Why do different theories on God exist??? whats the reason for this?

[krishnadasa]

Dear Bandhus , please accept my humble pranaams!!!

 

Its perfectly true to say that each one of us look at things in thier own way although sometimes it looks like we follow somone's (Great acharyas) theories or principles, yet each one of us have our own way of dealing with it -reason being the diversity of human nature , eveything here is unique , eveything operates in its unique way and so are the thoughts that genarate in everyone's mind.

 

Of these minds the ones ,which are either partly or fully fed up with the material world would try to inquire about the absolute truth, and this it does with the way it has been developed, or depending on the kind of atmosphere wherein it has been evolved , so as a result these minds call the same absolute truth as Krishna , or sometimes these claim him to be Allah and yet sometimes after boggling over many theories and thoughts it fails tpo achieve a conclusion whether it really exists or not (this is quite wierd)

 

 

So the real question here is why there is a difference in the way these bloody minds look the same absolute truth in different different way? and even after knowin that this difference is purely cos of the differnet types of minds existing in the world , yes even after knowing that, why these same old minds quarrel over the theories??

 

Does anybody out there have any answer for this??

 

Probably a spiritual master whom I am not lucky to get yet would be a perfect person to answer...

 

well the question is right infront of you!!!

 

common throw ur thought over it /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

 

Hari hari bol

[Guest guest]

Well within Hinduism, God is unlimted and it is wrong to put a limit on God that the Abrahamic faiths do. Different sages had realised/experienced God in different ways, so this led to many different paths or sampradayas. In Hinduism we don't have one or two Sages, we have many and we believe that they have all experienced God in their own way. Whoever founded a Sampradaya is showing his followers to realise God the same way he did and this is done through his teachings and interpretation of the scriptures. But that Acharya hasn't experienced God in a way that someone starting another Sampradaya has.

 

Now there may be some false leaders who came along and claimed to have heard or seen God and started a religion off. If they manage to fool people they and their religion will become powerful. Some of these leaders may just push their won opinions on God and society and pass it off as "God told me so, you better believe it".

 

{So the real question here is why there is a difference in the way these bloody minds look the same absolute truth in different different way?}

 

Indoctrination and the community they mix with says alot. The way people think could be influenced by their community or family. Also if a person is only shown one viewpoint from young and told that all others are false, it is hard for them to understand other views when they get older and is harder to see 'outside the box'.

 

[Nitairam]

Hare Krishna

 

Well, the topic is so big but OK, let's start somewhere.

 

* some people don't believe in God

* some think He might exist, he might not exist; they are not sure

* some think He existed in the beginning but after creating the world and the living entities He died.

 

So, these kind of people have all their different understandings because of the influence of modes of ignorance and passion. Real knowledge about God however, is understood in the mode of goodness. Usually, the brahmanically inclined people are considered to be in the mode of goodness. They want to search for the truth about God's existence and understand the soul. They know the practice how to realize the Absolute Truth. So, when a pandita - learned person realize the absolute truth Brahman or parabrahman he is known as brahmana.

 

Some of the brahmanas ara brahmavadis and some are personalists or Vaishnavas. This two groups of religious people are there all over the world under different names.

 

From the Srimadh Bhagavatam we know that whether God is understood in impersonal way or personal way both understandings are there in the absolute truth namely that He exists as brahman - the all-pervading light; as Paramatma - the all-pervading Supersoul residing in everyines heart and all atoms; and as Bhagavan the Lord of Vaikuntha -narayana or the Lord of Goloka - Krishna.

 

So, everybody understands God to some degree. The degree of getting understanding depends on the degree of ones spiritual purity, attraction and interest and accordingly the Supreme Absolute Truth reveals himself as Brahman, Paramatma and Bhagavan.

 

Before describing the Brahmavadis we should mention about Mayavadis too. They think God's form is maya or illusion, everything that exists in this world is illusion, even the devotional activities of worshiping Vishnu is also illusion. Because they consider everything to be illusion or maya they are called Mayavadis. Their philosphy is very offensive and thus because of their offenses they cannot understand and realize the supreme Absloute truth as Paramatma or Bhagavan. Their intelligence is impure. Isopanisad say that they will go to hell because of their offenses.

 

Brahman is usually realised by Brahmavadis or the Yogis who are impersonalists by meditating on the quality-less Brahman. The Brahmavadis are not offenders they consider the form of the Supreme Lord Vishnu to be transcendental. However, because they are very attached to impersonal realisation they remain impersonalitsts. When they come in the contact with a powerful devotee of Krishna or Vishnu or if they get the direct mercy of the Supreme Lord they might also become transformed into personalists or Vaishnavas.

 

Paramatma can be realized by the Yogis both imersonalists and personalists. The first one attaining the vision of Paramatma desire to merge into Him. This is called Ishvara-sayujya. Through the body of Paramatma they attain the relm of brahmajyoti. The personalists yogis they can attain Vaikuntha and have a neutral relationship with the Lord of Vaikuntha e.g. as tree, grass, a cow etc.

 

Bhagavan is realized by the devotees who render loving service to Him with unalloyed devotional service - bhakti.

One might be either Narayan-bhakta, Ram-bhakta or Krishna-bhakta. There are many other Incarnations one might worship like Vamana by Bali; Narasimha by Prahlada etc.

 

So, all the different understandings of God are there in the scriptures and one may become interested in one feature or another. Of course it mostly depend on association and scriptural education one gets.

 

Please chant Hare Krishna and be happy

 

Nitai

 

 

[krishnadasa]

Hare Krishna,

 

If I understand it correctly the the divisions you have put down her could be named shortly in the following way

 

* some people don't believe in God- Athiests

* some think He might exist, he might not exist; they are not sure- Confused (rather disinterested)

* some think He existed in the beginning but after creating the world and the living entities He died. -Buddhists

[so, these kind of people have all their different understandings because of the influence of modes of ignorance and passion. Real knowledge about God however, is understood in the mode of goodness. Usually, the brahmanically inclined people are considered to be in the mode of goodness. They want to search for the truth about God's existence and understand the soul. They know the practice how to realize the Absolute Truth. So, when a pandita - learned person realize the absolute truth Brahman or parabrahman he is known as brahmana. ]

 

Very true and I agree with you , but my question here is that even after knowing this why we quarrel, why does one simply try to prove one's theory to be right or wrong. eg: you find these Shaivaits always quarelling over vaishnavaits over the supremecy of Shiva over visnu or the vice versa, well both have thier own scriptures to do that. And then when it comes to a new person who wants to know about both of these lines of teaching and wants to follow the right path he or she will surely be confused and would remain rather in the original position .

 

hari hari bol

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

People pray to god for material returns, wanting to associate with a sect, wanting to be among people considered as nice/good/etc, wanting to be considered as thiests..etc.

 

That's why these difference as you explain, as the love to god is always conditional. One must see for himself that all these are ever changing, and therefore cannot be true or god.

 

When the love to god becomes unconditional is when these differences stop bothering you. And you want to help people move up in life to experience spirituality.

[Nitairam]

Hare Krishna

 

Well, are all the people having the same nature? No. Therefor, everybody is attracted to particular type of Deity. Those who are in the mode of ignorance who like to smoke and practice tantra will be attracted to worship of ghosts and spirits; those who like to get material profit and are in the mode of passion will worship a powerful person; those in goodness will usually worship Sarasvati, Siva, Brahma, Indra, Candra etc. - the demigods.

 

The highest form of worship is obviously the worship of Krishna or any of His incarnations. Worshiping them one can attain a transcendental position in one of the spiritual planets of the spiritual world.

 

Now, the idea of different types worship is to ultimately attain the spiritual world. E.g. the demigod worship elevates one - from desiring material benefit from particular deity - to the platform of inquiry. When one begins to inquire one can easily attain knowledge of the superiority of Krishna and Vishnu compared to demigods. This one can learn from the local brahmanas. At that time, with a proper understanding one begins to worship Krishna or Vishnu for the sake of developing bhakti, the cause of ones liberation.

 

Unfortunately, nowadays many brahmanas are degraded and don't teach their followers about superiority of Krishna and Vishnu. Rather they say that all the demigods are on equal level. This is very close to mayavadi theory. In this way the original purpose of demigod worship and the gradual elevation to Krishna and Vishnu worship is nowadays almost completely lost.

 

Still, there are four bona fide sampradays who will explain this truth and inspire everybody to rather immediately worship Krishna and Vishnu instead of going through slow gradual process for many lifetimes. IOW although in Kali yuga people's life span is very short, it is possible to go back to the association of God, Krishna or Vishnu by a very easy process of chanting Hare Krishna.

 

Please, chant Hare Krishna and be happy.

 

Nitai

[Guest guest]

God concept is a great one,though everyone in the back of their mind,subconcious minds know that all these mythological stories are just stories with no proof and no effect in day to day life believe in it,because it gives hope,like a medication to depression people wanted to create a IDOL like a GENE story to fulfill their wishes,since it gotta be better than GENE they attached stories to the IDOLS and named each god as per their wish and their school of thought attached to it,that is how the concept of GOD evolved over the years and now it has reached a stage where in people really started to believe so and so god lived so and so years ago and we all kinda cook up stories to prove the theories that so and so god has blessed us with this and that,when we all know everyone born in this world dies,has diseases,has happy days and sad days and all die and thats it,but to rationalise and to decrease crime the KARMA theory evolved which makes sense too,but again no proof for it as well.

 

That is why the theories differ but since there is no GOD he doesnt clarify it,or even if there is god or life force or nature it doesnt come in the fantasy idols and talk to people so they say you need a spiritual power to see it or feel it,and again no one has that,atleast they dont admit they dont have it which makes the nonbeliever a aethist,where as the onus is on the ones who claim it to exist rather than the nonbeliever.

But GOD concept is needed to think positive

[Guest guest]

 

we should mention about Mayavadis too. They think God's form is maya or illusion, everything that exists in this world is illusion, even the devotional activities of worshiping Vishnu is also illusion. Because they consider everything to be illusion or maya they are called Mayavadis. Their philosphy is very offensive and thus because of their offenses they cannot understand and realize the supreme Absloute truth as Paramatma or Bhagavan. Their intelligence is impure. Isopanisad say that they will go to hell because of their offenses.

 

So Gaudiyas believe Advaitins and Buddhists will go to hell for their beliefs? This is what I find offensive!

[Guest guest]

 

So Gaudiyas believe Advaitins and Buddhists will go to hell for their beliefs? This is what I find offensive!

 

 

Dont worry,no one knows for sure who is going to hell or heaven,after you die you are cremated and thats it.Just because its written in so and so book that so and so goes to heaven and so and so goes to hell doesnt assure anything.Its all fabricated according to ones thoughs and thinking that arises out of creativity in the human brain,which makes it look like real and we all do know there is nothing to see or feel as Visnu or Shiva.Where are they just in case they exist?Ask them to come like how Visnu appeared to kill Hiranya,no one would come cause there is no one

[Guest guest]

 

Dont worry,no one knows for sure who is going to hell or heaven,after you die you are cremated and thats it.Just because its written in so and so book that so and so goes to heaven and so and so goes to hell doesnt assure anything.Its all fabricated according to ones thoughs and thinking that arises out of creativity in the human brain,which makes it look like real and we all do know there is nothing to see or feel as Visnu or Shiva.Where are they just in case they exist?Ask them to come like how Visnu appeared to kill Hiranya,no one would come cause there is no one

 

hell is a state of consciousness, all advanced spiritual masters teach this. They teach that it is a state one who dies in a bad mental condition, can find themselves in IN the Astral Plane, for periods after one departs from the body. It's like a purgatory for those with bad karma.

 

Religious stories of hell that appear in Buddhist and Hindu stories, must be intepreted with understanding of the metaphysical. It's not like there is a literal Satan poking people in the butt with a hot pitchfork. The astral body is made up of mind, intelligience and ego, and the descriptions must be understood with this in mind - that really, the suffering is a mental condition.

 

Near death experiencers sometimes report hellish encounters - but they also report that the people suffering are in some sort of a deluded state, where they don't appear to know exactly what is going on; like they are in some sort of hellish dreamscape. This deluded state is caused by the outplaying of their negative thoughts and memories. Their fears and anxieties are being realized before them in astral visions. Ultimately this is a purging that is going on.

 

And no buddhists like HH the Dalai Lama will not be going to hell just because he does not worship Vishnu/Krsna. That's nothing but propaganda. Actually Tibetan Buddhists have a lot of understanding of the astral world, and the Tibetan Book of the Dead describes how to succesfully journey thru this world, without being sucked into the lower astral realms.

[Guest guest]

 

hell is a state of consciousness, all advanced spiritual masters teach this. They teach that it is a state one who dies in a bad mental condition, can find themselves in IN the Astral Plane, for periods after one departs from the body. It's like a purgatory for those with bad karma.

 

Religious stories of hell that appear in Buddhist and Hindu stories, must be intepreted with understanding of the metaphysical. It's not like there is a literal Satan poking people in the butt with a hot pitchfork. The astral body is made up of mind, intelligience and ego, and the descriptions must be understood with this in mind - that really, the suffering is a mental condition.

 

Near death experiencers sometimes report hellish encounters - but they also report that the people suffering are in some sort of a deluded state, where they don't appear to know exactly what is going on; like they are in some sort of hellish dreamscape. This deluded state is caused by the outplaying of their negative thoughts and memories. Their fears and anxieties are being realized before them in astral visions. Ultimately this is a purging that is going on.

 

And no buddhists like HH the Dalai Lama will not be going to hell just because he does not worship Vishnu/Krsna. That's nothing but propaganda. Actually Tibetan Buddhists have a lot of understanding of the astral world, and the Tibetan Book of the Dead describes how to succesfully journey thru this world, without being sucked into the lower astral realms.

 

Well this theory is gonna be ridiculed by ISKONIS who firmly believe Visnu is the only way.

But overall there is no proof for what happens after one is dead,just because it makes sense that people who sinned would suffer doesnt mean it is happening,there is no proof of the existence of soul,the brain controls every action and thought process so once a person is dead the brain is dead,after his body is cremated there is absolutely no way the brain is going to function or emit energies and show so and sos soul is suffereing.

Religion was created so that people wont hurt each other,but that doesnt mean all stories are true.Especially the fantasies cooked up by Prabupada or Christians or Pilot Baba(seeing 6000 yr old Aswathama).

You dont need these fantasies to be a good person,its basic courtesy to be ethical ,but that doesnt mean u should be terrified by Narasimha to tear u apert or Krsna that he will curse u to eternal hell or to pray Visnu to grant Mukthi.

[Guest guest]

 

Well this theory is gonna be ridiculed by ISKONIS who firmly believe Visnu is the only way.

 

they believe Vishnu is the only way to Vaikuntha, but if they believe the Bhagavad Gita, they will no he is not the only way to the celestial worlds of the demigods. in other words, non-Hare Krishna's do not automatically go to the hellish planets.

 

 

 

But overall there is no proof for what happens after one is dead,just because it makes sense that people who sinned would suffer doesnt mean it is happening,there is no proof of the existence of soul,the brain controls every action and thought process so once a person is dead the brain is dead,after his body is cremated there is absolutely no way the brain is going to function or emit energies and show so and sos soul is suffereing.

 

there is proof of the soul. check out this site where thousands of testimonies are given on people who have experienced themselves as conscious beings outside their bodies:

 

near-death.com

 

 

You dont need these fantasies to be a good person,its basic courtesy to be ethical ,but that doesnt mean u should be terrified by Narasimha to tear u apert or Krsna that he will curse u to eternal hell or to pray Visnu to grant Mukthi.

 

 

There is no eternal hell teaching in hinduism, we believe in reincarnation, until one obtains moksha. Eternal hell is a fundamentalist christian teaching, and not even a teaching of Judaism. Please don't confuse religions.

[Guest guest]

 

they believe Vishnu is the only way to Vaikuntha, but if they believe the Bhagavad Gita, they will no he is not the only way to the celestial worlds of the demigods. in other words, non-Hare Krishna's do not automatically go to the hellish planets.

 

 

 

So where are the Hellish planets?

 

 

there is proof of the soul. check out this site where thousands of testimonies are given on people who have experienced themselves as conscious beings outside their bodies:

 

near-death.com

 

 

question is whether u know about soul or not,not testimonies of people who r halucinating?

 

 

 

 

There is no eternal hell teaching in hinduism, we believe in reincarnation, until one obtains moksha. Eternal hell is a fundamentalist christian teaching, and not even a teaching of Judaism. Please don't confuse religions.

 

Then what about the curse on Aswathama that he will rot until eternity?What about the hell where people r fried as per Bagavatham?Im not confusing religions,ISKCON sounds like a fundamentalistic religion to me and tell me if it doesnt sound that way to u.If Krsna is the only supreme god dont u think thats fundamentalistic idea?

[gopal_deo_sharma]

All of you are either morons or never came in touch with vedic shastras.... Jaye Shri Raam.

 

Now read very carefully because this word are told by a Mahapurush.

 

Everything operates under one rule that is to serve Ananda.

Everything is a part of one supreme entity..."Brahm" (not to be mixed up with Brahma"

 

The energy has three main characteristics 1.Maaya 2.Jeev and 3.Bhagwan

Maayaa being an inanimate characteristic and is always changing....your body and mind are also the part of this maayaa.

 

2.Jeev on the other hand is chetan meaning it has the feeling it exist. It is not intelligence but a group of feelings. No matter how much will it try to find bliss from maayaa it can never find it because it has a opposite character. Jeev tatwa always remains under maayaa and can get rid of it by the Kripa shakti of Bhagwan.

 

3.Bhagwan the supreme character.The controller of all these and that.Nothing can be as powerful as him nor can be more powerful than him.From him Shrishti or recreation occurs he maintains it and on Mahapralay all these mix into him and again is created. Lord Brahma, Vishnu, Maheshwar are the authority figures.They are the creator, controller and destroyer of shristi. Lord Krsna is truely Brahm and only his bhakti can let us to eternal bliss because we are chetan and he is chaitanaya.

 

All this characteristics of one energy are eternal meaning they are never created nor can they be destroyed.

 

Veda is the eternal rule book.

 

All the karma dharma that ved says are for social peace so that one can perform Bhakti.

 

If one does not perform bhakti then one should perform karma dharma or what ever one will do will be a disturbance in the social structure and thus a disturbance to bhakti and henceforth will be punished and will have take birth either in 84 lakh species of living beings or goto hell (depending on ones paap and punnya). Doing only karma dharma and no bhakti will get one to heaven and or 10 other Loks. Punishments and rewards for actions done with and in maayaa are all temporary.Ved says one who wants to got to hell is a paapi and the one who wants to go to heaven is a big fool.

 

Got querry email gopal_deo_sharma@.co.in

[Guest guest]

 

So where are the Hellish planets?

 

In you, and in the universe. Hindus view the body as a fractal of the universe, and so when you travel inwards in the body, through the chakras which are other dimensions of consciousness, you're also travelling outwards to other realms in the universe. May be difficult for you to understand, but there is a scientific theory that posits there are more than 4 dimensions to our universe (4 being 3 dimensions of space and time). In fact, there may be 10 or 11 dimensions, and this makes it possible for it to be a reality. String theory unites quantum theory and general relativity, and mathematically makes sense. The only issue is, it's a non-falsifiable theory at the moment and as such is being heavily debated. However eminent physicists such as Brian Greene and Stephen Hawking are proponents of string theory, so it is not simply a fringe theory to be so easily dismissed.

 

 

 

[gopal_deo_sharma]

Lord Shri Krsna is the true LORD and all the others are his swaans (Brahma,Vishnu, Maheswar etc as per vedic scriptures).

 

Any other form provided outside the vedic scriptures are just a manifestation of people in an unstable society looking for strong social management guru (could have been provided by lord).

[Guest guest]

 

Lord Shri Krsna is the true LORD and all the others are his swaans (Brahma,Vishnu, Maheswar etc as per vedic scriptures).

 

Any other form provided outside the vedic scriptures are just a manifestation of people in an unstable society looking for strong social management guru (could have been provided by lord).

 

What Vedic scriptures are you talking about? The Puranas are not the Vedas. How can Vishnu be a swaan of Krishna, when Krishna was an incarnation of Vishnu?

 

If you want to go by what the Vedas say, then in the samhitas 'Indra' is the main god and in the Vedanta, the ultimate reality 'Brahman' is supreme, with all the gods being manifesations of Brahman.

[gopal_deo_sharma]

 

What Vedic scriptures are you talking about? The Puranas are not the Vedas. How can Vishnu be a swaan of Krishna, when Krishna was an incarnation of Vishnu?

 

If you want to go by what the Vedas say, then in the samhitas 'Indra' is the main god and in the Vedanta, the ultimate reality 'Brahman' is supreme, with all the gods being manifesations of Brahman.

 

Indradeo is not lord he is the king of devatas meaning being of swarga, controllers of elements as seen by today's morons...but they cannot control the maayaa shakti but are the master of its certain properties mainly stated by the dev's name...Dev's are also part of maayaa and are not eternal ... Sorry! about lord Vishnu I typed in wrong ... he is parah brahma but he cannot perform leelas...

[gopal_deo_sharma]

Puranas are the Bhaw Prakash of the Veda

[Guest guest]

 

Indradeo is not lord he is the king of devatas meaning being of swarga, controllers of elements as seen by today's morons...but they cannot control the maayaa shakti but are the master of its certain properties mainly stated by the dev's name...Dev's are also part of maayaa and are not eternal ... Sorry! about lord Vishnu I typed in wrong ... he is parah brahma but he cannot perform leelas...

 

From what I had heard Indra is the most praised and king of all devatas and was the closest to the idea of supreme god in the Vedas. He has the most mantras associted with him.

 

And Vishnu was a friend of Indra, but not the main god of the Vedas, he was a minor god. Vishnu becomes the main God in the later, vaishnavite puranas.

 

I hear Hindus saying different thing about what the Vedas teach, but I don't think most Hindus have studied the Vedas.

[gopal_deo_sharma]

 

From what I had heard Indra is the most praised and king of all devatas and was the closest to the idea of supreme god in the Vedas. He has the most mantras associted with him.

 

And Vishnu was a friend of Indra, but not the main god of the Vedas, he was a minor god. Vishnu becomes the main God in the later, vaishnavite puranas.

 

I hear Hindus saying different thing about what the Vedas teach, but I don't think most Hindus have studied the Vedas.

 

If Lord Vishnu isn't the parah brahm then why would the devtas including Indra seek "Raksha" from him during samudra mantan...first to take incarnation as Kurma avatar ...secondly, as mohini in order to prohibit the Assurs from drinking the amrit....

 

Even veda says that brahma, lord shiva was created from him...

 

And what with the anti-hindu mentality u are showing ....

 

The mantras that fall under the Karma dharma richas are mostly about Indra dev because performin karma dharma rewards one to go to heaven and since King of Swarga is Indra Dev all the 80,000 mantras of karma dharma richas point to him......

 

What makes u think that god needs to make himself immortal by drinking amrita and can also loose wars from assurs....

 

Mahabharat: Indra Dev appologize to lord Krsna after the Goverdhan leela is performed by Lord krna.

 

Indra dev even asked lord vishnu to bless him with the most beatiful woman "Urvashi"...now this is work done by a soul trapped under maaya....lord is not trapped under maaya....

 

Puranas are Bhaw Prakasha of the Vedas....Brahma himself said after "Manthing" the veda that Bhakti of Lord Krsna is the only way one can defeat maaya.....

 

Bhakti is the most easiest sadhna one can perform henceforth only 20,000 richas for Bhakti and Gyaan marg:smash:

[Guest guest]

 

Hare Krishna,

...

Very true and I agree with you , but my question here is that even after knowing this why we quarrel, why does one simply try to prove one's theory to be right or wrong. eg: you find these Shaivaits always quarelling over vaishnavaits over the supremecy of Shiva over visnu or the vice versa, well both have thier own scriptures to do that. And then when it comes to a new person who wants to know about both of these lines of teaching and wants to follow the right path he or she will surely be confused and would remain rather in the original position .

 

hari hari bol

 

I think there are two reasons people argue in religious matters:

 

1. The person intensely believes in the truth of something and also believes that the lack of this understanding of truth is cause for misery at some level, that can or should be avoided.

 

2. The person has formulated a pathway for life based on a certain belief system. While the truth of the belief system is unknown, the psychological investment made by the person is great. Even without the spiritual drive, this can take on a "me and mine" possessive character, and our argument can amount to a struggle to safeguard our possessions.

 

Typically when we argue over philosophy, it indicates category 2 argument, which reveals our ignorance and our unwillingness to admit it. We do not wish to admit even the slightest possible error in our beliefs (or rather those endorsed by the Gurus of our system) upon which we have founded our lives. A belief system based on faith at some level must reach a dead end at this level, and if our belief in realization is correct, then that realization of Truth will alone take us beyond this level of argument.

 

On the positive side, this argumentative level is important in the beginning as it motivates us to learn of various religious paths and also to practice religion. However we would be wise to remember that while we ultimately “believe”, whether in Vedas, Gita or Guru, our arguments amount to blind telling the blind.

 

After the arguments, best to shake hands or say Namaste and encourage each other to pursue our respective paths to a common goal (which we may believe).

[Guest guest]

 

In you, and in the universe. Hindus view the body as a fractal of the universe, and so when you travel inwards in the body, through the chakras which are other dimensions of consciousness, you're also travelling outwards to other realms in the universe. May be difficult for you to understand, but there is a scientific theory that posits there are more than 4 dimensions to our universe (4 being 3 dimensions of space and time). In fact, there may be 10 or 11 dimensions, and this makes it possible for it to be a reality. String theory unites quantum theory and general relativity, and mathematically makes sense. The only issue is, it's a non-falsifiable theory at the moment and as such is being heavily debated. However eminent physicists such as Brian Greene and Stephen Hawking are proponents of string theory, so it is not simply a fringe theory to be so easily dismissed.

 

 

 

 

Don't be ignorant, do YOU know about the soul? Until you experience it yourself you can't really know in most cases as the soul is undetectable through current empirical tools of investigation, which are based on the principle right now of only 4 dimensions of space and time. However, there is circumstantial evidence to indicate these aren't mere hallucinations. There are gurus out there who can confer the experience to you through a simple touch. There are drugs out there and herbs that can also do this. Reality is not nearly as black and white as you think. There are people who aren't even dead, who witness these astral planes as the person they're caring for leaves this plane of reality, and that has been documented as well. Like I said, it's circumstantial evidence, but until science validates/invalidates string theory, discovers the existence of other dimensions, etc. all we'll have to go on is personal experience (which can constitute internal or external experiences that are localized to yourself), and circumstantial evidence by corroborating with others and reading documentations of other people's experiences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In Islam, Allah is the supreme God. In Christianity, depends on who you ask, but it's Christ or Jehova as the Supreme God. In Judaism, Yahweh is the supreme God. In Shaivite sects, Shiva is the supreme God. And yet they could be all correct, as God is all of that and more. God has a billion names, and each one is valid. Yes, I do agree with some ideas of ISKCON sounding fundamentalist, but they ascribe to a particular philosophy. They certainly don't advocate forceful conversions, or murder in the name of faith. Every sect has its own philosophy and generally adheres to it rigidly. Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, etc. are umbrella terms, encompassing groups of rigid philosophies. It's up to you to choose your path though.

 

As for Ashwattama burning in hell for eternity, that could be just hyperbole. Maybe it just means Ashwattama will burn in hell for just a very long time, before he gets another chance. I honestly don't know as I haven't read the original Mahabharata, nor the Bhagavatam.

 

You dont even seem to know Mahabaratha and ur calling me Ignorant,u see this is the problem,u havent learnt anything fully,that is y ur questioning me as a Aethist,u dont need to worry about who i m but just answer my questions,if u cant then better go learn stuff and then answer,just because u believe in GOD doesnt mean u know everything and just cause i question doesnt mean i m ignorant.Now tell me can u prove about Soul?Can u tell me y Hinduism talk about eternal suffering?No need to divert it towards other religions,i care less about them because i know nothing about other religions.So lets talk about hinduism here

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different theories abot God all are flowers of his Garden. Jaki Rahi Bhavana Jaisi,Prabhu Murat tin dekahi Vaisi. A person views God as per his belief.The true form of God is beyond description. For perception itself is an Upadhi, and so is Maya.

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Dirrerent Theories about God all are flowers of his Garden. For it is stated in Ramayana. A person sees God as per his Belief. Dwaita Adwaita, Vishistadwaita all are true. Depends on what ground(level) or bhumi you are standing on.The real nature of God cannot be described for perception itself is an Upadhi and so is Maya. Lord is beyond it.He is beyond Truth and False.Existence and nonexistence.To describe him you need to percieve and till there is a single upadhi Lord is Far away.The best way is to follow surrender and Bhakti. What yogis get after losing their existence and what cannot be percieved was tied to an Okhal by Sri Yashoda Maa by the power of Surrender and Bhakti.