Does thisto Ramayana?

[Sephiroth]

http://news./s/space/20051107/sc_space/giganticapescoexistedwithearlyhumansstudyfinds

 

A gigantic ape standing 10 feet tall and weighing up to 1,200 pounds lived alongside humans for over a million years, according to a new study.

 

One of the main problem many people don't think Ramayana seriously is because of large Ape-like beings which featured in it which stands as tall as man, walked upright, and can use tools and even speak. Because of this, many take Ramayana as fairy tale.

 

Matter a fact, when Japanese animators animed Ramayana into a cartoon version (try E-bay if you interested), they made it look like that apes meant in Ramayana were small in size and looked regular.

 

But new evidence shows that over 1 million years ago, humans and this giant ape-like beings did live in peace side by side. Humans were hunter-gatherers and this Apes were vegetarians (Thank God for that).

 

Evidence seems to suggest that they lived up to 10,000 years ago, when Ice Age begins.

 

If anyone remember how Bhima meet Sri Hanuman, you will remember that Sri Hanuman was (alone) and meditating in the woods. Maybe by that time, most of his other brethen had died out and he was going back to Lord Vishnu. Who knows.

[maadhav]

good post. thanks.

 

<< Maybe by that time, most of his other brethen had died out and he was going back to Lord Vishnu. Who knows. >>

 

Hanumanji is alive just as god is alive.

 

Please read life of Neeb karoli Baba (or Neem karoli Baba)who left is body just 2-3 devades ago. Many have witnessed him knowing three kalas, knowing thoughts and actiosn of any one any time, being present at two plaes at on time, etc. he showed his Hanuman form to his host Sunil Mukherji.

 

Even now he does appear in person to his devotees.

 

Some of his lilas are very hilarious as well.

 

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NASA has already proven that there is a man made bridge between Indian and SriLanka.

 

http://www.rootsweb.com/~lkawgw/adamsbridge.html

 

Whenever and whereever there is a Ramayana Katha (discourse) a clean seat is kept empty by many devotees. It is said that Hanumanji comes to listen whereever there is Ramakatha or Ramlila going on. Hanumanji was asked by SriRam to stay till the end of Kaliyuga to provide consolence to His devotees during tremendous distress.

 

One of my uncle organized a Ramkatah in India and he invited Hanumaji in the temple. But he forgot to keep a separate seat for Hanumaji. After the Katha all of sudden an elderly gentleman went to my uncle and said in a trance that why he is keeping Hanumaji standing and not providing Him a seat. My uncle immediately apoliqized and provided a seat.

 

You may believe it or may not believe it..the fact is that monkeys are not harmed in India and result you can see in prolific monkey population almost all over the India.

 

Jai Hanumaji

[Sephiroth]

To many people, they could claim that epic such as Ramayana is just myth which is too hard to believe. After all ... talking monkeys which stand as tall as man and bridge over water? Fairy tale stuff.

 

But nowadays, more and more archealogy findings are pointing toward the obvious here. For one thing, as historian myself, this means that time which Man said to be "civilised" (currently, Egyptians are said to be the first civilised people in the world - around 4,000 B.C) have to be pushed back.

 

Dwaraka said to be 9,000 years old, jaw bones of the Ape shows that a species of giant apes when extinct 10,000 years ago, Adam's Bridge is 1,700,000 million years old and there are ancient writings in Harrapa-Morendo civilizations (north section of India) which no one could interprete.

 

It seems many of the pieces of History in Asia regions have to be revised with better research soon.

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http://www.punjabilok.com/science/nasa_debunks.htm

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That seems to make you very happy. You seems to be very eager to prove that this bridge or in wother words Ramayana is a myth. I doubt very much that you are a Hindu. You are just another Mohamadden hiding behind a Hindu name.

 

If you are a Shivite you must know that Hanumanji is considered to be a Rudravatar or Shivavatar. This proves that you are neither a Shivite nor a Hindu.

 

NASA has debunked a theory not reality. That doesn't prove that this is not a bridge from Ramayana. This doesn't prove anything. The very fact that photo prove existence of a bridge is enough. Nobody beleieved existence of Dwarak , now the exlorers have found remains of an ancient city in the Arabian ocean.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sephiroth]

"Remote sensing images or photographs from orbit cannot provide direct information about the origin or age of a chain of islands, and certainly cannot determine whether humans were involved in producing any of the patterns seen," said NASA official Mark Hess.

 

This means that the Bridge EXISTS. NASA just said that they are not sure whether it is Man-made or not.

 

NASA said the mysterious bridge was nothing more than a 30 km long, naturally-occuring chain of sandbanks called Adam's bridge.

 

When Sri Rama and His army came there, they didn't settle in the area, they start building the "bridge" so their armies can march across. So, over time, the remnant of the bridge could be foundation for sands to multiply and become a sandbanks that stretch for 30 km.

 

The very facts that it stretch across a body of water from South India to Sri Lanka across the strait (running water) shows that it requires a sort of foundation for sands to be deposited and formed the sank banks, otherwise, the formation could be like in the desert - regular and constantly moving by water and tides.

 

Historian B.D. Chattopadhyay of Jawaharlal Nehru University says the archaeological record says nothing of the sort. There is no evidence of a human presence in the subcontinent, he says, before roughly 250,000 to 300,000 years ago. It is generally believed man's hominid ancestors did not leave their African home until about two million years ago.

 

Our Historian friend here seems to forget that the bridge was supposedly built as path of invasion, NOT as place for human settlement.

 

He also forget that the common belief that humans left Africa 250,000 to 300,000 years ago comes solely from Mitochondria DNA samples exist today which shows that humans today are descendants from people left Africa at the specified time. I know this because I'm quite familiar with Out of Africa Theory.

 

What our historian friend didn't know that traces of Human-like beings are found in places like Java and China which findins of bones which are roughly 2 - 3 Millions in age (Java Man and Peking Man - run a check on them for further information) which shows that Asia had other lifeforms which very similar to Man during the time of Ramayana.

 

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You have no right to call me a shiite just because I showed that your statement: "NASA has already proven that there is a man made bridge between Indian and SriLanka." is misleading.

 

>NASA has debunked a theory not reality. That doesn't prove that this is not a bridge from Ramayana<

 

This is a complete reversal of your previous stand. You were trying to assert that since NASA has proven that the bridge is man made, Ramayana must be true.

 

>You seems to be very eager to prove that this bridge or in wother words Ramayana is a myth.<

My intention was not to prove Ramayana was a myth, but just to expose the falseness of your proof.

 

>Nobody beleieved existence of Dwarak , now the exlorers have found remains of an ancient city in the Arabian ocean.<

 

Explorers have also proven the existance of big submerged city near Mahabalipuram and Poompuhar, why can't that be Dwaraka?

There is a popular belief among intellectual circles that Krishna must be a Dravidian king as is apparent from his skin color. Also the Mathura in the Mahabaratha could very well be the ancient temple city Madurai.

During the time of Ramayana, Aryans were indulged in conquest of entire India, pushing Dravidians to south.

During era of Mahabaratha, they appear to have mixed considerably, had mutual respect for each other and coexisted peacefully. You can find lot of unbiased and learned scholars exploring this possibility if you search the net.

 

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>If you are a Shivite you must know that Hanumanji is considered to be a Rudravatar or Shivavatar. This proves that you are neither a Shivite nor a Hindu.<

 

I've never heard of such a thing until recently. My father is a great expert in temple sthala puranas, even he is not aware of such story.

But I have seen lot of Hanuman statues in pillars of Madurai Meenakshi amman temple, maybe this is another school of thought.

But you are free to believe whatever you want or chose, that is the greatness of our religion.

[ranga]

As Prabhu told you insult our Vedic religion to the core.

 

Of the seven rudra incarnations of Shiva, Hanuman is one.This Rudravatar is solely to enjoy the divine nectar of Rama Bhakthi.Ofcourse logicians & scientific atheists like you believe only in the half-well crossed science and nothing else.

 

The very proof that science is imperfect can be justified when Einstein came up with a different theory from Newton.

 

So tomorrow the Einstein theory may be substituted by some other sophistication and it goes on like that.

 

When Aswathama programmed Brahmastra a powerful weapon in a Kusa grass people laughed to the core calling it a myth.But now our scientists programs in a chip that comes basically from silicon a sand material,we appreciate to the core and get ourselves proud.

 

When Rama went in Pushpaka Vimana it is a myth because we cannot appreciate the different implementations of a same theory.Thats where we are frogs in a well.

 

When Karna was born to Kundi in an artificial manner we wont believe but now test tube baby similar to that concept has come.

 

We think that whatever science says we have to blindly accept and should not accept anything more.So I am not saying to be superstitious but at the same time please dont think we are too smart.It is never the case.There are so many in the universe yet to be explored by this science.

 

Meanwhile it really interests the debate on landing of moon as a drama by NAZA.We devoteed dont arise these issues but the truth comes up and must as it be.

 

Your father may not be aware of every sentence in every epic and please dont speculate,argue and hurt devotees.

 

Whole spiritualism is based on unflinching faith and a man who always doubts ends nowhere.

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1. the article clearly says the ape died out 100,000 years ago...not 10,000, not during the ice age

 

2. Why is everyone fighting over a NASA picture as if looking at the picture will prove anythign. it will prove what the people looking at it want it to prove in order to support their own belief. The wise ones know that the picture proves nothign

 

 

if the bridge is man made or not, how can a picture from space tell? you need up close analysis

 

it would actually be more reasonable to assume that Rama built a bridge over a sand bank that he may have encountered. In a sense, God had already favored Rama when he got to the edge of the ocean and Rama built over it. His deed is remembered because of the degree of importance it held at such an early date.

 

Does this giant age prove Hanuman?

 

Why would it? it would be 4 feet higher than the taller people of India, face it, we are a short people compared to westerners.

 

In reality, one cannot take the story of the Ramayana literally as one cannot take the bible literlaly. The story i believe is HEAvILY based on factual events, but to believe it word for word would be a little naive. In all actuality, the most basic differences between people can cause a total shift in perception. This is very true for long ago time periods, when learning and knowledge of modern science was not as wide spread. This ignorance and lack of exposure can easily lead one to misinterpret what they see.

 

Hanuman an the 'monkey people' could have just been south indian people (perhaps even short and hairy) that helped the north Indian vaishnavs during their trek into the heart of tamil country.

 

The stories of their help got taken back to the north and interpolated a little differently because of the natural differences that different story tellers would have when relating their stories. Over time these build up into an institutionalized story, with a solid text to back up the "facts"

 

Basically, what im saying is that the Ramayana story was a story about a very influential well-loved North Indian king well before the time of Buddha (probably 1000-1500 years before) who went to the south in searhc of his bridge. There he met south indians kings, and helped them and return was helped. In the end, he defeated the king of lanka, and was reunited with his wife.

 

 

[Sephiroth]

1. the article clearly says the ape died out 100,000 years ago...not 10,000, not during the ice age

 

Typo. At least you can count. Thanks. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

2. Why is everyone fighting over a NASA picture as if looking at the picture will prove anythign. it will prove what the people looking at it want it to prove in order to support their own belief. The wise ones know that the picture proves nothign

 

It proves that some accounts in Ramayana is CORRECT, which is more than what Christians and Muslims can say about their own religions.

 

Jesus cannot be proven to exists but Christians continued to worship him and about 90% of all Muslim prophets cannot be proven to be existing either.

 

Compared to Hindusm were many of their Sages (like Veda Vyasa, Hindu Siddhars and Holy men) have proof of existence in various places, I do consider this as somewhat important. Unfortunately, there's always some elements like you and Shivitee who don't bother.

 

Really ... what sort of Hindus are you (two) if you do not even bother about historical proof of your own religion? Either an atheist kind or an imposter, if you ask me.

 

it would actually be more reasonable to assume that Rama built a bridge over a sand bank that he may have encountered. In a sense, God had already favored Rama when he got to the edge of the ocean and Rama built over it. His deed is remembered because of the degree of importance it held at such an early date.

 

No, sand can be moved by rising and sinking tides. What experts should do is dig the sank banks and see whether there is rock formation below the sank banks. My guess is there won't be many since rocks too can be moved by rising tides but if they could find several rocks large enough to form a formation which cannot be form by natural means, it could prove that the sand banks had formed over an artifical source (just as coral reefs can form over wreckage of sunken ship).

 

However, it is IDIOTIC of ANY experts (like that Joker from Nehru University) to debuke something when no research is done.

 

Does this giant age prove Hanuman?

 

No, it proved that Man existed (in peace) side by side with giant ape-like species, very much like what is described in Ramayana. Ramayana Apes are NOT small apes than you see today, they are supposedly able to talk, very muscular and could walk upright. And the possibility of Speech or some sort of communications between speechs could exists also since Science proved that Chimps have ability to use tools and learn complex skills like counting.

 

Why would it? it would be 4 feet higher than the taller people of India, face it, we are a short people compared to westerners.

 

Have you ever seen Japanese guys and girls? There are about 1 feet shorter than Indians or those who live in tropical areas. I don't see what size have to do with anything.

 

The story i believe is HEAvILY based on factual events, but to believe it word for word would be a little naive.

 

Hmph ... I don't think you believe in anything which doesn't fit your acceptance. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

There is plenty of proof that Ramayana (as well as Mahabratha) is very much true (unlike the Bible) but people such as yourself always ignore them by saying there is no proof and they are just stories.

 

This ignorance and lack of exposure can easily lead one to misinterpret what they see.

 

It is NOT misinterpretation when facts fits the claims. Ramayana claims there was apes which was as talk as man - science found proof.

 

Ramayana claims that a land bridge was constructed between South India and Sri Lanka - science found remnant of a bridge.

 

Ramayana claims of aerial vehicle used to ferry Sri Rama, Laksamana, Sita and His troops back to Ayodhya (North India) and they flew over the bridge - nowadays, men fly all over the place in airplanes and can see the views below just as Sri Rama could back then.

 

Ramayana claims of aerial combat - Indrajit concealing himself in the sky and shoot arrows from his airborne chariot and ONLY way Sri Rama could shoot him down was by guidance of sound He heard. Science today have stealth airplanes and radar/sonar which does the same thing Sri Rama did in His battle with Indrajit.

 

So many things we do today is what Ramayana described IN PERFECT DETAILS and many of this things, we had learn to do LESS than 50 years ago. If this is not proof, I don't know what else people like you want as proof.

 

Hanuman an the 'monkey people' could have just been south indian people (perhaps even short and hairy) that helped the north Indian vaishnavs during their trek into the heart of tamil country.

 

Now there's an insult to ALL South Indians. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

Just because South Indians are "hairy", I don't think Sri Rama could possibly mistaken them for Apes. And besides, South Indians weren't short ... average men stood around 6 feet, well-built and stood taller than North Indians.

 

Basically, what im saying is that the Ramayana story was a story about a very influential well-loved North Indian king well before the time of Buddha (probably 1000-1500 years before) who went to the south in searhc of his bridge. There he met south indians kings, and helped them and return was helped. In the end, he defeated the king of lanka, and was reunited with his wife.

 

Well, if you don't mind, I could like to believe that a "Vessel of God" (what Hindus call Avatar) came to North India and commenced onward as what said in Ramayana as He did.

 

After all, to believe in your story could mean that :

 

1. Sri Rama didn't fight Indrajit in an airborne vehichle and brought back everyone in an airborne vehicle (since man cannot possibly flight even today).

 

2. Bridge in South India is false - despite of the shape and spot as describe in Ramayana.

 

Sri Rama was just a normal king doing normal things. Right? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif