Have you ever wondered why

[krishnadasa]

Its kaliyuga on the earth planet, is it the same in all other lokas ? i ever wondered about this.

 

Probabaly this is the reason , india is seeing many floods and dorughts, i mean even in other lokas this yuga must be a prevailing one.

 

Sorry, don have any scriptural referance for this, just a inquiring thought from the stupid mind.

 

Hari hari bol

[Guest guest]

since it is plausible that all races and species of life accross the entire universe will not all be born at the same time and go through the same developmental patterns, it is also plausible that they will go through their own yugas at their pace.

 

for example, whil it is kali yuga for us here on earth, perhaps some beings living elsewhere where that species is not as old or as developed as ours will be going through perhaps their satya yuga. or others more developed than us that have already undergone kali yuga are going through their satya yuga

 

to say that it MUST all be uniform kali yuga everywhere means that there is no place in the entire universe where satyam prevails. I do not believe that this is the case

[Guest guest]

dear krishnadasa,

 

what a beautiful name you have. krisha-dasa. great the one who have thought of this name.

 

in my way i see all persons as unique and has to bear the fruits and poison of the nature. if you understand the struggle you are in you shall try to eliminate that for sure. that is what this calamity is of. nothing wrong with God neither nature nor humans.

 

all are put to suffering by many things like thru - mind-physical-psychological and aswell relative thinking.

 

so the calamities in this yuga is not special as all the yugas these were there. but there were no media to expose it.

 

you can't imaging in Java islands....now and then a valcano errupts. like wise the earthquake is determined in japan often . its not special news for them . but the wise knows that its for a cause. and doesn't blame on the time. as the time cures everything . but if the mind is realted to such events then it can't come out in general and do its positive work. all should think positive out of negative thinking that is truth.

 

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[krishnadasa]

Krishna we say as Akhilandskoti Brahmanda Nayaka, meaning there are crores of millions of Universes both material and spiritual and out of these the ones which are material would certainely coexist with the similar yugas.

 

for example, whil it is kali yuga for us here on earth, perhaps some beings living elsewhere where that species is not as old or as developed as ours will be going through perhaps their satya yuga

 

The evolutionary theory u have qouted is from darwin and accoring to scriptures, human beings were never evoloved from any other creaters, everything was creatd individually by the will of the lord by Brahma. So no question of Naivity with any being in any of the Lokas eg. Manu was not evoloved he was created by the Lord

 

Ya it cant be uniform Kali everywhere , my point is there cud be some where same thing exist

 

hari hari bol

[Guest guest]

 

very truely said my friend krisha. what a nice name.

 

you are very concerned about the yuga its very nice. but can you imagine where you stand in this.

 

realise it you will not get the questions like why it is happening. we need to realise ourself .krishna shall make your path free.

 

we don't understand everything. Right. but the God in you understands everything. so just accept it as it is. we can't move a mountain.but yes we can witness.

 

God is in you. take guidence of him always. present is a great enjoyment. don't distract you are following a beatutiful path follow it. krishna in you will guide you.

[krishnadasa]

I thank you for your compliments. YA its rather very important to know where one is standing , infact more dangerous is when one thinks the dangerous death is coming nearby day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute , second by second and moment by moment.

 

Ya I m quite sure krishna will make my path free towards the path of reaching, loving and serving him.

 

Krishna is always right there inside , all the time protecting, but the question is what am I doing for him? the answer is nothing. He created this world for me, he created this body for me and on that he himself came and sat and guiding me. And I am just wandering with the monkey play around without thinking about him, without glorifying his potencies. How unfortunate is this.

 

Hari hari bol

 

[Guest guest]

 

Very nice ! what a thought . that you still think your urge to do something to 'Krishna'.

 

this very thinking itself is enough for the Great. infact you are really great in thinking this.

 

but you know you are doing a lot of things to him. you are alive to spread a message you are a messenger for him and he spreads messages thru you to this world . never think that you should do better for krishna than others.

 

krishna needs you and your love alone. just love him on you. he will love you too on you.

 

that is great happiness. there is nothing to be done in this world of greatness. we need to keep quite and watch the happenings of the greatness. that is what you can do. you will day by day realise that what you are not doing is the great help for krishna.

 

do three things if you really want to do.

 

- Thank him

- thank him

- & always Thank him for everything you get and don't get.

 

let him reveal on you and guide you always.

[aqua3]

Can I ask you what the other lokas are that you are referring to, so that I can write what I know about the kaliyuaga and its relevance? Please quote the source from where you know about the lokas or is it just hearsay?

[aqua3]

Purans talk about only 7 types of lokas, namely, Bhu loka (our world), Bhuvar loka, Suvar loka, Mahar loka, Janoloka, Tapoloka and Satya loka. They also talk about 7 types of heaven (swarg) and 7 types of hell (narag) and other lokas like pithru loka. Though we don’t have description about these 7 types of heaven and hell, Yajur veda XVII.67 (pruTivyAa--svarjYothiragAmaham) gives some idea about what this swarg is about.

 

Vedas refer to swarg or Svar Loka as the World of "Supra-Sun ".Svarga and Soorya derive their meanings from the same root. This is a world , a realm ,which is beyond the familiar rhodasi ( Heaven and earth ). This is beyond Pruthvi , anthariksham ( the interspace over which our atmposphere extends) and the celestail space ( dyauh ). Beyond anthariksham this vast space is constituted by galaxies and stars including Dhruva mandal .

 

 

The Svar Loka attained due to the accumulated Punya Karmas by the jeevas is beyond this Dyauh lokam . Svar lokam is a world , a realm with Indra as the presiding deity (Svarpathi)of this supraheavenly realm. There are many other passages referring to Svarg as a world of radiance and enjoyment . However after their punyas , which got them there in the first place, get exhausted the jeevas return with their residual karma back to earth (Bhagavad Gita). This Bhuloka is described as the only world where the jiva undergoes mixed results for mixed karma (of papa & punya). In all other worlds, the kind of body that it takes and the kind of experience it undergoes are different. This shows that the laws of this world are not applicable to other lokas

[aqua3]

Texts speak about 3 types of pralaya.

 

(1)The daily or the continuing pralaya, whereby everyday everywhere some degeneration takes place continuously. We see everyday people dying, animals dying and trees and plants dying. At the global level, some calamity occurs everyday at some part of the world. The kind of nature’s fury that Mumbai is experiencing is an example of this daily pralaya. What tsunami did also is daily pralaya. This keeps happening but seems to happen with more frequency and magnitude in this Maha kali yuga with pralaya side of mini chatur yuga happening. The worst happenings can be witnessed when the precession of equinoxes complete one full circle. (Scientists too expect drastic happenings when this takes place). That will be the time of the mini kali yuga period falling in Maha kaliyuaga. This period as per our calculation is between 11,298 AD and 12,738 AD.

 

(2) The second type of pralaya happens when the first 3 lokas (mentioned in the 1st part) get destroyed. This happens when the universe we live in collapse, which is when the galaxies collapse. According to puranas, the 1st 3 lokas are destroyed full while the 4th loka, Mahar loka is partly destroyed. This, as per our calculation, is the night kalpa of a day of Brahma deva. The world rejuvinates after the night kalpa and the next day begins for Brahma deva. Like this 50 years have been over and we are in the 1st day of 51st year of Brahma’s new creation of these 3 lokas. At the end of each day of Brahma this pralaya takes place. During this period, the last 3 lokas are intact. The Lord appears asthe young child, Balakrishna on a peepal leaf after this pralaya each time.

 

(3) The 3rd and the last type of parlaya is Maha pralaya that happens as Brahma deva completes his life time of 100 years. At this time, everything, all lokas, time, all beings, both chetanas and achetanas, all rest in the Lord in subtle form (sukshma) The Lord alone remains with jivas and matter, lying in Him undifferentiated. This goes on for an entire span of 100 years of Brahma’s life after which creation spr

 

[Subham]

Hari OM:

 

i had heard of one more Pralaya, the "Manu Paralaya", the period between the end of one Manu and the start of another, and this period is approximately one Chatur-Yuga long.

[aqua3]

Yes this is what happens after each day of Brahma deva. I will post the details of this soon.

[krishnadasa]

Its believed that the people live in all the planets, in different different forms and also in different ways, but the thing which must remain same are the vedas and the vedic body of knowledge, I hope all of you agree with as otherwse the vedas will have no significance if they change from loka to loka.

 

And then I am not quite sure whether a loka represents set of planets or a single planet, eg: vaikunta loka represents the millions of planets if so then Bhu loka has to have all the Navagrahas encircling the Sun God representing . IS it so? if not then, what planets represent the Bhuva, swaha, jana , tapa and satyam? do they have different suns or its the same sun? many questions. well coming to the topic in that case it is quite evident that Kali is prevailing in these as well (even in Moon might be). So now the question is hows the situation wud be ther.

 

what do yu think

 

Hari hari bol

 

 

 

[aqua3]

What i wrote in the mail was as per what is told in scriptures. If you believe soemthing else, well, you are free to do. All the other 6 lokas are superior to us and they have been described by various texts as 'planes of existance'. The same jivas that are born on this earth transcend to those lokas as they grow in spiritual awareness. Even there is no 'abode' called moksha. People casually use these terms as though they have understood them as told in scriptures. Moksha means liberation. Even parama padam has not been described in texts as a place as such. It is a state of cosciousness which is final. Only Kaushitaki upanishad (1st chapter)describes Sri vaikuntam in physical terms, which was later elaborated by Ramanujacharya in Vaikuntah Gadhyam. No other loka has been described in physical terms by any sruti text. Vedas are eternal and they are retrieved for mankind's sake after pralaya. At other superior levels of existance, the beings dont undergo a loss or retrieval of vedas as they are alwyas remembering them.

 

You will be surprised (!) to know that by implication, the sruti texts reveal that creation of worlds for man is the ultimate goal of creation for the jivas to get opportunities to shed their karmic balance and strive for liberation from the cycle of rebirth. If you go by what sruti says, scinece can never spot a planet with beings of some nature. Ours is the only plane of existance at the physical level, and to make this happen our universe has been created. The beings of other lokas live in another dimension, which can not be perceived by science, but by spiritual awakening. This is what sruti texts reveal.

[krishnadasa]

can you please let me know whether Bhur - Loka consists of only one planet or a set of planets? this will clear all the rest

 

Hari Hari bol

 

[krishnadasa]

You have certainely a profound knowledge of different shruthis and the texts written there, but about the lokas the more detailed view can be found in a scripture called Brahma Samhita, where in every lokas has been defined perfectly. Moreover if you read bhagavatham there are also you can find the explanations in one of the cantos. I can give you the detailed explanations if you want.

 

But mybasic question here is as i have written already whether this Bhu loka represents only earth or all other navagrahs like budha, shukra shani and so on

 

Hari hari bol

 

[aqua3]

If you have information on what constitutes Bhuloka from Brahma samhita and Bhagavatham, please do give them. Such information must have already answered your question.

 

But from Taiitriya upanishad and the verses from Yajur veda which I have quoted, it is being said that Bhuloka constitutes prithvi, that is the land mass that we stand on. From outside the atmosphere, anthariksham begins where is embedded the galaxies and Dhruva mandalam.

 

It is being said that it is not right to view these worlds in our dimension. Taittriya upanishad says, Bhu loka is agni tattwa, Bhuvar loka is vaayu tattwa and Suvar loka is adhitya tattwa. The First chapter of this upanishad details the first 3 lokas in different ways. It is difficult to comprehend them all and say 'yes, this is this.' Because, they all can be explained at nearly 7 levels in accordance with the person's spiritual understanding.

 

Taiittriya upanishad says differently like this:

Prithvi is agni, therefore Bhu. Since vayu is said to be Bhuvar,the atmosphere is bhuvar. But it does not say that Aditya or Sun is Suvar. It is swarga which is suvar loka. Whereas Aditya is Maholoka. Tai upa says that a sage by name Mahasamasya showed us the Maholoka. Beyond this, lokas are not talked about. Only the Jiva's transcendance is talked about, through annam, pranam, manas, vijyanam and aanandham which is the Ultimate.

 

Coming to lokas, Tai upa also says prana is Bhu, apaana is Bhuvar, vyaana is suvar and annam is maholoka. Bhu is agni, bhuvar is vayu, suvar is adhitya and Maholoka is Chandra!! Here one should not take the meaning as moon. Chandra is mano kaaraka who is responsible for thinking, thoughts. This passage is interpreted as thus.

 

Bhu is agni and since our body itself is agni (The explanation for this will run into a long mail. Suffice it to say that the word sharira is a sanskrit derivative of a term which means a place where yajna by agni is being continuously done (source : Garbhopanishad). Added to this is the agni Vaisvanara, the Lord Himself who is residing in the body. - refer BG and Braham sutras for details),life in this body is Bhu.

 

Since Bhuvar is vayu and is in anthariksham, the life after death, when prana as vayu continues to live is Bhuvar. Our life shuttles in between these two levels for most time. If one escapes to the 3 rd level, that is a place of Adithya, that is supposed to be Swarga.(whether swarga is a a state of existance or a material plane has been discussed by me in many mails in another group a few years ago.I will probably reproduce them at an appropriate time). One survives in mind level at Maholoka.

 

Texts say that upto this level (4 th level partially) pralaya affects the equilibrium. This implies that all the visible universe comes within the 1st 3 levels.

Taii upa also says that Bhu is Rik veda. Bhuvar, sama veda, suvar yajur veda and maho, Om-kara.

 

By and far the bhu loka alone is perceivable by us. It is where the jivas exist in physical form as sharira.The texts that I have quoted are silent on what you have asked. By implication i deduce it to be the prithvi, the land mass that was once lifted by varaha and by purport, I consider Bhu to be a state of existance in sharira.

 

I have another reason to say this. If you have read my mail on Mars being the son of Earth in this forum, I have brought out how another manvanthra continues at another plane, in a changed group of company of planets and another sun itself. The Bhu can not be changing from time to time. Hence I consider that physical existance anywhere (in any manvanthra or kalpa) is Bhu, and not necesarily the accomapnying celetial planets.

[krishnadasa]

May I know where exactly do these navagrahas fit? in which lokas they belong to? in brahma samhita its given in the following way

 

First Material world till the point of Satya loka or Brahma loka

Secondly starts the Brahma jyothi which is called as supreme brahman, which is nothing but the outer effulgance of the supreme lord's form

Thirdly the world which is after brahma jyothi is Vaikunta LOKA which consists of innumerable planets and every planet has got a form of the Supreme lord to be residin diety such as Keshava , madhava and so on (especially in the order of achamana mantras ) and in these the most prominant is Krishna loka where the Lord dwells with his consort radharani and the other gopis. Still lots of knowledge is prseneted there as told by the Lord Brahma.

 

But nowhere mentioned are the information regarding the navagrahs

 

 

hari hari bol

 

 

[krishnadasa]

visist the fóllowing site for the reference of the lokas till the vaikunta and also the goloka or krishna loka in brahma samhit. I will comeup with the references in bhagavatha later.

 

http://www.krishna.com/e-books/Sri_Brahma_Samhita.pdf

 

Hari hari bol

 

 

[aqua3]

Navagrahas are talked about in Jyothisha, not in sruti texts. These grahas change from time to time as even Dhruva mandala changes from manvathra to manvanthra. But what continues is the existence in sharira, in physical terms. Even among the navagrahas, early texts do not include Rahu and Ketu. Mandhi which was included then has been given up now. Their relevance is something else and not to be mixed with lokas. (Pl read my mails under Nadi astrology)

 

You have written in your post the three levels, one, the lokas upto satya loka and the other you have written is about transcendance of Jiva. The last one is about how to view them in spiritual and meta-physical terms.

 

For your quote on Brahma samhita, I request you to read my recent mail “Holy books”. If you still have doubts, you are free to tell me. Please go to the following link to read more on how lokas are described.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:tgRnV5mUGTEJ:www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/lo-lz.htm+derivation+of+the+sanskrit+word+loka&hl=en

[krishnadasa]

Navagrahas are talked about in Jyothisha, not in sruti texts

True, but they exist in the solar system right? so to which loka do they belong to, and i am quite sure there are people lving out there as well.

 

For your quote on Brahma samhita, I request you to read my recent mail “Holy books”. If you still have doubts, you are free to tell me. Please go to the following link to read more on how lokas are described .

 

Guess Brahma samhita is books of the books as it was told by the greatest devotee and the creator brahma himself. This was PRESCRIBED by Lord Sri Krisha Chaitanya _(incarnation of Lord Visnu - as confirmed by Srimad Bhagavatha)