blame it on karma?

[Guest guest]

what do you think is the role of our Indian society for the underprevailged (poor ,suffering ,oppressed due to color of skin,status,caste etc)?

 

Blame it on their karma?

[Guest guest]

Poor or suffering or status is very relative . You might think some one is suffering because you put yourself in that guys shoes. But actually that guy might be more happier than you, as he has less expectations.

 

I have learnt this thru experience. I have seen a lot of daily wage workes in my first job as a apprentice who were more happier that me though i earned much much more than them.

 

So all is relative.

[Guest guest]

Karma isn't limited to India! It's a universal law! It's up to everyone in their respective society to help others! If someone is suffering help them, if you can! It'll only make you a better person! And bring you closer to Krishna! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Guest guest]

Is there a responsibility on our part or blame it on karma and excuse self?

[barney]

Before anyone answers your question, I would like to know your opinion. Because the answer to your question lies on your opnion. So, tell what do you think? Would you help the needy or say it is their karma and that they have to suffer for their past action? Waiting for you reply.

[Guest guest]

well I want to know what others think about this.I asked the question first.i will surely comment later and give my opinion.

[barney]

That is because if you are a Hindu you would not be asking this question as all Hindus know the answer to it. May be you are not a Hindu or you are ignorant of your own religion. Anyway as I have said Hindus will know the answr to it so let us hear yours before I answer otherwise it's a waste of time. If you are sincere I would not mind giving my opinion but I'm afraid you're not sincere so to proof your sincerity you tell me what you think.

[Guest guest]

How do you know all hindus know about it?

 

Anyway look at my thread's question.we are here to discuss the role of us as hindus.since the scripture talks about people suffering from their karmas ,should we help them to come out of their opression ,pain and suffering and thus intervene in the proceedings of the karmic law.?

[Guest guest]

Nice try! But it's officially known that by helping the poor and suffering you can relieve their karmic debt and improve yours at the same time! Either your not well versed in you religion or you're not in Hindu!/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I don't know if you're shaiva or vaishnava, but here are some hindu sites!

 

Educate yourself

 

http://www.gitamrta.org/

http://www.vnn.org/

http://www.wva-vvrs.org/

http://www.atmatattva.com/

http://www.bvashram.org/pages/Puja-Sponsorship/

http://www.hindunet.org/

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/

http://www.hinduism-today.com/

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/

http://www.shaivam.org/index.html

http://www.krishna.com/

http://www.krishna.org/

http://www.gopala.org/

http://www.hinduism.8k.com/

http://www.sarvadharma.com/

http://www.iskconludhiana.com/

http://www.gitajayanti.com/

[narayanadasa]

Jai Sriman Narayana:

 

Here are things that I would'nt do.

 

1. I would'nt believe making all underprivileged into previleged, making all blind people non-blind etc would'nt go on a wild goose chase trying to change the world.

 

2. I would'nt go around assusuming that God would take me to heaven if I help as many such people on the way as I can and get publicity.

 

3. I would'nt go around taking advantage of their weakness and converting them to my religion by cheap tactics.

 

4. I would'nt just throw away money to them just because I have enough and losing a little will not cause any difference to me. The reason here is they may be bossed around by someone to get money, so giving them money may go to wrong hands. It them becomes a sin to provide monetary help.

 

5. Importantly, before doing any help, I would check for similarities (not just differences) like they too have 2 hands, 5 fingers, 2 legs, 10 toes, 2 eyes, 2 ears etc etc etc). When there are too many similarities instead of being in a shell and telling they need help, I would try and see whether they really need help or are just ignorant about how to live.

 

Believe me, there are still the same number of around the world who suffer although many foreign especially missionary organizations have claimed to have come and made a big change.. collected donations to put in a vatican bank.

 

6. Lastly, I would'nt want to become one more Mother Theresa (expert in both 3 and 3 above). As stated in her last statement on her diary in her own handwriting "Oh, so many years I have searched for God in the hearts of so many poor, needy, suffering but could'nt find him, so I conclude that either God doesnt exists or if at all he exists he is cruel and wicked". Clearly shows what kind of faith and ideology she had.... sorry these may not be her exact words but they sure were on the same lines/theme. Ofourse, Vatican may not want to publicize this and our great so-called secularists would ask "Have you verified all this is true?" when they have'nt bothered to verify whether "whatever good is known to be done by her is true or not". Similar things are true for Gandhi as well.

 

Anyway, I dont have any hatred for Gandhi or Theresa but certainly dont want to keep them above GOD as is the case with many Indians today... It is upto God to decide what to do with them so why should I worry about them. I remember one of the Gita purport on a verse (not the actual verse though) also states that during lifetime one may encounter such people (who stick to just one thought or good act) and it is safe to leave them alone.. dont advice them, dont discuss about them, dont bother too much about them... leave them alone for God to decide.

 

Here are things I would do:

 

1. Understand and practise hinduism properly, educate like-minded on hinduism. Do this sincerely.

2. When something is unclear, pray God sincerely and he for sure will help me (it works 100% for me!) by making me take the right action by giving the right thought at the right time.

3. People are experiencing their Karma anyway, so if my Karma allows me to help others I will! I do help sometimes and not at other times. Generally, I donate money regularly and also do some physical service to some known socio-religious (not the christian missionary) organizations who I have witnessed to take right care of the underprevileged.

 

Now, please share your thoughts without riduculing or commenting on my comments (please be courteous enough to reserve that for later!)... because one of your posts said that you 1st need others answers to give yours... how justified!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response.Have you noticed that each one works as per their religious or nonreligious convictions.please dont blame and accuse people whatever religious group they belong to if they are working to help humanity for whatever purpose it maybe.without purpose no one works in life.a man working in secular field looks for his wages at the end ,a religious man looks for his karma to lead him a better next rebirth or to be free from the wheel of suffering or maybe even conversion because he finds that the other persons faith does not help him at all.

 

Just because someone is suffering and opressed we cannot stop helping them by blaming their karma.I belive that the role of our Indian society (that include us) is to help the helpless at all level and even be happy that there are people (From all religions) who are not just preaching their own gospels but practising what they preach.

 

Let us not get carried away in what the god or gods they believe in when it comes to serve humanity if we believe that God is one and all our efforts are directed towards him.

 

True conversion occurs when one find their need of true liberation from bondages to a faith that can free them and give them hope.