Is Jesus Coming Back ? Reason #2

Avinash · May 29, 2002

Before we continue, could some one post whatever data is available on earthquakes, so we can see what it means that earthquakes have increased.

I have made a post related to this. I can post the actual no. of earthquakes per year also, but I am finding difficulty in making table here. I am trying.

Avinash · May 29, 2002

Year</TD>

Major Earthquakes</TD>

Great Earthquakes</TD>

</TR>

1969</TD>

15</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1970</TD>

20</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1971</TD>

19</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1972</TD>

15</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1973</TD>

13</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1974</TD>

14</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1975</TD>

14</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1976</TD>

15</TD>

2</TD>

</TR>

1977</TD>

11</TD>

2</TD>

</TR>

1978</TD>

16</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1979</TD>

13</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1980</TD>

13</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1981</TD>

13</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1982</TD>

10</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1983</TD>

14</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1984</TD>

08</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1985</TD>

13</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1986</TD>

05</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1987</TD>

11</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1988</TD>

08</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1989</TD>

06</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1990</TD>

12</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1991</TD>

11</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1992</TD>

23</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1993</TD>

15</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1994</TD>

13</TD>

2</TD>

</TR>

1995</TD>

22</TD>

3</TD>

</TR>

1996</TD>

21</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

1997</TD>

20</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

1998</TD>

14</TD>

2</TD>

</TR>

1999</TD>

23</TD>

0</TD>

</TR>

2000</TD>

16</TD>

4</TD>

</TR>

2001</TD>

14</TD>

1</TD>

</TR>

</TABLE>

</CENTER>

Avinash · May 29, 2002

Sorry for white spaces at the beginning.

bhaktajoy · May 29, 2002

No Avinash Prabhuji Don't be sorry.Actually you did a gr8 job your service is commendable.Thanks!

Gauracandra · May 29, 2002

Very good Avinash with the EQ info. Just eyeballing it the data doesn't seem to indicate much of a change in earthquake activity. Some devotees (Mahak & others) used to have some fun tracking earthquakes on these forums (check the test section I think).

Avinash · May 29, 2002

As the table shows, it is wrong to say that the no. of earthquakes (of magnitude > 7) have been increasing over the last 50 years.

So far lesser magnitude earthquakes are concerned, it is possible that they have increased. But it is also possible that we observe more of them because of more no. of geophones. Anyway, it does not seem believable that Jesus was talking of such low magnitude earthquakes.

May 29, 2002

Excellent data Avinash. But Jesus does not say that there will be increase in major earth quakes. So we need to understand if there has been an increase in minor earth quakes. I heard from some knowledgeable people that it is possible to detect earth quakes that happened inthe past by studying the tectonic plates. Based on that one should see if there has been an increase.

Bhakta Don Muntean · May 29, 2002

Here is some information that will make this even more interesting:

www.uhcg.org/Quest/messiah.html

May 29, 2002

there is an earthquake almost every day in california,all minor.

The part of the bible that talks about "the end days", talks about a time of great upheaval, wars ,fires, floods etc.

The description isn't necessarily an exact one, it's meant to give a general description of many cataclysmic events.

The fact of Israel being re-settled by Jews is the main reason for belief of the immanent arrival of Jesus.

The other signs are not as significant to Christains.

May 29, 2002

Where is the prediction that the state of Israel will be formed ? Jesus does talk about jews being scattered but not reassembling as far as I know. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Avinash · May 29, 2002

heard from some knowledgeable people that it is possible to detect earth quakes that happened inthe past by studying the tectonic plates.

Plate techtonics can be used but only for knowing about great earthquakes of the past and that too not very accurately.

May 30, 2002

Avinash, looks like you are a good EQ resource on the forum - Posted Image

The only option then is to monito the EQs and see if they are increasing in the next decade.

Avinash · May 30, 2002

Luke says that there will be great earthquake. Of course, we can say that the meaning of the word great here may not be exactly the same as it is currently defined in Geophysics. Earthquakes of magnitude 8 and above (in richter scale) are known as great earthquakes. But we can definitely say that the earthquakes that do not cause much trouble can not be considered as great earthquakes. I do not think that Luke was talking of earthquakes of magnitude 6 or lower.

karthik_v · May 30, 2002

Originally posted by Avinash:

Plate techtonics can be used but only for knowing about great earthquakes of the past and that too not very accurately.

I think you are right. Only if the earthquake has left a permenant rupture in the plate, we can guess about its mangitude. even then it is not going to be accurate. For example, the great earthquake of Turkey (I think it is 1192 CE..Avinash prabhu can confirm) was guesstimated as between 8.2 and 9.0 in magnitude. That is a huge difference when we note that Richter scale is logarithmic and 9.0 is almost 10 times as big as 8.2. But, it does tell you if earthquakes of magnitude beyond 8.0 occurred.

karthik_v · May 30, 2002

Since we are talking of predictions, here is a prediction by Nostradamus that England will win 2002 Soccer cup Posted Image

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Articleshow.asp?art_id=11501121

Every prediction from the Bible is as good [or as bad] as this.

Avinash · May 31, 2002

If you read Bible, you will find that many kinds of destructions have been mentioned before Jesus comes, earthquake being one of them. So, this means that Bible refers to destructive earthquakes. The magnitude of an earthquake does not indicate the level of destruction. The level of destruction is indicated by the intensity of an earthquake.

W should see if more destructions are hppening by earthquake now than in past. One more important point. It has been approximately 2000 years since Jesus left. So, we can not consider what happened in the last few decades; we have to consider what happened in the last 2000 years.

gHari · May 31, 2002

This is from Luke 21 of the New Testament of Christianity. You will see from the highlights that most Christians do not take religion very seriously. It is for the most part irrational sentimental frenzy; especially all this doom-is-near nonsense. But then, it is only fear that can affect these heartless souls; so perhaps all is as it should be.

5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6"As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down."

7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?"

8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away."

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

12"But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13This will result in your being witnesses to them. 14But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17All men will hate you because of me. 18But not a hair of your head will perish. 19By standing firm you will gain life.

20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

32"I tell you the truth, this generation[2] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

34"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

37Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives, 38and all the people came early in the morning to hear him at the temple.

Avinash · May 31, 2002

"I tell you the truth, this generation[2] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

This is a very good point. This means that if Bible is correct, then the second coming of Christ has already happened. Isn't it bad that some people consider only those things in a scripture that serves their purpose and ignore the rest?

theist · May 31, 2002

Originally posted by karthik_v:

Theist Prabhuji,

I am sorry for being offensive. Please come back. I will restrain. My attack was not on Jesus, but the church. But, I will tone it down.

karthik,

Thank you for the nice note and your attempt to put my mind at ease.

Rather if your jokes were aimed at Lord Jesus Christ or those that falsely claim to represent Him is for you to know and is between you and the Supreme Lord.

We must be cautious and avoid thinking that offenses directed toward those who may not be specifically mentioned in our Holy Books will not but injurious to our growing creepers of bhakti.These distinctions are ours and not Krsna's.

But this incident has been instrumental in showing me something about myself.I sometimes dare to act as though I have some genuine feeling for Christ and Krsna.This false posture is surely more offensive then the occasional joke offered in bad taste.

So I must apologize to all here for my self-righteous attitude.

The mind is really amazing.For one who knows that he should surrender to Krsna's devotee but who doesn't, so many pretntious states of consciousness will surely arise.This is my situation.

I like you will try to be more careful in the future.

I want there to be a very clear distinction drawn between these soul denying, cow and animal slaughtering materialists who call themselves Christians and the person of Christ.

We who are budding transcendentalists must be able to discriminate between thr two.

Jesus Christ belongs to pure Vaisnavas everywhere.Just as does Narada Muni, Prahlada Maharaja, Prthu Maharaja and all the innumerable incarnations that flow onto this dessert like bank of material nature, bringing with Them the living waters of Life.

On the second coming of Christ, I don't know,but the best position would be to be living in His presence here and now.

Christ and Krsna, the perfect union.

theist

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