Caitanyachandra Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Like Manindranath Guha "The Holy Name is a Vaikuntha substance (Bhag. 6.2.14) that is, a substance without mutilation it does not become impure in any condition it does not not become corrupted by incursion of the faults of an offender or, in the semblance of the name it is not changed." bhajankutir.net Surays, give an interpretation on this verse. [This message has been edited by Caitanyachandra (edited 10-15-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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suryaz Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Let us try to work out what a "pure devotee" is first. What is a "pure devotee"? Purely devoted to who/what? What does that depend on? What does it include? What does it exclude? By whose estimation are we to accept, (with regard to who “determines”) that which is believed acceptable: included and/or excluded? [This message has been edited by suryaz (edited 10-14-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 On a lighter vein, What is a "pure devotee"? Any gaudiya vaishnava. The converse is true too. This reminds me of a list of definitions I had found on another list a long time back by a like minded person. Here they are, ////////////////////////////////////// >avatar (avatara) Any avatara of Vishnu=krishna. Any other avataara was sent by Vishnu to mislead people (especially people like me). >Bhagavat Purana THE saatvic puraana. Any other puraana is saatvic when it praises Vishnu, or someone introduced spurious verses into them once in a while showing that Vishnu worshiped Shiva. Shiva puraana is ofcourse for hedonists who will rot later in the planet of the faithless. >Bhagavad Gita The song divine. The one and only interpretation to consult is ISKCON's. No one else knows anything. Infact, scholars have come across a new copy of the Paadma puraana which has a verse showing the superiority of ISKCON's Gita translation to all other translations. >bhaki I presume you want to know about bhakthi. bhakthi=worship of Krishna. Worshiping any other demigods will make grass sprout from your ears. >Brahman =krishna ofcourse. Any verses from anywhere telling something like rudra=brahman must be dismissed. This will then make everything thoroughly consistent. There is no logic in this procedure, but people who point this out are indulging in chest beating. So don't you dare do any such thing. >karma There are two types, good and bad Karmas. Good karma=agreeing with ISKCON. Any thing else is baaaad karma. >maya A concept introduced by Advaitins. The fallacy of this system is ofcourse well known. Hence, intelligent people don't spend too much time listening to Advaita. >Prabhpada A person who provides imaginative translations of Hindu scriptures. >Ramakrishna A deluded person. >Vaishnavite (Vaishnava, Vaishnavism) THE true religion. Dismissing verses in scriptures which don't say that Vaishnavism is THE religion, makes Vaishnavism the pinnacle of logical achievement and consistency. >Vedanta Society An abominable society which actually dares to spout views which ISKCON doesn't agree with. Founded by a hedonist. >Vivekananda A hedonist who was half maayaavadi and half shuunya vaadi. He ate meat (gasp). Founded the Vedanta society. Present location - planet of the faithless. ///////////////////////////////////////// Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suryaz Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 Originally posted by shvu: On a lighter vein, Cheers Shvu you are funny, both you and satire make me [This message has been edited by suryaz (edited 10-15-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirona Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Shvu thank you for your lovely summary of ISKCON's doctrine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 18, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 By whose estimation are we to accept, (with regard to who “determines”) that which is believed acceptable: included and/or excluded? Real GURU. [This message has been edited by Caitanyachandra (edited 10-17-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 18, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 What is a "pure devotee"? Purely devoted to who/what? What does that depend on? What does it include? What does it exclude? Zastric references would be helpful to you Suryas. [This message has been edited by Caitanyachandra (edited 10-17-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitanyachandra Posted October 18, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 SHVU ">Brahman =krishna ofcourse. Any verses from anywhere telling something like rudra=brahman must be dismissed. This will then make everything thoroughly consistent. There is no logic in this procedure, but people who point this out are indulging in chest beating. So don't you dare do any such thing." Brahman = dual-nondifferentiated consciousNess. Cheers. [This message has been edited by Caitanyachandra (edited 10-17-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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