valaya Posted December 25, 2001 Report Share Posted December 25, 2001 Hinduism: This is the sum of duty--do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you. Mahabharata 5:1575 Buddhism: Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. Udana-Varga 5.18 Confucianism: One word which sums up the basis of all good conduct...loving kindness. Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself. Confucius Analects 15.23 Taoism: Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain, and your neighbour's loss as your own loss. T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien, 213-218 Sikhism: I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all. Guru Granth Sahib, pg.1299 Christianity: In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets. Jesus, Matthew 7:12 Unitarianism: We affirm and promote respect for the independent web of existence of which we are a part. Unitarian principle Native Spirituality: We are as much alive as we keep the earth alive. Chief Dan George Zoroastrianism: Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself. Shayast-na-Shayast 13.29 Jainism: One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated. Mahavira, Sutrakritanga Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary. Hillel, Talmud, Shabbat 31a Islam: Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself. The Prophet Muhammad, Hadith Baha'i Faith: Lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for any one the things you would not desire for yourself. Baha'u'llah, Gleanings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Don Muntean Posted December 25, 2001 Report Share Posted December 25, 2001 Originally posted by valaya: Hinduism: This is the sum of duty--do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you. Mahabharata 5:1575 Buddhism: Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. Udana-Varga 5.18 Confucianism: One word which sums up the basis of all good conduct...loving kindness. Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself. Confucius Analects 15.23 Taoism: Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain, and your neighbour's loss as your own loss. T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien, 213-218 Sikhism: I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all. Guru Granth Sahib, pg.1299 Christianity: In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets. Jesus, Matthew 7:12 Unitarianism: We affirm and promote respect for the independent web of existence of which we are a part. Unitarian principle Native Spirituality: We are as much alive as we keep the earth alive. Chief Dan George Zoroastrianism: Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself. Shayast-na-Shayast 13.29 Jainism: One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated. Mahavira, Sutrakritanga Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary. Hillel, Talmud, Shabbat 31a Islam: Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself. The Prophet Muhammad, Hadith Baha'i Faith: Lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for any one the things you would not desire for yourself. Baha'u'llah, Gleanings All Glories to Shrila Prabhupada Very Nice Indeed Prabhu! Your servant, Bhakta don [This message has been edited by Bhakta Don Muntean (edited 12-25-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauracandra Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Very interesting. While some have fairly broad resemblance to The Golden Rule, a few are almost exact. So the natural question is Do they have a common source? or have all of these religions come to similar conclusions independently? Gauracandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa1 Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Were and will be a lot of religions and rules; all the religions are only a path to Knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 Yes, it makes sense that some of the basic principles that different localities have no prejudice against will remain intact. Prabhupada has noted how the original Vedic sanatana-dharma has been deformed in various ways giving rise to a variety of religions and sects to accommodate the customs, attachments and attitudes of different locales. Time and circumstance: somehow or other we must turn towards Sri Krsna, and eventually reestablish our relationship with Him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa1 Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 The problem is you can't turn more than you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valaya Posted January 6, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 S a n g a Sunday, December 9, 2001 Re: From Honoring All Beings to Causeless Love "For the spiritual practitioner, true morality and compassion for others beyond convention is the result of seeing God in the world. The neophyte lacks strong moral fiber and compassion for others due to his underdeveloped realization of the all-encompassing nature of his object of love." Q & A with Swami B.V. Tripurari: Q. In your October editorial you wrote the following: "Compassion for humanity is the shadow of spiritual compassion that one must pass through to enter the heart of God-conscious empathy." Could you write more about this? A. Thakura Bhaktivinoda says it like this: sakale sammana korite sakati deho 'natha yatayatha tabe to' gaibo hari nama suke aparadha ha'be hata "O Lord! Give me the power to properly honor everyone equally, for then I will be able to chant the holy name happily, free from offense." Our perfection lies in chanting purely, free from offense, and this involves appropriately honoring all living beings. Others are not to be seen as objects of exploitation, which is the unfortunate result of material attachment. When we become materially attached to someone, we objectify him or her and deny them their own life in relation to God, making them objects of our sense indulgence. We are to see all living beings as manifestations of God‹his sakti. For the spiritual practitioner, true morality and compassion for others beyond convention is the result of seeing God in the world. The neophyte lacks strong moral fiber and compassion for others due to his underdeveloped realization of the all-encompassing nature of his object of love. Q. Can books on morality or positive thinking be helpful to those who want to attain the ideal of bhakti? A. Books discussing the value of moral life and good character can be helpful for those who come to bhakti without these things in place. Indeed, many of Prabhupada's purports focus on these and other subjects that are not core Gaudiya material, but are foundational to spiritual life. Ultimately we must broaden our understanding of the object of our love such that it includes all things animate and inanimate, seeing them as Krsna's energy. Then we will cease to exploit the world for the purpose of our senses and utilize instead everything in the service of Krsna. Thus the circle of moral life is included within the larger circle of spiritual experience. [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 01-07-2002).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valaya Posted January 12, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Transferred from `The Gospel of Jesus Christ` thread, with thanks to Gauracandra: Siddhaswarupananda then quotes the Bible: quote: Matthew 22:36-38 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. The first and foremost commandment is to love God, not to seek salvation. Jesus is teaching unconditional love for God. But do not confuse love of God with serving one’s own desires. The problem with Salvationism is your continual concern with your own future. But this is not love. If you want to know love then look at the life of Jesus Christ. He wasn’t concerned with his salvation. He wasn’t afraid of going to hell. His mind was on someone else. The central focus was not on himself but on God. When it was time for him to be crucified, because it was God’s will he let himself suffer. Haridas Thakur was a disciple of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He too has confirmed that love of God is higher than salvation. The chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord is like the rising sun. When this sun rises in the heart of the devotee it automatically cleanses away all sinful reactions. But this cleansing is a natural by-product but not the goal. The chanting of the Holy Name will give one the positive taste for love of God. And there is no way to describe it, you have to taste it to know it. And it is love of God that Christ is teaching. It is love for God that all saints have talked about. The characteristic of love is that the interest is on the one you love. Your interests, pleasure, your very life is on God. And the second commandment of Jesus was: quote: Matthew 22:39:40 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. If we truly love God we will love everyone else. This is the true message of Jesus Christ. Become a lover of God. True salvation lies in recognizing Our Eternal Beloved in each other, and acting accordingly, through His Divine Grace. Devotional service is the Supreme gift which can neither be earned nor repayed, only accepted with grateful humility. In material conciousness others are merely accessories, but in God conciousness the roles are reversed... valaya ------------------ Radhe Radhe always Radhe! amanpeter@hotmail.com [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 01-12-2002).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa1 Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Why to love God, when you are God? Find God in yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhaktashab Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Originally posted by alfa1: Why to love God, when you are God? Find God in yourself. Alfa1, you present here a philosophy that denies love as an eternal fact. We are devotees of Krishna and as such we understand to one extent or another what it means to have a loving relationship with Him. This loving relationship is not imagined, it is real. If you conceive the absolute truth to be devoid of personal relationships, devoid of separate individuals who act as the abode and objects of love, then your conception is incomplete. The mere fact that I can describe eternal loving personal relationships between devotees and a transcendent God should indicate to you that you are missing something in your conception of the absolute truth. Please remember that the absolute truth is the complete whole - nothing is separate from the absolute. So how is it that I can describe something that does not fit into your conception? The obvious answer is that your conception is incomplete. We are only one with God in an impersonal sense and one who realises this oneness with God becomes joyful. But this is only preliminary realisation of the absolute. The pleasure derived from impersonal liberation is likened to the dirty water in the hoof print of a calf compared to the unlimited ocean of Krishna Prema, pure love of God. ------------------ shab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Our Republican SampradAya hails all with similar choice words: "Do others in, 'fore you'd have them do you in." Close, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa1 Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Yes, you are right, because you see at the "macro scale", globally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Micro too. How's this for mini (with a maxi chaser): After Columbine High School Colorado massacre, Clinton (remember him? ViSNu's part & parcel?) gave a speech: "We all have to learn to settle our arguments peacefully." At the same exact time, simultaneously as he spoke these words, Clinton's executive order already had our US Air Force a la fois dropping bombs on Yugoslavia. Why? For cadmium, magnesium, nickel... the list goes on. All in freedom's name, of course. Golden Rule? Or Rusty Bent-up Iron Rule? What can we & our children learn from such a loquacious leader? And what to speak of Bushwick! A sorrier, sadistic sucker never slept at 1600 Penn. What goes around comes around... Cause & effect. Sweet, sweet, can't be beat, Daivi-mAyA shall unseat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Why to love God, when you are God? Find God in yourself... If you are God, then what is meant by finding God 'in yourself'? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa1 Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 We are Soul and Spirit(God). In time the Soul will disappear. Until you are Soul and Spirit, find your Spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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