Caitanyachandra Posted September 27, 2001 Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 Intersting list here. Moohammed is put at #1 for founding Zorastrainistic ISLAM. NEWTON IS PUT AT #2 for theory of universal gravitation and motional laws (note he was not the first to discover gravitity by any means)! http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html 1 Muhammad Islam Prophet of Islam; conqueror of Arabia; Hart recognized that ranking Muhammad first might be controversial, but felt that, from a secular historian's perspective, this was the correct choice because Muhammad is the only man to have been both a founder of a major world religion and a major military/political leader. 2 Isaac Newton Anglican (rejected Trinitarianism; believed in the Arianism of the Primitive Church) * physicist; theory of universal gravitation; laws of motion 3 Jesus Christ * Judaism; Christianity founder of Christianity 4 Buddha Hinduism; Buddhism founder of Buddhism 5 Confucius Confucianism founder of Confucianism 6 St. Paul Judaism; Christianity proselytizer of Christianity 7 Ts'ai Lun Chinese traditional religion inventor of paper 8 Johann Gutenberg Catholic developed movable type; printed Bibles 9 Christopher Columbus Catholic explorer; led Europe to Americas 10 Albert Einstein Jewish * physicist; relativity; Einsteinian physics 11 Louis Pasteur Catholic scientist; pasteurization 12 Galileo Galilei Catholic * astronomer; accurately described heliocentric solar system 13 Aristotle Platonism / Greek philosophy influential Greek philosopher 14 Euclid Platonism / Greek philosophy mathematician; Euclidian geometry 15 Moses Judaism major prophet of Judaism 16 Charles Darwin Anglican (nominal) biologist; described Darwinian evolution, which had theological impact on many religions 17 Shih Huang Ti Chinese traditional religion Chinese emperor 18 Augustus Caesar Roman state paganism ruler 19 Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic (priest) astronomer; taught heliocentricity 20 Antoine Laurent Lavoisier Catholic * father of modern chemistry; philosopher; economist 21 Constantine the Great Roman state paganism; Christianity Roman emperor who made Christianity the state religion 22 James Watt nonreligious * developed steam engine 23 Michael Faraday Sandemanian physicist; chemist; discovery of magneto-electricity 24 James Clerk Maxwell Presbyterian; Anglican; Baptist * physicist; electromagnetic spectrum 25 Martin Luther Catholic; Lutheran founder of Protestantism and Lutheranism 26 George Washington Episcopalian; Deist first president of United States 27 Karl Marx Jewish; Christian; Atheist; Marxism/Communism * founder of Communism 28 Orville and Wilbur Wright Protestant (nominal?) * inventors of airplane 29 Genghis Khan Mongolian shamanism Mongol conqueror 30 Adam Smith Liberal Protestant economist; expositor of capitalism; religious philosopher 31 Edward de Vere Christianity * literature; also wrote 6 volumes about philosophy and religion; William Shakespeare? 32 John Dalton Quaker chemist; physicist; atomic theory; law of partial pressures (Dalton's law) 33 Alexander the Great Greek state paganism conqueror 34 Napoleon Bonaparte Catholic (nominal) * French conqueror 35 Thomas Edison Congregationalist; agnostic * inventor of light bulb, phonograph, etc. 36 Antony van Leeuwenhoek Calvinist * microscopes; studied microscopic life 37 William T.G. Morton ?? pioneer in anesthesiology 38 Guglielmo Marconi Catholic and Anglican * inventor of radio 39 Adolf Hitler Catholic; Nazism conqueror; led Axis Powers in WWII 40 Plato Platonism / Greek philosophy founder of Platonism 41 Oliver Cromwell Puritan (Protestant) British political and military leader 42 Alexander Graham Bell Unitarian-Universalist inventor of telephone 43 Alexander Fleming Catholic penicillin; advances in bacteriology, immunology and chemotherapy 44 John Locke raised Puritan (Anglican); Liberal Christian philosopher and liberal theologian 45 Ludwig van Beethoven Catholic composer 46 Werner Heisenberg * discovered the principle of uncertainty 47 Louis Daguerre ?? an inventor/pioneer of photography 48 Simon Bolivar Catholic (nominal); Atheist * National hero of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Bolivia 49 Rene Descartes * Catholic Rationalist philosopher and mathematician 50 Michelangelo Catholic painter; sculptor 51 Pope Urban II Catholic called for First Crusade 52 'Umar ibn al-Khattab Islam Second Caliph; expanded Muslim empire 53 Asoka Buddhism king of India who converted to and spread Buddhism 54 St. Augustine Christianity Early Christian theologian 55 William Harvey Anglican (nominal) * discovered the circulation of the blood 56 Ernest Rutherford ?? physicist; pioneer of subatomic physics 57 John Calvin Protestant; Calvinism Protestant reformer; founder of Calvinism 58 Gregor Mendel Catholic (monk) Mendelian genetics 59 Max Planck Protestant * physicist; thermodynamics 60 Joseph Lister Quaker principal discoverer of antiseptics which greatly reduced surgical mortality 61 Nikolaus August Otto ?? built first four-stroke internal combustion engine 62 Francisco Pizarro Catholic Spanish conqueror in South America; defeated Incas 63 Hernando Cortes Catholic conquered Mexico for Spain 64 Thomas Jefferson Episcopalian; Deist; Unitarian * 3rd president of United States 65 Queen Isabella I Catholic Spanish ruler 66 Joseph Stalin Russian Orthodox; Atheist; Marxism revolutionary and ruler of USSR 67 Julius Caesar Roman state paganism Roman emperor 68 William the Conqueror Catholic laid foundation of modern England 69 Sigmund Freud Jewish (non-practicing); Atheist * Freudian psychology/psychoanalysis founder of Freudian school of psychology; psychoanalysis 70 Edward Jenner Christianity * discoverer of the vaccination for smallpox 71 Wilhelm Conrad Roentgen ?? discovered X-rays 72 Johann Sebastian Bach Lutheran; Catholic composer 73 Lao Tzu Taoism founder of Taoism 74 Voltaire raised in Jansenism; later Deist * writer and philosopher; wrote Candide 75 Johannes Kepler Lutheran * astronomer; planetary motions 76 Enrico Fermi Catholic * initiated the atomic age; father of atom bomb 77 Leonhard Euler Calvinist physicist; mathematician; differential and integral calculus and algebra 78 Jean-Jacques Rousseau born Protestant; converted as a teen to Catholic; later Deist French deistic philosopher and author 79 Nicoli Machiavelli Catholic wrote The Prince (influential political treatise) 80 Thomas Malthus Anglican (cleric) economist; wrote Essay on the Principle of Population 81 John F. Kennedy Catholic president of United States 82 Gregory Pincus Jewish * endocrinologist; developed birth-control pill 83 Mani Manicheanism founder of Manicheanism, once a world religion which rivaled Christianity in strength 84 Lenin Jewish (1/4); Russian Orthodox; Atheist; Marxism/Communism Russian ruler 85 Sui Wen Ti Chinese traditional religion unified China 86 Vasco da Gama Catholic navigator; discovered route from Europe to India around Cape Hood 87 Cyrus the Great Zoroastrianism founder of Persian empire 88 Peter the Great Russian Orthodox forged Russia into a great European nation 89 Mao Zedong Atheist; Communism; Maoism founder of Maoism, Chinese form of Communism 90 Francis Bacon Anglican * philosopher; delineated inductive scientific method Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted September 27, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 ADD to the list or create your own list... I'll put a concocted one: 1. Sri Krsna 1. Sri Adi Sankar Acarya. 2. Jeev Goswami. 3. Jesus Christ (non-existent) 4. Darwin 5. Clinton 6. etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted September 27, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 Einstein would be in bottom fifty. His influence is completely taken out LI. Thank relative time for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted September 27, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 Interesting study list for scholars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted September 27, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 Leonhard Euler Calvinist physicist; mathematician; differential and integral calculus and algebra where does this guy get 'his history? what a l00ser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 John the Baptist, RAmanujAcarya, Tesla, Lord Chaitanya MahAprabhu, MadhvAcarya, Noah, Henry Ford, Ben Franklin, Babe Ruth, Louis Armstrong, Beethoven, Mozart, Gandhi, St. Francis of Assisi, Charley Chaplin, Rockefeller, Carnegie. If it wasn't for Noah, we'd all be aquatics. Eternally. Only 2 choices then: fresh or salty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonehearted Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 This list reminds me of a book out in the late '70. It described the 100 most famous (most widely known) personalities in the world. Mohammed came in at #1, Mickey Mouse at #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 1, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 interesting the list from 00's was accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauracandra Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 I was just reviewing this list again. What is interesting is almost all the members it seemed to me were of European descent (and Christian usually). Is the list culturally biased? Certainly every so often you have a Mohammed or Buddha, but that is rather rare. I'm thinking it probably isn't (biased). Western society for all of its problems has also contributed alot positively to the world. Though this list isn't about positive contributions, just influencing the world Gauracandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Mother YazodA is most famous of all, as her name suggests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 "I was just reviewing this list again. What is interesting is almost all the members it seemed to me were of European descent (and Christian usually)." Yes, Mohammed a fake personality that nvr existed is put as #1 as a distraction! [This message has been edited by Caitanyachandra (edited 10-03-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Issaiah Newton is put at #2 for things he nvr invented but stole from Arabic<-Indian researchers. Jesus is put at #3 for inventing the entire Judeo-Christian government technocritical system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa1 Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 All of us will be #1, when we will have the Knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahak Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Bogus list. No Malcolm X? No Didymous Thomas? No St. Augustine? No Jeanne d'Arc? Islam gets too much recognition. Muhammed is properly listed, but Suliman is just as influential, and would have conquered the entire world if not for the black plague. What about the Huns? What about Chief Joseph? What about Kamehameha the Great? Bogus list. mad mahax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 His vision of "A PC on every desk, in every home" Not his. A Indian's. Joan of Arc for France. Ravana, Hiranyaksipu, Sisupala, Kamsa, Jarasandha of History referrign to modern history. No Malcolm X? ...Self answering for Madmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 What about Ravana, Hiranyaksipu, Sisupala, Kamsa, Jarasandha, and many others that were for certain much more competent than Hitler? What is the place of Lord Sandwich who was invented the MacDonalds’ specialty? That’s indeed a very biased list of celebrities ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Lord Sandwich? cool.... I did not know sandwich was the name of a person. Presently, im opinion, Bill gates is the person who has influenced the world, the most. His vision of "A PC on every desk, in every home" is fast approaching reality. It is not possible in all countries, of course, but these days, PC's are to be seen everywhere. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauracandra Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 My own view of Bill Gates is that he was just lucky. I'm not saying he isn't intelligent or that he didn't work hard, but he was no visionary. He hit the right curve at the right time, and rode it to the top. There are quotes from him that are painfully embarassing in which he discusses the need for computers. In one he says something like "I don't see why anyone would ever need more than 64K of memory". Something like that. He also totally missed the internet coming. Where was his browser? He was completely behind on that. Now that he is big enough, he just buys new ideas after he falls behind. He got lucky. No one saw the PC boom coming. Sure Bill Gates speaks of it today (now that it is already here and obvious). The best thing that happened to him was Steve Job's keeping the Apple operating system (a far superior computer) exclusive. Meanwhile all the knock offs of IBM computers came out, and because they couldn't put Steve Job's operating system on, just went with the inferior DOS. So all the software makers made most of the software for IBM computers and their knock-offs. I don't think Bill Gates is a visionary. Sure he is rich, but a lot of people are in the right place at the right time. At one point, early on he considered selling his company for a few million to H. Ross Perot (the nutcase presidential candidate from Texas). If Perot had offered a little more he would have sold out. Just my thinking. Gauracandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 I could notice Vasco da Gama, who merely made an oceanic trip to India. And what about the astronauts who supposedly went to the moon? Is that list enhancing the thesis of the 'moon-landing hoax'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Shvuji: Lord Sandwich? cool.... I did not know sandwich was the name of a person. Satyaraj: For certain you couldn’t as you are a rascal atheist! This is another episode of a hidden avatara! As you should known one of the main aspects of the Vedic culture is to eat with hands. Therefore Lord Sandwich has came to West to introduce Vedic precepts in this area. Only a very few occultists are aware of that avatara! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amanpeter Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa: Shvuji: Lord Sandwich? cool.... I did not know sandwich was the name of a person. Satyaraj: For certain you couldn?t as you are a rascal atheist! This is another episode of a hidden avatara! As you should known one of the main aspects of the Vedic culture is to eat with hands. Therefore Lord Sandwich has came to West to introduce Vedic precepts in this area. Only a very few occultists are aware of that avatara! LOL! Glad to see your funny bone is still intact, Satyaraja prabhu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 5, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 i'll throw my two cents in for aurobindo.. Sri Aurobindo was born in Calcutta on August 15, 1872. In 1879, at the age of seven, he was taken with his two elder brothers to England for education and lived there for fourteen years. Brought up at first in an English family at Manchester, he joined St. Paul's School in London in 1884 and in 1890 went from it with a senior classical scholarship to King's College, Cambridge, where he studied for two years. In 1890 he passed also the open competition for the Indian Civil Service, but at the end of two years of probation failed to present himself at the riding examination and was disqualified for the Service. At this time the Gaekwar of Baroda was in London. Aurobindo saw him, obtained an appointment in the Baroda Service and left England in January, 1893. Sri Aurobindo passed thirteen years, from 1893 to 1906, in the Baroda Service, first in the Revenue Department and in secretariat work for the Maharaja, afterwards as Professor of English and, finally, Vice-Principal in the Baroda College. These were years of self-culture, of literary activity-for much of the poetry afterwards published from Pondicherry was written at this time-and of preparation for his future work. In England he had received, according to his father's express instructions, an entirely occidental education without any contact with the culture of India and the East. At Baroda he made up the deficiency, learned Sanskrit and several modern Indian languages, assimilated the spirit of Indian civilisation and its forms past and present. A great part of the last years of this period was spent on leave in silent political activity, for he was debarred from public action by his position at Baroda. The outbreak of the agitation against the partition of Bengal in 1905 gave him the opportunity to give up the Baroda Service and join openly in the political movement. He left Baroda in 1906 and went to Calcutta as Principal of the newly-founded Bengal National College. The political action of Sri Aurobindo covered eight years, from 1902 to 1910. During the first half of this period he worked behind the scenes, preparing with other co-workers the beginnings of the Swadeshi (Indian Sinn Fein) movement, till the agitation in Bengal furnished an opening for the public initiation of a more forward and direct political action than the moderate reformism which had till then been the creed of the Indian National Congress. ln 1906 Sri Aurobindo came to Bengal with this purpose and joined the New Party, an advanced section small in numbers and not yet strong in influence, which had been recently formed in the Congress. The political theory of this party was a rather vague gospel of Non-cooperation; in action it had not yet gone farther than some ineffective clashes with the Moderate leaders at the annual Congress assembly behind the veil of secrecy of the “Subjects Committee”. Sri Aurobindo persuaded its chiefs in Bengal to come forward publicly as an All-India party with a definite and challenging programme, putting forward Tilak, the popular Maratha leader at its head, and to attack the then dominant Moderate (Reformist or Liberal) oligarchy of veteran politicians and capture from them the Congress and the country. This was the origin of the historic struggle between the Moderates and the Nationalists (called by their opponents Extremists) which in two years changed altogether the face of Indian politics. The new-born Nationalist party put forward Swaraj (independence) as its goal as against the far-off Moderate hope of colonial self-government to be realised at a distant date of a century or two by a slow progress of reform; it proposed as its means of execution a programme which resembled in spirit, though not in its details, the policy of Sinn Fein developed some years later and carried to a successful issue in Ireland. The principle of this new policy was self-help; it aimed on one side at an effective organisation of the forces of the nation and on the other professed a complete non-cooperation with the Government. Boycott of British and foreign goods and the fostering of Swadeshi industries to replace them, boycott of British law courts and the foundation of a system of Arbitration courts in their stead, boycott of Government universities and colleges and the creation of a network of National colleges and schools, the formation of societies of young men which would do the work of police and defense and, wherever necessary, a policy of passive resistance were among the immediate items of the programme. Sri Aurobindo hoped to capture the Congress and make it the directing centre of an organised national action, an informal State within the State, which would carry on the struggle for freedom till it was won. He persuaded the party to take up and finance as its recognised organ the newly-founded daily paper, Bande Mataram, of which he was at the time acting editor. The Bande Mataram, whose policy from the beginning of 1907 till its abrupt winding up in 1908 when Aurobindo was in prison was wholly directed by him, circulated almost immediately all over India. During its brief but momentous existence it changed the political thought of India which has ever since preserved fundamentally, even amidst its later developments, the stamp then imparted to it. But the struggle initiated on these lines, though vehement and eventful and full of importance for the future, did not last long at the time; for the country was still unripe for so bold a programme. Sri Aurobindo was prosecuted for sedition in 1907 and acquitted. Up till now an organiser and writer, he was obliged by this event and by the imprisonment or disappearance of other leaders to come forward as the acknowledged head of the party in Bengal and to appear on the platform for the first time as a speaker. He presided over the Nationalist Conference at Surat in 1907 where in the forceful clash of two equal parties the Congress was broken to pieces. In May, 1908, he was arrested in the Alipur Conspiracy Case as implicated in the doings of the revolutionary group led by his brother Barindra; but no evidence of any value could be established against him and in this case too he was acquitted. After a detention of one year as undertrial prisoner in the Alipur Jail, he came out in May, 1909, to find the party organisation broken, its leaders scattered by imprisonment, deportation or self-imposed exile and the party itself still existent but dumb and dispirited and incapable of any strenuous action. For almost a year he strove single-handed as the sole remaining leader of the Nationalists in India to revive the movement. He published at this time to aid his effort a weekly English paper, the Karmayogin, and a Bengali weekly, the Dharma. But at last he was compelled to recognise that the nation was not yet sufficiently trained to carry out his policy and programme. For a time he thought that the necessary training must first be given through a less advanced Home Rule movement or an agitation of passive resistance of the kind created by Mahatma Gandhi in South Africa. But he saw that the hour of these movements had not come and that he himself was not their destined leader. Moreover, since his twelve months' detention in the Alipur Jail, which had been spent entirely in the practice of Yoga, his inner spiritual life was pressing upon him for an exclusive concentration. He resolved therefore to withdraw from the political field, at least for a time. In February, 1910, he withdrew to a secret retirement at Chandernagore and in the beginning of April sailed for Pondicherry in French India. A third prosecution was launched against him at this moment for a signed article in the Karmayogin; in his absence it was pressed against the printer of the paper who was convicted, but the conviction was quashed on appeal in the High Court of Calcutta. For the third time a prosecution against him had failed. Sri Aurobindo had left Bengal with some intention of returning to the political field under more favourable circumstances; but very soon the magnitude of the spiritual work he had taken up appeared to him and he saw that it would need the exclusive concentration of all his energies. Eventually he cut off connection with politics, refused repeatedly to accept the Presidentship of the National Congress and went into a complete retirement. During all his stay at Pondicherry from 1910 to the present moment he has remained more and more exclusively devoted to his spiritual work and his sadhana. In 1914 after four years of silent Yoga he began the publication of a philosophical monthly, the Arya. Most of his more important works, those published since in book form, the Isha Upanishad, the Essays on the Gita, and others not yet published, The Life Divine, The Synthesis of Yoga appeared serially in the Arya. These works embodied much of the inner knowledge that had come to him in his practice of Yoga. Others were concerned with the spirit and significance of Indian civilisation and culture, the true meaning of the Vedas, the progress of human society, the nature and evolution of poetry, the possibility of the unification of the human race. At this time also he began to publish his poems, both those written in England and at Baroda and those, fewer in number, added during his period of political activity and in the first years of his residence at Pondicherry. The Arya ceased publication in 1921 after six years and a half of uninterrupted appearance. Sri Aurobindo lived at first in retirement at Pondicherry with four or five disciples. Afterwards more and yet more began to come to him to follow his spiritual path and the number became so large that a community of sadhakas had to be formed for the maintenance and collective guidance of those who had left everything behind for the sake of a higher life. This was the foundation of the Sri Aurobindo Ashram which has less been created than grown around him as its centre. Sri Aurobindo began his practice of Yoga in 1905. At first gathering into it the essential elements of spiritual experience that are gained by the paths of divine communion and spiritual realisation followed till now in India, he passed on in search of a more complete experience uniting and harmonising the two ends of existence, Spirit and Matter. Most ways of Yoga are paths to the Beyond leading to the Spirit and, in the end, away from life; Sri Aurobindo's rises to the Spirit to redescend with its gains bringing the light and power and bliss of the Spirit into life to transform it. Man's present existence in the material world is in this view or vision of things a life in the Ignorance with the Inconscient at its base, but even in its darkness and nescience there are involved the presence and possibilities of the Divine. The created world is not a mistake or a vanity and illusion to be cast aside by the soul returning to heaven or Nirvana, but the scene of a spiritual evolution by which out of this material Inconscience is to be manifested progressively the Divine Consciousness in things. Mind is the highest term yet reached in the evolution, but it is not the highest of which it is capable. There is above it a Supermind or eternal Truth-consciousness which is in its nature the self-aware and self-determining light and power of a Divine Knowledge. Mind is an ignorance seeking after Truth, but this is a self-existent Knowledge harmoniously manifesting the play of its forms and forces. It is only by the descent of this supermind that the perfection dreamed of by all that is highest in humanity can come. It is possible by opening to a greater divine consciousness to rise to this power of light and bliss, discover one's true self, remain in constant union with the Divine and bring down the supramental Force for the transformation of mind and life and body. To realise this possibility has been the dynamic aim of Sri Aurobindo's Yoga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Originally posted by shvu: Lord Sandwich? cool.... I did not know sandwich was the name of a person. Yes, see John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich:- http://lycos.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0843428.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted November 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Sanderson Beck puts Mahatma Gandhi has 1/4 most influential people in history. PUTTING HIM # UNO in his LIst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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