Whats casteism ?

[tigerz]

Everything seems nice and sweet, wise and clairvoyant... all hunky dory. But then theres not a single person explaining the caste system which is probably the worst of its kind any where in the world. If this system is so great, then why have castes?

 

Anyone care to throw some light ?

 

~Tigerzuchini

[mahak]

Hey, haribol. Caste system is perverted reflection of reality, based on biology and genetics, family lines, etc.

 

Varna asrama dharma is quite natural, not based on birth, rather qualifications. As such, it cannot be avoided, regardless of the attempts at societal homogenization..

 

 

Some are here for the labor, some have economic savvy, some are inclined for administration, some are in tune with higher sciences (philosophers. This is your four orders (varnas), sudra, vaisya, ksatriya, brahmana, qualifications, and acquired, not by birth, rather attitude and adjustment.

 

The other four asramas are also natural, student, married having children, married too old for children, and renounced(widowhood, either by death or avadhuta). All these things are reality, no artificial selection committee to appoint where each fits in, we fit in naturally.

 

But, alas, in the age of Kali, everything is contrived, artificial, bogus, so your disgust with the "caste" system is understood and appreciated, thus Krsna Consciousness gives opportunity to get out of all artificial and temporary systems.

 

Later, mahak

[tigerz]

Nope... dont understand. And I didnt get the Sanskrit part... sounds Greek very unfortunately.

 

D'ya mind explaining that in lucid terms... with plain English ? My knowledge of such matters happens to be ridiculously poor. Sorry!

 

thanks tho'

[mahak]

Sorry, try to simplify. The caste system is a perversion of varnasrama dharma, which lists the four classes of society and the four statuses of life.

 

Where ideas of caste system artificially discriminate between the orders, real dharma acknowledges the natural orders and sees them as parts of the complete body.

 

The Brahmana is the head, and inclkudes teachers, physicians, scientists, etc.

 

The Ksatriya is the administrative arms of the body, providing order and protection of society, world leaders, policemen, soldiers, etc.

 

The Vaisyas are the bankers and business folk that are the stomach.

 

The Sudras are the labor and are the legs.

 

In order to work properlky, these do not fight or discriminate between each other, to do so is to destroy the body.

 

The caste system is where the legs are kept crippled, the belly is not properly fed, the arms are swinging out of control, and the head is cut off.

 

can ya grasp this much???

 

Mo latah, haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

[tigerz]

Gotcha !!! :-)))))))))

 

Which sob twisted such a fine concept into what we see today ? I wish I was educated on this simple and beautiful fact much before...Thank you Mahak. I hail thee.

 

Ok... another question that I had for years... that nobody gave a straight answer for.

 

Why are some Hindus vegetarians and some others not ? Shouldnt it be consistent among all Hindus ? Or am I missing something obvious ?

 

Yo ! thanks a mil dude.

[janardana prabhu]

this is from the rig veda.----------------The religion that sprang forth from the Vedas helped shape Indian society. For example, the Rig Veda and Vedic literature were used in the development of the caste system. The Rig Veda describes how the god Purusha sacrificed himself to himself. Each of the pieces of his body developed into a different portion of society. His mouth became the Brahmin or priests; his arms became the Kshatriyas or warriors; his thighs became the Vaisya or merchants, farmers, herders and artisans; and the feet became the Sudra or slaves and servants. Thus, while each part of society had its own role, it was still and single body.

[Jahnava Nitai Das]

I think a more correct translation for sudra would be laborer, it certainly shouldn't be slave.

 

[melvin]

I`m not well-attuned to the caste system

of India. As far as I know it is called

the Varnasrama Dharma system created by

the Lord Himself, Sri Krishna. It`s

a method of grouping individuals according

to one`s nature of being after having a

mind of its own. If one`s nature is that

of a healer or preacher then he can be

classified as a brahmana, a soldier or

kastriya, a businessman or vaisya, so on

and so forth. Sri Krishna, the Supreme Lord,

made it this way in order to restore the

chaos wrought by the Kali-yuga where

almost everyone are trying to outwit each

other giving rise to trivial arguments

that have no value at all which in the

end may result to violence to injuries to

death. This is not what Lord Chaitanya

wants from us. What He wants from us is to

go back home, back to His loving arms.

He wants us to render devotional service

to Him by propagating His sankirtana-yajna

movement of inundating the world with love

of Krishna consciousness.

Just carry out Sri Nimai Pandita`s mission

and this chaotic caste system will just

fall into its rightful place.

P.S. The word "sudra" may also mean the

word "servant."

 

[janardana prabhu]

Dear JNdas, Your right, this artical is misstaken,and shows how poor a fund of knowledge even a professor has in this day and age. In the actual varna-asrama system all parts are happily serving the whole. and a vaisnava can take up any roll even sudra.

I have been trying to back track to the site where I got that from ,so I can email the author

[Guest guest]

As far as I'm aware, this caste system isn't prescribed by the Vedas. It was man made (mainly in India) and completely unnecessary.

 

 

Dear JNdas, Your right, this artical is misstaken,and shows how poor a fund of knowledge even a professor has in this day and age. In the actual varna-asrama system all parts are happily serving the whole. and a vaisnava can take up any roll even sudra.

I have been trying to back track to the site where I got that from ,so I can email the author