.

 

Pls give me suggestions.

 

"Hare Raama !!!"

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

Hi All,

My heartfelt thanks for all of those who answered sincerely for my query. If at all u don mind let me make it still more clear.

 

for devotees:

Iam much worried bcos I doubt my devotion (passion) on HIM. (whether devotion in me arose bcos of my gay thing in me). I hav handful of experiences in my life(when I was in crisis) where I cud FEEL (felt) the presence of supreme power. But still I cudnt get rid of gay thing in me.

The worst part in me is Iam not 'attracted' to women.So I cant claim myself to be the devotee of Raama.

All that I need myself to be is "TO BE A 'SIN'CERE DEVOTEE OF RAAMA< TO GET RID OF GAY THING IN ME, AND GET ATTRACTED TO WOMEN(TO LIMITED EXTENT AS RAAMA WAS WITH SITA).

 

for atheist:

 

If at all u can give me some solution thru science ( medicines or Psychiartitic treatment,....) Pls do post it.

 

for kind of people :

I am striving t get rid of the gay thing in both approaches

1) thru spirituality

2) thru modern science

 

Some how or the other I need to get it done. So both kind of people may post ur suggestions.

 

"Abathaam abha harthaaram dhaathaaram sarva sampathaam /

lokha braahmaam SHREE RAAMAM bhooyo bhooyo namaamyaham //"

 

 

 

 

Thanks and Regards

 

SHREEMAN

 

[Guest guest]

Haribol,

 

If you are only attracted to males, that means you are homosexual from birth. Which means it is your prarabda karma. This means the only person able to remove that karma is Krishna. If u keep chanting Krishna's names and resist the sexual urge then u will make progress. Keep praying to Krishna that He may detach you totally from sexual desires.

 

A beautiful prayer by Queen Kunti:

 

"O Lord of Madhu, just as the Ganges flows incessantly without end to the ocean, let my attraction be constantly directed to You without being diverted to anything else."

 

Any other problems, please keep posting.

 

Hare Krishna,

Your Servant.

[Guest guest]

<<If you are only attracted to males, that means you are homosexual from birth. Which means it is your prarabda karma>>

 

homosexuality or any sexuality for that matter is not something you are born with. babies are born asexual then become bisexual then become unisexual, whether that be the opposite sex or your own. one learns to be sexual from society. it is something that your environment helps to pur in you. it is not genetics and not somethign that you are born with..

 

 

secondly, in respnse to the original question posed, i did give practical advise. do not be ashamed of who you are and accept it. if you are gay, you are gay. theres nothing wrong with it. only unaccepting insecure homophobic people who are a little uncomfortable with their own sexuality find homosexuality totally and utterly wrong. that is probably due to unresolved issues about the topic from their own lives. as for the objective morality of homosexuality, there is nothign wrong wiht it. God will love you if you love women, men, mice, dogs, or anything else.

 

so in conclusion, im saying. be gay. accept it. if you want, tell people. if you do tell people, be proud of it. do not cower away. be strong. god is protecting you and will be with you no matter what adversities you will havbe to endure because of this issue

[Guest guest]

"Pills and powders...are you joking ? the guy is gay ...so what ? "

 

you were searching for fast remedies...not me

 

 

"If you believe in karma then this is his karma"

 

that's not a big philosophical discovery,,, everything happens to us is karma

 

"The guy has chanted 5 years , he is still gay. looks like there are 2 possibilities :

1. chanting don't change his homosexuality

2. His deity does not want him to change "

 

other possibilities are that pure, real chanting is not something easy to attain.. time means nothing.. and there's obviously your point 2:

 

our biggest problem is to be in the material world, we have to quit it and go back to godhead, otherwise if we remain here we will constantly suffer...

 

so if he will not turn in etherosexual but he will turn in a pure devotee of the lord everyone will be much more happy

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

"hi All ,

Iam a sincere devotee of Lord as well a sincere gay (may be bcosof my previous births' sin). For some reasons I don want live as gay.I wanted to be a normal male attracted to a female as well as a sincere devotee. Iam chating HIS name sincerely for the same for more than 5 yrs. Still I cudnt get rid of this. Unconsicously Iam getting attracted to a male."

 

haribol.... you can chant for whatever reason you like more.. to quit homosexuality, to have money, to have health and so on..... but harinama and his results are ultimately in control of sri krsna bhagavan

 

it is perfectly possible that krsna has about you different plans from your ones... so simply chant, and you will attain liberation and krsna prema

 

in this way all problems will be simultaneously and eternally solved, and if you have a correct behaviour no honest and true, mercyful devotee will discriminate you for your sexual orientation

 

we are not our body

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

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( and if you have a correct behaviour no honest and true, mercyful devotee will discriminate you for your sexual orientation)

 

A true devotee sees everyone with equal vision, but i ask you what is a correct behaviour for a devotee? Is sex life never mind the homosex conducive to spritual life?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

[Guest guest]

There are two pages of random talk by a group of people here, but not one talks wisely.

 

Sexuality is not condemned in Hinduism. Although Kaama (lust) is one of the Ari Shadvarga's to be conquered (ther others being Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Mada and Matsarya), it is also one of the four Purushaarthas (Dharma, Artha, Kaama and Moksha).

 

Ancient Hindus recognized that without Kaama, the species would cease to exist.

 

Regarding the sexual tendencies, there is not a single line that condemns homosexuality in either the Vedas or Puranas. Either the ancient Hindus accepted it as normal or they just ignored it.

 

Finally, there is no scientific proof that homosexuality is based on behavior. Most scientists agree that there is possibly a gene that influences people towards homosexuality.

 

Folks, if you don't know the answers, my suggestion is to do some research and provide good answers.

[Ganeshprasad]

Jai Ganesh

 

First of all i am not condeming any ones sexuality, but i am asking is it conducive to ones spritul progress?

 

Re

(There are two pages of random talk by a group of people here, but not one talks wisely. )

 

So let us here your wisdom quating Shastra.

 

Re

(Sexuality is not condemned in Hinduism. Although Kaama (lust) is one of the Ari Shadvarga's to be conquered )

 

can you quote one verse in Hindu shastra where Homosexuality is encourage?

 

why is Kaama to be conquered?

 

Re

(, it is also one of the four Purushaarthas (Dharma, Artha, Kaama and Moksha).

 

Sure but it should not be contrary to religious principle

Bg.7.11

I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna].

 

Re

(Ancient Hindus recognized that without Kaama, the species would cease to exist. )

 

What is this got to do with Homo?

 

Re

(Regarding the sexual tendencies, there is not a single line that condemns homosexuality in either the Vedas or Puranas. Either the ancient Hindus accepted it as normal or they just ignored it. )

 

Speculation, it could be also non existent in those time,

but they sure does warn us of uncontrol urge.

Bg2.55

The Blessed Lord said: O Partha, when a man gives up all varieties of sense desire which arise from mental concoction, and when his mind finds satisfaction in the self alone, then he is said to be in pure transcendental.

consciousness.

2.62While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.

 

3.37

sri-bhagavan uvaca

kama esa krodha esa

rajo-guna-samudbhavah

mahasano maha-papma

viddhy enam iha vairinam

 

 

 

The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.

 

Re

(Finally, there is no scientific proof that homosexuality is based on behavior. Most scientists agree that there is possibly a gene that influences people towards homosexuality.)

 

Speculation only

 

RE

(Folks, if you don't know the answers, my suggestion is to do some research and provide good answers.)

 

So why dont you?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

[Guest guest]

If at all u can give me some solution thru science ( medicines or Psychiartitic treatment,....) Pls do post it.

 

 

Shreeman, This not is the place to find experts on homosexuality. If you want any serious answers to the question whether there are medical 'treatments 'for it, you better get yourself medical advice. Look for medical specialists who are specialised in this matter. This might take some time.Im sure that a specialist in transsexuality etc knows more about the (side) effects of pills that can have an influence on sexual behavior.At least they can tell you more than most of us can do. Medically speaken.

 

Every field has it experts.An expert on one field is not an expert on others. If you want to know what is wrong with your car you dont go to a bhakta or baker but to a mechanic. If you want to know what is wrong with your body you 'll go to the doctor, right ? You should not expect to find good medical answers on this forum.

 

To summon things :

 

For bread go to the baker

For medical advice go to the doctor

For psychiological answers go to psycholigists etc.

etc etc

 

This forum might be helpfull if you want to know what sripture has to say or if you want to know what our OPINIONS áre on this matter but for medical or pschyl. answers you should go to experts.