Triparari Maharaj (sanga) Svarupa, Siddha pranali, gurus, etc.

[jijaji]

Whay do we beat this 'DEAD HORSE' over and over and over again.

 

I am mentality and spirituality exhasted from this debate, and need some spiritual discipline i.e. bhajana, japa, yoga, meditation, which will give me some insight into my spiritual nature and God's Grace.

 

namaskar,

 

jijaji

 

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PEACE OUT NOW

[amanpeter]

I'm sorry, Jijaji prabhu. It was not my intention to disturb anyone. I take no sides myself. Let each be true to their own faith, whatever it may be. I'm not even aware of whose is what in this regard, only that some completely reject others for their supposed beliefs, even though these `beliefs` may be completely misunderstood by those who criticize.

My own faith is simple, for it is in Divine Grace alone, without which I believe nothing is possible and through which anything can happen at anytime to anyone, regardless. Depth of realization is what's important and that's inevitably reflected in our interactions.

 

Wherever we find that grace that allows us to fulfill ourselves, materially or spritually, we tend to fix our faith, yet in the absolute sense is that power/potency not originating from the same source?

 

I consider Sri Radha as that source and the personification of Divine Grace, because I have faith in the possibility of my entering into a particularly intimate personal relationship with Her that attracts me, to the exclusion of all others.

 

Let's hope that something positive can come from this thread, otherwise all are free to avoid it.

 

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amanpeter@hotmail.com

 

[This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 08-24-2001).]

[talasiga]

Originally posted by jijaji:

Whay do we beat this 'DEAD HORSE' over and over and over again.

 

Neigh ! Neigh !

I ain't dead.

I know I got fleas

But pleaeeese

Beating me

Wont kill them

 

 

[amanpeter]

This seems relevant to previous discussions here. Hope you agree, prabhus.

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Q. Mahaprabhu gave a unique thing, manjari bhava and he gave a

way of

attaining it, siddha pranali followed by intense meditation on

the guru

given svarupa. Why do you object to this?

 

A. We have no objection to this. We agree. The question is at

what point

the guru reveals one's svarupa. Nistha involves an ista devata.

Ruci

follows this kind of bhajan kriya. Ruci forms the basis of one's

svarupa.

The guru sees his disciple's ruci and helps him to realize his

svarupa by

teaching him how to cultivate that ruci. When asakti develops,

one actually

glimpses his svarupa and then enters into bhava bhakti where the

bhava that

constitutes one's svarupa is further cultivated., Bhava bhakti,

although a

distinct division of bhakti is nonetheless comprised of elements

found in

both sadhana bhakti and prema bhakti. Practice continues and

bhava is ray

of the sun of prema. No doubt one must contemplate in his

sadhana that

which he will attain in prema, but sadhana is not relative only

to anistha

bhajana kriya.

 

Some of my Godbrothers received siddha pranali from Lalita

Prasada Thakura,

while other of his disciples who had been serving him for much

longer had

not. Why? Bhaktivinoda Thakura details a gradual development of

bhakti in

his Jaiva Dharma. At what point in the book does the principle

character,

Vijay Kumara, receive siddha pranali? It is at the end of the

book. What

stage of development is he in at that time? When did his

lobhamayi-sraddha

awaken, and at what stage of the intensification of his lobha

was he given

siddha pranali? One may be a kanista adhikari on the raga marg

whose

lobhamayi sraddha is komala (tender) and subject to alteration.

It may not

be advisable to give siddha pranali to this kind of devotee.

 

Q. Isn't it true that because Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur

never

received siddha pranali diksa and could not give it to his

disciples, he

therefore developed another method?

 

A. Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura followed the instructions

of Gaura

Kishore das babaji, "You will realize your svarupa in the

syllables of the

Hare Krsna mantra." How do you know what he received or did not

receive

from Gaura Kishore dasa babaji?

 

Q. Well, I have faith in the Gaudiya Mahajans like Narottama

das and

Bhaktivinoda who followed the tradition and not some newly

developed

method?

 

A. And I have faith in those who awakened faith in my heart,

from whom we

both learned about Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Narottama das

Thakura.

 

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