Dasha Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Hello shvu May be His chariot driver had to explain to Gautama buddha what was misery, but never did he had to teach the feeling of compassion. This came naturally in the heart of Buddha. Namaste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggohil Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Hari Hari "Also I have already told before that I am not stating that all virtues have to be taught. I don't know that." Does this mean that untaught virtues must be coming from other then memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janardana prabhu Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Bhakta Shakta writes How do I differentiate a so-called mystical-experience, the voice from inside (Paraatman), or talking with God from my imagination. Especially when I lack the saucam (purity), specifically mental-purity The mystical-experience that you speak of ‘is’ the differentiation itself. Until you reach this first level of soul realization, you are helplessly in Maya. And although the ‘so-called’ mystical experiences that are available thru Maya are immense and wonderous, they are still just an illusion and you are still neglecting your soul nature; which has nothing to do with this material experience. The only mental purity you need is just enough to humble yourself in front of a bonafied spiritual master. Only Through such contact can the veil of Maya be lifted from your eyes. Until then your eyes are faulty and should not be fully trusted. And don’t judge the spiritual qualities of another lest you think they are also completely spiritualy blind(and dumb for that mater). Please try to understand the so-called mystical-experience you speak of IS the experience of the soul. And when’ you’ gain this knowledge ‘you’ can ascertain the position of THE ALMIGHTY SRI KRISHNA (Paraatman) in relation to ’you’ (atman). Up to this point, everything ‘you’ are saying is from a theoretically positioned point of view. And your theories are a little bit non-submissive to the Divine(my theory). Tisk. tisk. If you do not form the required fine brain substance that is needed to engage in such a disciplined and fine pursuit as that of servitude of the servant of the Supreme, JUST ASK(or prey)to be put in-touch with your spiritual guide, everybody has one. Otherwise it is completely up to you whether or not you will gain this understanding. Until that time, could you refrain from any personal abstractions. They do not conform to the lateral placement of knowledge for all, or to put it in other words; is not of absolute origin and therefore does not pertain to ‘every-soul’ both here and in Heaven Good luck!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggohil Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Hari Hari Just my personal opinion: Feelings like grief, happiness, compassion, guilt, anger....... come from the heart or the soul. I do not believe these emotions are generated from memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Hi, Just to clarify : I never said anywhere that emotions come from memory. And I don't know if you really understand what I mean by 'no memory'. To add: Feelings are just hormones running around in the body, which require that a person eats and drinks regularly. No food and water for 72 hours and there will be no feelings, not even a feeling of hunger. Because the hormone production would have stopped. So they have got nothing to do with the soul, if there is one. it is purely a physical thing. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Shakta Posted February 23, 2001 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 ---- janardana prabhu: The mystical-experience that you speak of ‘is’ the differentiation itself. ---- Phenomenologically maybe, but not objectively. ---- JP: The only mental purity you need is just enough to humble yourself in front of a bonafied spiritual master. Only Through such contact can the veil of Maya be lifted from your eyes. ---- The veil of Maya is lifted when one surrenders to Krishna. ---- JP: Please try to understand the so-called mystical-experience you speak of IS the experience of the soul. ---- I don't know about that. How do you? ---- JP: If you do not form the required fine brain substance that is needed to engage in such a disciplined and fine pursuit as that of servitude of the servant of the Supreme, JUST ASK(or prey)to be put in-touch with your spiritual guide, everybody has one. ---- I drink 2 glasses of milk a day and haven't eaten meat for the last 15 years of my life. Is that how I build the fine brain substance? ---- JP: JUST ASK(or prey)to be put in-touch with your spiritual guide, everybody has one. ---- By chanting the Holy Name one will be put in-touch with their guru. ---- Otherwise it is completely up to you whether or not you will gain this understanding. ---- It is not completely up to me whether or not I will gain this so-called 'understanding'. Krpa from sadhu or Bhagavan is necessary to get the ball rolling. ---- Until that time, could you refrain from any personal abstractions. ---- Don't take my words personally. I purposely take the contrapositive to learn better. I don't believe in sticking with the party-line and accepting everything 'as it is' without questioning. If I am unable to reconcile something with my logical principles then I reject it. Faith needs doubt. Doubt needs faith. That's why we are here, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 -- "No food and water for 72 hours and there will be no feelings, not even a feeling of hunger. Because the hormone production would have stopped." -- If emotions are included in the word "feelings", then this statement is not true. Even practically this is applied in medical procedures. For example, when there is some traumatic accident. If someone is burried under the rubble of a collapsed house for five days without food or water, when the rescue workers dig the person out, they do not inform him that his wife and children were found dead. They know the emotional response will affect his ability to recover, and therefore they avoid such information until the person is in a more stable condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animesh Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 There are many who claim to be having near death experiences. These indicate that mind (or should I say soul?) keeps working even after brain has stopped working. As I read just a few days in a newspaper, many scientists have also started considering this possibility. But one thing I do not understand. Why is it that if I faint and then come back to consciousness, I do not remember anything about what I was feeling during the time I was unconscious. If it is possible to remember something on coming back to life after having been declared brain dead, then it should be possible to remember on coming back to consciousness after being unconscious for a short while. One explanation could be that those who claimed to be having NDEs were lying. But I do not think that this is correct. Because, as I have mentioned above, many learned doctors have talked about this on the basis of the experiences of their patients. I do not think that these doctors are just cooking some stories. It can be said that the patients were making stories. But, it is also extremely unlikely that somebody would make such a story after such a big desease. I think that they do have such feelings (seeing light at the end of a tunnel etc.). So, what could be the explanation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasha Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 I guess I came out with a similar question a few days ago, but there was no answers. If anybody knows something serious on this subject matter I would also be very interested. Thank a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Shakta Posted March 7, 2001 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2001 Dear Devotees, Can we start by defining what exactly the imagination is? -- Animesh: An example of information in subconscious coming to conscious? -- I think that seems correct. Our subconscious fears or desires manifesting itself into our conscious stream of thoughts. I can't think of anything better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Imagination is the power/capacity of the brain to conjure up an image, real or unreal. You can imagine yourself being the President of the US, although you never were before. Of course, although the final image is unreal, for it to be recognized it should be made of elements that are already in memory. That applies to all the 'visions' that some people claim to have, including NDEs. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janardana prabhu Posted March 29, 2001 Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 Masters teaches that each soul is wearing several subtle bodies, and that the path of self and God(KRISHNA) realization means (in meditation experience) one starts to shed or transcend all the bodies gradually till all that's left is the naked soul, which then exclaims "I am That!I am That!" ------------ This is similar to my experience except that in pure soul realization you must wait until the humilities of mind, intelligence, and ego, are restored to you by the grace of The almighty before any exclamation can be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Shakta Posted March 29, 2001 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 "Imagination is the power/capacity of the brain to conjure up an image, real or unreal." Imagination is wakeful dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Shakta Posted March 29, 2001 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 "The physical body is made of "star stuff" (Dr. Carl Sagan), the material of the physical plane. The astral body is made of astral stuff, material from that realm. The causal body is made of causal stuff, material from that realm. The mental body is made of mental stuff, material from that realm. The etheric body is made of etheric stuff, material from that realm. The soul is pure spirit and is our true indentity, the spart of life" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Shakta Posted March 29, 2001 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 ^-------------^ Can someone offer detailed explanations on those various bodies for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 It is amazing and to some extent ridiculous that how everyone is whacking their brain out to think over and write all the stuff here and yet giving all the credit to heart and soul! Not a single character in any religion, any scripture talked emotion, all they taught were practical knowledge with precise analysis and in their name people throw all down the drain. Now, I again salute everyone on thread for the confident handling of god! You have bisected her right through. Mystical experience, Paraatma, talking with god or just imagination! Interesting thought and good that someone at least not going lunatic with I talked to god story and kind of want to enquire the dogma! Well, I don't know why any of you will believe me but do if you want to, after it is all about faith. So Imagination! downright imagination 999 million times in a billion. But once in history or the desperate need veil is open. You can see through and trust me you will not see a man in golden crown, or beard or suite! You will not see anyone, there will be no physical manifestation because there is no physical presence. It is plain in which you live and your memories which conjure the image, its your own though which get converted in words but just that one time they are forced and embedded on your psyche and you know that you will follow that to your deathbed. But, again the whole "talking to god" experience, even if it is the one in billion is not a good thing. It just means you are not well sorted out, you are not sure of your actions and repenting your act. It simply means you are not doing what you are supposed to do and looking for a support or direction. How to know how real was your experience? Once you are through your experience think about the content of it, what you talked or heard or was told. Does it make sense, is it relevant, is it important enough! Most of the time it is your own guilt talking to you. I mean god is not going to just pop in front of you and will ask you to do something which is completely irrelevant to you, for example he is not going to come to you and ask you to leave every thing and become a preacher. If he wanted someone to do it have had it planned for him and prepared him through years, will not just go out and make a random pick on anyone. And, PS if god is willing to be with you he would be right next to you, if he is not you are not meant to be with him. Not everyone report to big boss, but everyone plays their role and all roles are important. The sincerity and dedication everyone is showing here would be much better paid off if shown in own line of work and expertise. I know I have gone a little rude with language but did nobody told you true songs are never melodious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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