Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Krishna asked arjuna to do his duty and be responsive to the role he carried himself for. The point you bring about are the delusions krishna was helping weed out for arjuna. Read BG and learn to do service. Do service wherever you see brutality and poverty. Help the needy, children or whoever. When you get demotivated in service, if ever, again read BG. If you feel energised and motivated in service also, you may read BG. If you do so, delusions like this might then vanish from even the distant horizon for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalpana Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 ========== >>>Thank you for clarifying and exposing that you are here not to learn ============= what is here to learn othr than ' ...once upon a time there was a god named .....' is this what learning means? ================= >> speculation based on mlechchha(barbarian) literature called bible is rejected. =================== this is how krishna taught u guys to speak about somebody's faith? so shame on that culture! ============== >>Lord Krishna is GOD. =============== another speculation? wher is the evidence? ============== >>Everybody pays for their sins and wrong choices(free will). So some die in accidents, some die in war, some due to diseases, some due to old age, some in the womb only and so on. Only Lord Krishna(GOD) knows about each soul. ================ addition: some are killed by the so called LORD too right? =============== >>Free will given by Lord Krishna so that we will learn to use it responsibly. This world is a training ground before we go to Heaven. This is the purpose of this world. We do mistakes and get punished. This way we know that we are wrong. ================ then why he gave free will? he could just- dont give us free will sothat we dont sin. thus everyone should reach your heaven ... logic!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalpana Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 ========== >>Lord Krishna has no material body, HE is transcendental to everything we see. ========= then it would hav been difficult for his mother to feed him. because she would have to assume that her child is here and put the food somewhere in the air i think. also while flirting, the milkmaids would have assumed his presence. i appreciate the way he has done without a material body. ================== >>All the actions of Lord which you misunderstand are done to attract every good person to HIMSELF. ================ all those brutal violence were made to attract you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so sad . it makes me cry. is there no another possible way we can attract people? if binladen say one day tha he killed all those innocents for attracting someone, what would you do? worship him? he also has 100 reasons for killing just as you guys say. ================ >>Only when the minds of sinful beings like you are attracted towards Lord Krishna(GOD) would there be purification of hearts, not by praying to dead human being born through nmarried underaged girl. ================= now you have been exposed by your own abusive mentions abt mary and jesus. i think this is wht u have obtained from your gita? addition: you r saying that everyone who is not attracted to krishna is unpurified heart. may i ask "is your heart purified inspite of bein attracted towards krishna?" note: your reference to mary and jesus. dont you know any othr than the hare-krishnas who are virtuous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalpana Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 ========= >>.......and yet you fools act and ask questions.... ============ excellent addressing for me. reveals what you have learnt from your scriptures. ============ >>kshatrita means one who protects innocent from harm. ======== that were all the social feudalisms that existed at the time the mythologies were composed. that does not form any sort of excuse for a god to induce killing and widespread losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalpana Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 ============= >>Hey Kiddie! You need to behave otherwise be ready to be spanked. ========== haaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa temper temper this also in gita? ============ >>You know kiddie, police have to catch thieves, robbers, criminals and put them behind bars or even beat them if necessary. ========== nice example source? gita? ===== thieves: do they include butter thieves also? robbers: do they include the robber who takes away the clothes of bathing women to see them naked? criminals: do they include the criminal who killed his uncle for kingdom and power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalpana Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 ======== >>Read BG and learn to do service. ========= yes, for sure. one should also try harry-potter,beauty and the beast etc. forgive me if i am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 "yes, for sure. one should also try harry-potter,beauty and the beast etc." it is you who is asking about krsna.. so if you have interest, read the gita.. if you have no interest about krsna and you are only interested in quarrelling, do not read... there's no need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 what is here to learn othr than ' ...once upon a time there was a god named .....' is this what learning means? There is much to learn if you drop your barbarian teachings and start to see without prejudice the teachings of Gita. this is how krishna taught u guys to speak about somebody's faith? so shame on that culture! Let me ask you the same question. Were you taught yhe way to abuse Krishna and HIS teachings even without understanding it. When you are here abusing our faith do not expect respect for yours. >>Lord Krishna is GOD. =============== another speculation? wher is the evidence? This is your speculation. Lord Krishna is GOD because HE is GOD. You are not capable to know this TRUTH. addition: some are killed by the so called LORD too right? So what.. Infact it is Lord Krishna who decides the death of every living being. You would not understand even if taught the right knowledge because of your blind hatred for anything that does not fit your primitive false religion or faith of yours. then why he gave free will? he could just- dont give us free will sothat we dont sin. thus everyone should reach your heaven ... logic!!! Explained already. Free will essentially brings our nature to us. Ultimately it is for our good. Whining like a child cannot help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 then it would hav been difficult for his mother to feed him. because she would have to assume that her child is here and put the food somewhere in the air i think. Lord Krishna can do whatever HE wants and can accept anything offered to HIM with love. also while flirting, the milkmaids would have assumed his presence. i appreciate the way he has done without a material body. Prejudice and hatred. This was explained before. This is one of the ways HE attaracts the minds of souls toward HIMSELF. Since HE has no body HE does not have lust too. Whatever you accuse of HIM is your prejudice and hatred. now you have been exposed by your own abusive mentions abt mary and jesus. i think this is wht u have obtained from your gita? This is plain fact. Praying to dead people is of no use and it is plain foolishness. As for Gita, IT teaches not to worship anything other than GOD(Lord Krishna), especially to ghosts and spirits of dead people. vedas also prevent people from praying to false gods not mentioned by Vedas. addition: you r saying that everyone who is not attracted to krishna is unpurified heart. may i ask "is your heart purified inspite of bein attracted towards krishna?" note: your reference to mary and jesus. dont you know any othr than the hare-krishnas who are virtuous? The meaning is only Lord Krishna can purify hearts. Until we surrender fully, this will not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 What's real is your actions/service. Think of the child born with no perceptions at all & full of joy. And then the continous conditioning which commences there-on to shroud it with a false feeling of perceived self, than the real self it was born with. Your writing are full of perceptions currently. Right, wrong, good, evil, beautiful ugly, nice-not nice etc. Tell you, these perceptions from you is not YOU, the opinions from these perceptions is not YOU. The continous changes in these perceptions in your mind is also not YOU. It's a waste of time to associate oneself so much with such perceptions in the context of self-realization & god. Self-realization requires a solid foundation of spirituality. Foundation based on perceptions & it's constantly changing nature might lead you elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 excellent addressing for me. reveals what you have learnt from your scriptures. Nope from your dull intellect and simple observation of this fact. ============ >>kshatrita means one who protects innocent from harm. ======== that were all the social feudalisms that existed at the time the mythologies were composed. that does not form any sort of excuse for a god to induce killing and widespread losses. Now this you call speculation dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 ============ >>You know kiddie, police have to catch thieves, robbers, criminals and put them behind bars or even beat them if necessary. ========== nice example source? gita? ===== thieves: do they include butter thieves also? robbers: do they include the robber who takes away the clothes of bathing women to see them naked? criminals: do they include the criminal who killed his uncle for kingdom and power? Remember your quote where eyou accused us of abusing other faiths and yet you indulge yourselves in this here. Perhaps your bible teaches you not only to abuse other faiths but also to act like a hypocrite which all christians are just like your jesus. This jesus claimed that one will go to hell if he calls another a fool etc., and yet in one instance he calls Jews who did not accept his fake teachings as a fool. Talk about hypocricy, it runs in christians from their fake god. Perhaps in your perverted barbarian scriptures called bible, they call a child(less than 8 years) taking butter from home without the knowledge of mother or aunts as thief. a child(less than 8 years) stealing dresses as robbers and killing of a criminal like Kamsa(who killed the entire families and innocent people) as a criminal too. In that case we should ban laws giving death sentence to serial killers etc. Nice perverted logic. Go on exposing your umlimited hatred christianity teaches you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 another speculation? wher is the evidence? Existence of anything is known through direct observation and experience. Not through having one to one discussion with anybody. So asking for logical proof is nonsense, especially for GOD. There are great saints in India from Ramanuja, Namdev, Tukaram, Madhvacharya, RaghavendraSwamy and so many others who all lead a spotless life and in all their life they affirmed that Lord Krishna(Lord Visnu) is GOD which is in agreement with Vedas. This can be a staring point for you to know if you are really interested. If you are here just to abuse because of your shaken or weak faith in some mlechchha religion and think that by abusing Vedic religion your faith will increase it will not happen, because your mlechchha faith, no matter what it is, is inherently false. How can a guy who died and cannot help himself be GOD ? How can he save others when he cannot save himself ? How can a guy with body and born through an unmarried underaged woman be called GOD ? This is blasphemy Talking about mythology, a child is born to an unmarried girl. Later christians weave a mythology aroung this mythic figure that some ghost made her pregnant. We have such stories in America where teenage women blame pregnancy on unseen ghosts. How is the fake story of this jesus' virgin birth any different than the claims of these teenage Americans about ghosts. Then we have walking over water, raising Lazarus. This guy is dead again and died twice. I see this story as very stupid. The poor guy had to die twice so that jesus can show off his fake powers. Anyway this is all mythology. Talk about raising from dead of jesus. The gospels is full of contradictions even in this part of story. This shows bible is all man made mythology and yet these hypocrite christians will blame others of following mythology even without doing any study. All of this shows a christians hypocritic nature jesus was following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjuna Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 one should also try harry-potter,beauty and the beast etc. forgive me if i am wrong. Why are you being so ignorant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Thanks, Prabhu, we need that benevolent kshatriya spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viji_53 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Death is certain for the born and rebirth is inevitable for the dead. So when Arjuna thought he was killing his own people Krishna told him the Gita. He told Arjuna even if he did not fight all those people would be dead. As a kshatria he was asked to do his duty. The war was between Dharma & Adharma. God is on the side of Dharma. So dharma has to win. So He advises Arjuna to do his destined duty with out thinking about the consequences.Do your duty with out expecting any fruit from it. God is omnipotent & omnipresent. He takes care of His devotees! HariBhol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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