Do you want to live Eternally?

[hoLkaPoLka]

If I told you I had the wisdom for eternal life in this physical body, would you ask for it?

 

(Ill be here)

[Arjuna]

I would say, why would I want to live eternally in this transient world? The atman, my true self, has always been and always will be. When this garment is shed I should like to merge with brahman [bg. 2:72].

[hoLkaPoLka]

then why dont you kill yourself?

[Arjuna]

In this universe, according to the Gita, there is the concept of dharma, or duty/conduct. The dharma of all people is to render service to the Supreme, Krishna and advance from the cycle of rebirth through this. However, people become so immersed and obsorbed in the material world that they resort to thinking in a material manner and look for peace in material things which are transient. If you understand dharma you will have the answer to your question. The Gita verse below may apply to you.

[Arjuna]

The ignorant will ask such things as you have. In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna teaches Arjuna about the transient body and the eternal self. People who do not see believe this means that people can go about killing anyone since their true selves are not the body. They will ask, as you have, - "then why not kill such and such if this is so". I would advice you to study the Bhagavad Gita and like Arjuna become the student to it's teachings.

[krishnadasa]

For the nonexisisting (thats what you cant percieve by your material sensese) there is no ENDURANCE and for the existing there is always death!!

 

Hari hari bol

 

[Guest guest]

 

If I told you I had the wisdom for eternal life in this physical body, would you ask for it?

 

(Ill be here)

 

 

Talk about bribing others. This is the greatest bribe or false promise these christians provide to fool others.

 

This shows clearly that jesus and/or christianity bribes people with this eternal material life false promise just like "you will get a great amount of money" etc. all such material promises.

 

This further confirms that christianity is completely about material things and has nothing to do with spirituality in reality.

 

This is the fruit(bribe with eternal life in this body nonsense) of ths material religion called christianity, and by jesus own standards falsehood of this religion is exposed.

[barney]

You do not know Jesus or Krishna. Whay you know is what you have been told by your Pastors or Priest. Jesus was Jew and he did not come to start a new relgion called Christanity but to rform the old religion whis was then called Judaism. The Jewish religious book or scroll was the sacred words of their prophets. Jesus attempted to help the Jewish pesants by translating the scriptures of the OT in his own way which angred the Jewish elders and chief priest and that caused his arrest and crucification,

 

His friends or folowers as you Christians called are the rebels of the Jewish religion. They after the death of Jesus started a new cult under their leaders name and called it Christanity. This new cult did not make it in the country of its origin but later spread to other parts of the world through word of mouth and concocted stories. There was no proven miracles of Jesus but only hearsay just like the Muslim hadith. The Bible was in fact put to test by well known reachers and even the so called shroud was found to be a fake.

 

I do not have the intention of belittling Christianity or Islam but when situation arise I would speak the truth about this two religion without fear. Many a times I had open disscussion and debate with Christans and Muslims and most of the time they refuse to speak further on the issuse when they were cornered.

 

You bellieve Jesus to be of a divine birth and I would not like to shake you faith in him. As we Hindus believe God dewells is all and did HE in Jesus. And I believe him to be a kind, compassionate, desipilined and truthful person. Such persons are closer to God than any of us. But I believe he had no intention of starting any new cult but to help educate the illetrate Jewish peasants on the Jewish scriptures as at the time the elders of he religion did not think of such.

 

There is no such thing as "eternal life in this physical body". Our soul or spirit is immortal but not our physical body as it will decay after our demise. Science will tell you that when a person dies the body will start decay within 0-3 days. So, how could one have eternal life in this physical body? Do not just take the world of your pastor or priest. You have to do your own research. Ask questions yourself and find the answers with loigic. The duty of a parish priest or pastor is to win you over to their side so that they will have more fund from the parent body. And in order to receive the fund they will go to all extend to even bluff you with all sorts of riduclues stories as what the Muslim ullams are doing. Anothe things is you cannot question their authority and if you do they will say it is blashpeme. Many of you would not question them for fear of branding you.

 

But in Hinduism there is no such thing. We are free to question and you will get a logical answer to all questio regarding Hinduism. The Christians and the Muslims only have one book each to call it their holy bible but we Hindus have severl hundred books and millions of pages. From our vedas came science, astronomy, mathematics, agriculture, engineering, medicine and the way to God. So, you can see for yourself why our religion hads lasted for more than 5,000 years and will last till end of time as we know when the end will come.

 

I hope you will understand what I'm trying to say. So, do not come here with bad intention. If yo want to learn and understand Hinduism than you are most welcome here wotherwise please stay away.

 

May peace be with you.

 

I AN IN YOU

[barney]

You do not know Jesus or Krishna. Whay you know is what you have been told by your Pastors or Priest. Jesus was Jew and he did not come to start a new relgion called Christanity but to rform the old religion whis was then called Judaism. The Jewish religious book or scroll was the sacred words of their prophets. Jesus attempted to help the Jewish pesants by translating the scriptures of the OT in his own way which angred the Jewish elders and chief priest and that caused his arrest and crucification,

 

His friends or folowers as you Christians called are the rebels of the Jewish religion. They after the death of Jesus started a new cult under their leaders name and called it Christanity. This new cult did not make it in the country of its origin but later spread to other parts of the world through word of mouth and concocted stories. There was no proven miracles of Jesus but only hearsay just like the Muslim hadith. The Bible was in fact put to test by well known reachers and even the so called shroud was found to be a fake.

 

I do not have the intention of belittling Christianity or Islam but when situation arise I would speak the truth about this two religion without fear. Many a times I had open disscussion and debate with Christans and Muslims and most of the time they refuse to speak further on the issuse when they were cornered.

 

You bellieve Jesus to be of a divine birth and I would not like to shake you faith in him. As we Hindus believe God dewells is all and did HE in Jesus. And I believe him to be a kind, compassionate, desipilined and truthful person. Such persons are closer to God than any of us. But I believe he had no intention of starting any new cult but to help educate the illetrate Jewish peasants on the Jewish scriptures as at the time the elders of he religion did not think of such.

 

There is no such thing as "eternal life in this physical body". Our soul or spirit is immortal but not our physical body as it will decay after our demise. Science will tell you that when a person dies the body will start decay within 0-3 days. So, how could one have eternal life in this physical body? Do not just take the world of your pastor or priest. You have to do your own research. Ask questions yourself and find the answers with loigic. The duty of a parish priest or pastor is to win you over to their side so that they will have more fund from the parent body. And in order to receive the fund they will go to all extend to even bluff you with all sorts of riduclues stories as what the Muslim ullams are doing. Anothe things is you cannot question their authority and if you do they will say it is blashpeme. Many of you would not question them for fear of branding you.

 

But in Hinduism there is no such thing. We are free to question and you will get a logical answer to all questio regarding Hinduism. The Christians and the Muslims only have one book each to call it their holy bible but we Hindus have severl hundred books and millions of pages. From our vedas came science, astronomy, mathematics, agriculture, engineering, medicine and the way to God. So, you can see for yourself why our religion hads lasted for more than 5,000 years and will last till end of time as we know when the end will come.

 

I hope you will understand what I'm trying to say. So, do not come here with bad intention. If yo want to learn and understand Hinduism than you are most welcome here wotherwise please stay away.

 

May peace be with you.

 

I AM IN YOU

[hoLkaPoLka]

Who said Im a christian? I was baptized as orthodox (the real christian faith) and know that the other two christians divisions are lower, protestantism and katholic, they were actually the ones gaining money from people.

 

My question is based though on a finding I found. I started thinking about how a child is and how an adult is, before dying. This has nothing to do with blind faith in going to heaven. You will notice an old man is not standing up towards the sky but rather looking down.

 

I have read in yoga scriuptures that one has to hold ones neck up and not crumble. I also know that when many people practiced yoga and religion in the old days they lived longer.

 

THats all I have found out.

[Arjuna]

You just confirmed you were Christian. So who said you were so, you did.

[hoLkaPoLka]

Faith is personal

 

Anyone who can say anything conserning the modes of material nature these 2 lands are in, greece and norway?

 

Passion, ignorance or goodness?

[bhadramoorthi]

 

"...If I told you I had the wisdom for eternal life in this physical body, would you ask for it?.."

 

I am asking for it.

Now your part.

I also will be here.

[barney]

This so called ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS are now calling the Jews "Adamites" and condemning them saying that the God of Abraham was "SATAN". Read for yourself to know what these so called orthoidox christians say about the Jewish faith.

 

Chapter II - Presentation of the Rebellious Master

 

With a pretense to be such mighty and famous as the One and True God, Creator

of the Entire Universe, the rebellious master is calling himself the

"Self-subsistent", that is the "He-Who-Is", or "I Am Who Am" (Ex. 3:14), that

is the "Yhwh" or "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" (Chap.XXVI). Sometime he transfers

himself into an animal, like in the "Eden" into a reptile, the Serpent

(Chap.IV). Later on, when he acts outside the Eden, where were at hand other

animals than reptiles, he transforms himself into mammals (XXXIX), or into

witches (XLVII and XLVIII), always naming himself deceitfully, hence causing

that some people unwisely, unconsciously or premeditatedly, like Adamites, are

calling him God; Lord; Lord God; Lord God Most High etc. etc..

 

Therefore, for proper understanding of the Bible we must acquire an ability

of distinction between the True God, and the false god, and see the True One

as One Unit - The Holy Trinity, which equals with The One God Almighty, with

His Spirit, and with His Son (Gen.1:1-2; 1:26; 6:2, and Mat.28:18) in

opposition to Yahveh and his fake servants, including angels, cherubs and so

forth.

 

Chapter III - Wisdom, not designed for the Yahve's people

 

Because of imperfection of the human-like creatures, the clay-ribo-Adamites,

they cannot efficiently challenge the human beings. For removal of their

weakness, the Yahve put on them a rigorous demand: they must be deadly

obedient to him. This demand will obviously make interference into Satan's

affairs from the outside world impossible, and make only him responsible for

the deeds of his people. Knowing this is very important, for generally the

clay-people are not fully responsible for what they do.

 

Although such a blind obedience for certain purposes is necessary,

unfortunately, it is also the main obstacle in rapid realization of the

Devil's plans. Therefore, from the start, he is still far behind the True

God's plan until he will not repeal the human beings and completely resemble

them with people of his brand.

 

Consequently with the rigorous demand of blind obedience, on the SIXTH DAY OF

CREATION, in the Garden of Eden the Devil produced a special "Tree of

Knowledge", "Tree of Good and of Evil" and forbade Adamites to eat fruits from

it. Thus he subshadowed his low creativeness by the myth of "Knowledge", for

the tree simulate a powerful god who keeps many things secret before his

people so they could not decipher them. But in order to prepare Adamites for

future battles with the human beings, he made them more cunning as he is

himself. So he gave his clay- men the following lessons:

 

First session about ENVIOUSNESS AND FEAR:

 

Teaching clay-men was not a heavy task for during their stay in the Garden,

they have a chance to observe what is going on without. Although the outside

world was beyond their comprehension and makes them curious, they paid the

very obedience to their master and did what he said and stayed away from that

world. During last lesson the Yahve transformed himself into a serpent and

tempted the rib-woman to take fruits from the tree of knowledge. Thus he teach

her how to be envious and be intimidated for the Yahve is master of revenge

and not tolerates disobedience. Then he decided to end the maturation filled

with lessons and under excuse of banishment he ordered them to go to the world

of humans. When they arrived there, they learn the human's customs, start to

till the ground, to manage flocks and produce goods.

 

Second session about KILLING OF ANIMALS:

 

Also offsprings of Adam and Eve have got a lesson. The Yahve did teach them

how to overcome indisposition of humans to kill a living creature.

(Gen.4:5-7) Thus, with an excuse of doing a pleasure to Yahve, the Abel killed

an animal. Now after acquiring skillness in killing, Yahve ordered Cain to

kill his brother Abel purportedly at the whim of his parents envy. And the

Cain get an assurance of immunity against eventual punishment from the hands

of humans. And Yahve sealed that assurance by putting a mark on the Cain's

face by coloring it white. Making it white it did enable Cain to marry a

daughter of a human being, hence to get a white and mix-colored offsprings.

Ever since then mongrels became acceptable among Almighty's people for they

were looking and acting like the Almighty's ones. Thus the Cainites have got

an opportunity to learn and share a culture of humans.

 

Third session about KILLING OF MEN:

 

Because the Yahve has realized, that mixed blood offsprings of Cain inherited

humans' skillness in producing goods, building cities, becoming musicians and

artistes too, but have a discrepancy of not killing animals or humans,

therefore he has had arranged the murder of two humans. So the Lamech,

grandson of Cain killed them. And when it had been done, the Yahve pretending

to be a god, warned the Almighty's people that if anyone will punish the

culprit, will be avenged by the Yahve himself. As we see, the clay-men were,

as they still are under special protection of their master. (XL) Because the

people of Almighty did recognize murderous abilities of the Yahve, he has a

good reason to destroy them completely. Another excuse for destroying them was

their purported "wickedness" for they have had relations with either the "sons

of heaven" or with the offsprings of Adamites from whom were born relatively

wise and noble people (Gen.6:1-5). Such a well managed social order in the

Almighty's world could not be for the Yahve's plans acceptable. Thus the Devil

decided to make a flood and to spare only one, most obedient to him, the Noah,

the Adamite.

 

Chapter IV - BREEDING PRINCIPLE OF THE DEVIL FOR THE TIME TO COME

 

(1) Long before the flood did occur, there were also grown up a pure lineage

of the clay-men. They cultivated purity of Adamic blood and sanctified it.

They were the descendants of Seth, the third son of the Adam and the Eve. In

compliance with the Devil's command, they kept interfamily sexual relations

and thus preserved purity. But it was not what the Devil needed. He changed

that policy and guided the three sons of Noah to marry the giant women, the

"Nephilimisses" in order to inject into the blood of Adamites new genes and to

obtain a new mixed race with features of wise and renown humans of the old

time past, so their offsprings could not be easy distinguished from among the

others, not from the being chosen lineages. The Yahve's experience with the

mixed lineage of Cain (see the Table "SEVENTH DAY AFTER ALMIGHTY'S CREATION"),

has teaching him something (Gen. 4:17-24). So he choose the Shem as the pure

lineage keeper under his, the Devil's watchful eyes. Mixing of humans' blood

with of that of clay-people, was also dictated by the Devil's uncertainty

about Almighty's reaction to his would be made deluge, the "Great Flood".

Also his a supposition that the Holy Trinity might create after the flood

another kind of human beings incited him to do such an interbreeding

combination.

 

In that supposition the Devil was right, for on the other side of the globe,

circa 3000 B.C. another civilizations did emerge and thrive until in 600 B.C.

the Israelites arrived and wrought a havoc there, lasting over 1400 years. The

BOOK OF MORMON attests to those calamities, especially the Book of Moroni,

Chapter 9:8-10 telling about exercised cannibalism among them.

 

(2) Introduction of inferior genes of Adamites into nephilimistic women

impaired development of their offsprings' brains so the post-deluvian people

lost their capability of properly thinking about 60 per cent. Such an

introduction in one way was necessary if Yahve's people were to be obedient to

him, but in a long run it was counterproductive. So he made further

improvement and invented equalization between humans and rivaling Adamites,

thus mustering in them a competition in believing that their obedience will

lead to an EIGHT DAY AFTER CREATION under Yahve's rule. He undoubtedly was

also hoping, that if his "revolutionary forces" would like to acquire absolute

power, then in time he will destroy them, for nobody besides him has a right

to establish dictatorship and slavery.

How the Yahve had masterminded Adamites brains did explain J. Jaynes in his

work "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind",

Boston, 1976.

 

Chapter V - First Covenant of the Yahve - slavery

 

In order to be sure that the Adamic-Seth lineage by descendants of Shem will

be kept in crystal purity, the Yahve made a covenant with them. He promised

"never again to doom the Earth because of man (Adamite), since the desires of

man's heart are evil from the start" (Gen 8:21). Good behavior of Noah has had

convinced him that his clay-people will be an efficient tool to drive the

world population into respect and dependence on him. And due to such an

outstanding covenant those clay-people felt themselves more secure and wooed

unparallel obedience to their master.

 

Pleasing more his people, the Yahve did establish slavery (Gen.9:25). His

decision to this end came at the moment when he saw the Noah drunk. In

pretension of being in a great anger, he cursed Noah's son, to whom by the way

was born a black kid named Canaan. This birth obviously disrupted new plans of

Yahve. Because of this, descendants of Ham have been appropriated into

perpetual slavery.

 

The unfortunate birth of a black grandson to Noah has had displeased the

Yahve so much that ever since then the black are spurned and humiliated, and

consequently enlisted into a family of beasts, as the Bible says: "the beasts

of the field" (Ex.19:13; Jonah 3:8). Thus the Yahve's slavery with inclusion

of Hamites into animal world have a good side effect for this brand of people

were kept afar from affairs of Shem's descendants. Thus the Yahve by accident

pulled aside almost one third of the world population from civilized nations.

 

It is a great probability, that to Abraham's son Ishmael also was born a

black child (being obviously cursed by Yahve) for up to this days have had

survived only small amount of Hebrews of black extraction (Falashas in

Ethiopia). Some of them now are living in Israel speaking Hebrew. They claim

to be descendants of Abraham and are complaining, that are treated by

Ashkenazi Jews alike the Hebrews were treated by Israelites in the past

(Exodus,Chapter 21). As the Bible says, Arabs are descendants of Ishmael.

(Gen.16:3) (VII)

 

Chapter VI - Own Yahves' breeding policy gave him a lesson

 

Unfortunately Yahve did not take into consideration that some traits of his

clay-people cannot be inherited and that white mothers may pass upon their

children the laws of Almighty, as it did happen with wives of Shem, Ham and

Japhet. Their children and grand-grand children did conduct themselves in an

unexpected ways. Simply as that, they inherited skillness of their ancestors

and have kept in their minds images of other God, than the pretended Yahve. In

result they observed laws of Almighty ardently. And Yahve took an advantage

of this and prescribed those laws for his children as an assurance that they

are as much worthy as the remnants of Almighty's people were. And stealing

those laws from Almighty, he gave them to Moses adding three precepts

(commandments) which would cement his bonds with his chosen people.

 

Chapter VII - Sad experience of Yahve with Hamites

 

Right after the "Great Deluge" the Yahve through mixed marriages has had also

mixed tongues, with one exception - the Hebrew, for as "Kabbalah" by Charles

Ponce, U.S.A, 1978 says, it is a breath of Yahve and cannot be changed. And

the task of keeping it alive has been assigned to the lineage of Shem. And

thus the Hebrew became a sanctity among other languages and a mean of

communication among Shemites for the Noah said: "Blessed be the Yahve, the god

of Shem" (Gen.9:27).

 

Whoever would find a trace of Almighty's original language of the

ante-deluvian Nephilimites, that one would get rid the myth of Hebrew. And

such a task seems to be very easy if one would eliminate insertion of the

Hebrew out from the other languages. A good candidate is Latin, for no one

knows its origin but Jesus Christ who did not scorn this language of Romans.

Another candidate is Eblaite, language of the Imperium of Ebla, existing in

the Middle East 2600 B.C. (read "The Archives of Ebla" by Giovanni Pettinato,

New York, 1981).

 

Some other task has been assigned to the lineage of Japhet. It should consists

of many nations and dwell among Shemites without ability to understand them.

Ironically enough, descendants of Ham amazingly were able to form a great

civilization under the Nimrod, with one parental language and with laws of

some other god, than the Yahve. But his occurrence coincided with Yahve's

policy of enslavement. Therefore that Nimrod's kingdom had to perish. So Yahve

send there a Shemite, called Peleg (Peleg in Hebrew means "division") who

perverted the Nimrod's world (Shinar - Sumeria) and has its unity destructed,

its language mixed and cities ruined. All of this was done in fear that

descendants of Ham being united would find a True God and their enslavement

would never be possible. (Gen.11:1- 9)

 

After downfall of Sumeria, it came a need to do the same with Babylonia. At

that time in Babylon was active a grandson of Peleg, the Terah, father of

Abraham who later on went with similar mission to Egypt. Because he could not

accomplish that what had the Peleg, he went to Syria, a half way to Canaan

(Palestine), still under occupation by Babylonians. In Syria the Yahwe ordered

Abraham to go with his sister Sarai first to Canaan. When arrived there, he

started to build altars to the Yahwe and invokes his name (Gen.12:8). To

Canaanites that had to mean that pretty soon a new order will prevail. They

simply should start a fight for independence and afterward became slaves to

the Most High God Yahwe.

 

Chapter VIII - Obedient servant Abraham in Egypt

 

Because of the insurection in Canaan caused great disorder and in result a

famine, Abraham had to depart to Egypt following instructions of Yahve. He

should arrange a wedding there, using as a bride his wife (sister) Sarai. The

groom was, of course, Pharao of Egypt. When the Pharao found out, who is the

Sarai, returned her to Abraham, for he did not want to be punished by Almighty

for committing adultery. Being happy that he did not fall into sin, the Pharao

forgave Abraham his wrong doing, did equip him with lot of goods and slaves

and sent back to Canaan. Keeping secret his relation with Sarai, he also kept

secret his Hebrew tongue although by origin he was an Aramean of Adamic

descent.

 

Since then, at the will of Yahve, such a marriage practices become religious

and political rituals allowing Shemites to mingle with other people and to

grasp their power.

 

Chapter IX - Abraham back in Canaan

 

When Abraham returned to Canaan, the fightings were almost over. Therefore he

made rounds with his slaves and conquered Babylonians very easy. For this

vigorous act, Abraham was blessed by the Hamitic priest Melchizedek, who at

this time was also the King of Jerusalem worshiping the Almighty. And Abraham

deceitfully humbled himself before the Melchizedek who rather shall be his

slave but the King and the Priest. Having nothing in store against the

Almighty,, the Yahve promised to Abraham to make his descendants uncountable

as the stars in the sky, with the help of whom he will take the Canaan into

their possession.

 

By saying: "Your descendants shall be aliens in a land not their own where

they shall be enslaved" (Gen.11:13) the Yahve did test whether Abraham's

obedience will not vanish. So he send Abraham again to Egypt where Hebrews

were never slaves. They have privileges there although Egyptians for their

religious practices treated them with abomination (Ex.8:22). Also at the time

of Abraham's grandson Moses, the Hebrews were respected paying to Pharao only

small tributes.

 

Chapter X - Second covenant and new Yahves' reproductive policy

 

Because Hebrews were dispersed everywhere, the Yahve made a change in his

previous breeding policy (IV) and now decided to gather them in the land of

generous Pharaoh, where from in masse they could be lead to conquer the

promised Canaan.

 

So, in fulfilling this new plan, the Abraham coveted an Egyptian slave and

she gave birth to Ishmael, a future founder of a great nation (Gen.16:10),

which according to the Yahve's desire would help the Hebrews to gain

power.(V)

 

Continuing development of the sacred lineage of Shem, to the 90 years old

Sarai (Sarai means "one who laugh") the Yahve gave a son Isaac, who will take

over Abraham's principles and goals: "I am making you the father of a host of

nations, kings shall stem from you" (Gen.17:5-6). And it was a very promising

covenant as an encouragement for further actions by both Abraham and Isaac in

the interest of their master.

 

And because the Yahve has had promised to make Hebrews uncountable, he also

commanded to circumcise all males of Abraham's stem with their slaves

together. The circumcision was a necessary mark for ever since the chosen

people became white and would be uncountable, they must be distinctive among

the other white people (Gentiles) so the Yahve could not miss them.

 

Chapter XI - Punishment of the chosen people for their low reproductivity

 

It was commonly known, that Adamic inhabitants of Sodoma and Gomorrah were

sodomitic and not reproductive. Therefore their master did decide to destroy

them. At the time of destruction of both cities, daughters of Abraham's

brother Lot have lost their fiances. In fear that they might become barren

they copulate with their father, by the way preserving the purity of the

Shem's lineage. Thus were born founders of Ammon and of Moab, other Shemitic

nations, which unfortunately will be fighting with the chosen Israelites of

Egypt in the struggle for power (2 Sam.8:2).

 

Chapter XII - Abraham in Philistia (Canaan/Palestine)

 

When the events presented in X and XI were over, the Abraham went into a

marriage business with the King of Philistia. He sold his wife Sarai to him.

But because the King derived from the lineage of Japhet, faithful to Almighty,

and by discovering the deceit did not want to commit adultery, sent the Sarai

back to her brother/husband while being intimidated by the strange god Yahve.

In order to please that god, he gifted Abraham with whatever he wanted. Thus

due to the King's mercifullness, as a pre-Moses commandment says: "Love their

neighbor as yourself" the Yahve's couple got a shelter in his land and were

prosperous there.

 

But disregarding existing in Philistia order they dug a well without King's

permission. That drove them into a quarrel but due to the couple's cheating

faculties they bought rights to that well so in the future they could make

claim to the entire area, and as we will see later, their descendants will do

it also.

 

Chapter XIII - A great test and an oath by the Yahve

 

Shortly after gaining rights to the well in Canaan, the Yahve decided to test

Abraham's loyalty. He commanded him to kill his son Isaac. Because Abraham was

willing to do so, the happy Yahve did solemnly swear to make descendants of

Abraham "As countless as the sand on the Sea shore" (Gen.22:17). In order to

make such a promise real, he commanded to stop begetting sisters by brothers,

allowing to begat girls by cousins only.

 

This new policy of begetting speed up the birthing process and made it much

efficient than before in reproducing the chosen people.

In effect, the Abraham urged his son Isaac to purchase his nephew's daughter

in Syria. Thus the Rebekah, with a ring in her nostrils became wife of Isaac

(Gen.24:47)

 

Chapter XIV - Most efficient breeding of Shemites

 

Abandonment of close family intermarriages was another deviation from

existing ordinance of keeping purity of the Shem's lineage, but in the face of

rapidly growing populations of Hamites and Japhetites it was a necessity.

Therefore came the promise of making Shemites "as countless as the stars of

the sky and the sand on the sea", so the plans of Yahve might be fulfilled.

 

But the new brand of Shemites, the Israelites, in time of their victories

disobeyed this "most modern breeding precept" of Yahve and were cursed

thereof.

 

Chapter XV - Abraham humbles again before inferior Hamites and a secret

reincarnation

 

As the new breeding policy goes on, Abraham bowed himself very low before

council of Hittites (Hamites), who as it was planned before, should be his

slaves than partners. He bows before them despite of his devotion to Yahve,

who ever since the Abraham appeared in Canaan was also worshiped or at last

honored by local citizens. Due to those bowings he got permission to buy a

field with a cave where he could bury his sister/wife Sarai and rest himself

there when time to come.

 

This buying was the only one clean-handed deal which Abraham made in his

entire life. Why Abraham in this particular case did not break laws of

Almighty (Gen.23:5-6) was Yahve's a covenant with Death due to which he

reincarnated his servants in secrecy (Num.20:24; 27:24; Deut.32:50 and

Luk.9:30-36).

 

Chapter XVI -Preludes for establishment of Israelites, First, Second and

Third:

 

(1) And Abraham was very rich. Fulfilling Yahve's order he sent multitude

of goods to his family in Syria where he paid for wife for his son Isaac. Her

name was Rebekah, sister of Laban ("laban" means white), nephew of Abraham.

She bore him twins - Essau and Jacob. But against Yahve's expectation, the

first born was black and hairy. Therefore he got the name "Hairy" (Essau). The

second got the name "Subplanter" (Jacob) for at the will of Yahve he would

disherit the Essau from the sacred lineage of Adamites. And it has had been

done in a deceptive manner.

 

(2) At that time in Canaan was famine caused by the force of nature (at the

time of Abraham it was caused by ressurection). And Isaac went to the same

King of Philistines to whom his father sold his sister/wife Sarai. And he

introduced Rebekah as his sister. When the King discovered that lie, became

angry for once again might it happen to him to marry a neighbor's woman and

thus all his subjects might be punished by Almighty, the God of Nephilimites,

of Humans. So the Isaac did not enter the King's court and must to till the

soil and to herd flock as long as his master, Yahve would restore his

richness. But before it did happen, the envious Philistines have kicked him

out of their country.

 

(3) In the other country, the natives forbade Isaac to benefit from a well,

which he dug there. And if Yahve would not intervene, he could not stay in

that country any longer. In appreciation of the Yahve's intervention, Isaac

built an altar to Yahve there and invoked his name all over that country.

Getting a message about this, the King of Philistines made a peace agreement

with Isaac in the name of his master Yahve, for the Yahve has already been

well known in both Philistia and Canaan. Thus the Yahve became equal with

local gods due to religious tolerance in those countries. So, unobstructed,

the Isaac could mold image and worship of Yahve there although it was not what

the master wanted.

 

Chapter XVII - Israel was founded by deception

 

In accordance of common law of that time, first born male gets inheritance.

This law could be evaded only by a will of the testator. But Isaac's first

born Essau was not suitable to inherit sacred lineage of Shemites, mainly for

the reason of having sexual relations with Hamitic women. Without counseling

with Isaac, who was influenced by righteous Hamites, the Yahve designated

Jacob to be the inheritor. He caused the unaware testator (Isaac) to bless

Jacob, instead of Essau. And the blessing became a covenant of Yahve with

Isaac: "Let people serve you and nations pay you homage; be master of your

brothers, and may your mother's sons bow down to you. Cursed be who curse you,

and blessed be who bless you". (Gen.27:29; Isaiah 60:10-16).

 

In this way the first born Essau was deprived of inheritance and did not

become founder of Israel. Instead he became founder of Edom and ever since

then the Edomites waged wars with Israelites for inheritance and for

domination over the ancient world (1 Sam. 14:47).

 

 

[maadhav]

<< If I told you I had the wisdom for eternal life in this physical body, would you ask for it? >>

 

- we cannot find even the body of jesus.

 

- all the past popes and fathers adre dead ans teh curent one will die,and their body willnot remain, except a few bones for some time. xians preserve the bodies with the hope for eternal life, but no one has risen from the dead so far in 2005 years.

 

- how you preserve your body, by going to doctors and eating cows?

 

- xian gods it seems has no capability go give new bodies, and therefore they try to keep the same body after death and occuly lands after death.

 

so considering the above what makes you think you will live eternally in your current body?

 

do you know that your body is also changing every minute?

so, it is not eternal.

 

why promise to others something that you really have not proven you have?

 

 

[hoLkaPoLka]

I believe that when one is not happy, one dies. But heck, all died right, so whats the point of hoping for it.

[Guest guest]

 

I believe that when one is not happy, one dies. But heck, all died right, so whats the point of hoping for it.

 

 

Yup. Praying dead people is not gonna help anybody. I am just referring to your erring religion.

[Sephiroth]

then why dont you kill yourself?

 

God gives life and God take life. When He gives one, it is because He has some sort of tasks for us to accomplish, even so it is a mere task of moving a stone from one place to another.

 

But, by killing yourself because you think the Soul is invincible and therefore not need to be born again, it is like throwing away the duties and tasks He has appointed us to do.

 

Some of this duties and tasks, you must do because you owe Him in pervious existence. You may not remember it but you will when you do your tasks properly accordance to His wishes.

 

By killing yourself, you are denying the completion of tasks you HAD accepted to perform but choose not to perform due to ignorance and delusion. In such way, your birth as a Human is a waste of existence.

[Sephiroth]

I believe that when one is not happy, one dies. But heck, all died right, so whats the point of hoping for it.

 

If one dies everytime he is unhappy, Man kind could have cease to exist the Day Adam and Eve brought down to the Earth (according to your religion). /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

What was the use of Adam and Eve striving despite of been abandoned by God? Your own religion teachs that Adam and Eve was abandoned by God but they didn't abandon Him. They strive hard to return back to His grace.

 

In the same way, so are we. Our souls are immortal and we have forgotten God when we take a physical form. So, just as Adam and Eve strive back to reatone for their mistake and return back to His grace, so are we trying to find our true selves and return back to God.

 

So why are you, like Satan who offered the Kingdom of Man to Jesus in the desert, have come to offer Eternal Life when we seek His accompany?

 

Who among us who is walking in true path to God?

[hoLkaPoLka]

HOw do I find out about my task? Asking is meaningless as there is no contact whatsoever. Once, when I was a child, I walked along the road in greece with a couple of friends and something struck upon me and I walked like as if automated into a butcher house where they sold meat, pig meat, and I spitted on the ground. Considering I was always a good child this is strange. Laterwards they scared me by pretending they were cutting the meat.

 

I also saw something a previous night, 2 eyes or so in the dark when I was playing hide and seek.

 

Can this be somekind of a mission?

Or how then can one realize ones obligation to God?

[hoLkaPoLka]

"So why are you, like Satan who offered the Kingdom of Man to Jesus in the desert, have come to offer Eternal Life when we seek His accompany? "

 

Because of your faith. You are willing to almost kill yourself, by this I mean, the answer has come and eternal life in this planet is possible, but still you are willing to die because of your faith. This is as suicide to me.

 

What if we advance ourselves with UFOs or other transportation possible to go to other planets and even though anti material galaxy we PASSS THROUGH the "other side" concisoussly KNOWING IT and therefor thinking of God. Wouldnt we become spirit?

 

I am interested though to learn about your type of traveling that is possible from the mind itself. sun light and so. . .

[Sephiroth]

HOw do I find out about my task? Asking is meaningless as there is no contact whatsoever.

 

Wrong ... faithful ones will have contacts with God. He sits in your heart and you will hear Him in your heart also.

 

IF your heart is silent, then it means that you are too imbuce in materialistic desire, foolishness and ignorant to the point that you are ignoring God, yet speak as if you know God. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

Once, when I was a child, I walked along the road in greece with a couple of friends and something struck upon me and I walked like as if automated into a butcher house where they sold meat, pig meat, and I spitted on the ground. Considering I was always a good child this is strange. Laterwards they scared me by pretending they were cutting the meat.

 

I also saw something a previous night, 2 eyes or so in the dark when I was playing hide and seek.

 

Can this be somekind of a mission?

 

Nope ... most likely you were a domesticated lifestock in your pervious lifetime. You could have been in state of terror when you walk on that path, and when you walk again, the feeling of unknown terror crept into you unknowingly. It happens sometimes.

 

Me? Sometimes, when I practise my swordmanship (I need to empty my mind when I do it), feelings and memories comes in when I don't think about them.

 

What I see? Mostly a green meadow with icy-top mountains in the background, flowers everywhere, blue sky with clouds here and there and a feeling that "I must find this place to lay down and die". I think I'm looking for this place once ... maybe died before I could find it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Sephiroth]

Because of your faith. You are willing to almost kill yourself, by this I mean, the answer has come and eternal life in this planet is possible, but still you are willing to die because of your faith. This is as suicide to me.

 

Sorry ... you got the wrong person ... I'm not a Muslim to be killing myself for my faith. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

Those who have faith will live and be happy, not die in meaningless deaths in order to obtain heaven - something Christians and Muslims have been doing for decades. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

What if we advance ourselves with UFOs or other transportation possible to go to other planets and even though anti material galaxy we PASSS THROUGH the "other side" concisoussly KNOWING IT and therefor thinking of God. Wouldnt we become spirit?

 

You speak nonsense ... /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Arjuna]

You are willing to almost kill yourself, by this I mean, the answer has come and eternal life in this planet is possible, but still you are willing to die because of your faith. This is as suicide to me.

 

Your Jesus was willing to die for the sins of mankind. I see no harm in dying for a worthy and righteous cause.

[holkapolka-]

 

"...If I told you I had the wisdom for eternal life in this physical body, would you ask for it?.."

 

I am asking for it.

Now your part.

I also will be here.

 

Choose your truth.

 

 

 

1. In bhagavad gita it says about purification of actions of both good and bad through bhakty yoga , that bind the souls to this material life. Like trees, who offer fruits / actions and reappear in summer season, like reincarnation.

 

2. Injection of fruits that is Gods expression and holdments of the fruits inside the body offering a praising and thereby opening the hands of God and entering the sun/life force, when is going down, in activity conciousness.

 

3. UFOs, going to other galaxies and loosing gravity law stopping time, that according to latest science pushes the body to old age. As the Heavens are operating the same way in all 4 seasons thunder must also exist in other galaxies thereby allowing us to use the energy for energy transportation.

 

4. A person with ones neck downwards has shame, a person with his head upwards have innocence. Innonce is a receiving conciousness as one is good by believing in good and most important doing good, evil entities have nothing to do in the kingdom of the Served. Shame is from evil faith and evil actions. God is LIFE so if one does not have faith to receive but takes head down in problems one dies. "But the problems of this life crowded them in so they could not bear fruit and so they died."