Shaivite roots of Islam

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There was a request in another thread :

 

Maybe someone can start a thread on the shaivite roots of Islam. There are some interesting articles on this topic.

 

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What was the religion or were the religions in Arab world before Mohammed ? What were the deities worshipped by them ? Who started those religions ? Why are there commonalities between Islam and Vedas ? What is the historic basis ? Is it true that the stone in Mecca is Shiv Lingh as Hindu scholars claim ? Is there a reference to Mohammed in vedic literatures ? Or is it all just interpolation ? If so why are there so many commonalities between Hinduism and Islam ? How can some one whose roots are in Vedas behave crudely towards women and children ?

 

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Vedic Past Of Pre-Islamic Arabia

By a Vedic Researcher

Many centuries before prophet Muhammad and the advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich and glorious center of Vedic civilization. In this article, I will prove to you point by point that pre-Islamic Arabia was in fact a flourishing civilization which revered Vedic culture. In fact the Black Stone at the Kaaba is the Lingam of Lord Shiva. Millions of Muslims kiss this sacred emblem of Lord Shiva every day.

In learning about this most ancient heritage, let's begin with the word Arabistan itself. Arabistan is derived from the original Sanskrit term Arvasthan which means The Land of Horses. Since time immemorial proponents of the Vedic culture used to breed exceptional horses in this region. Thus eventually the land itself began to be called Arva (Horses) -Sthan (place). The people who lived in this land were called Semitic.

Semitic comes from the Sanskrit word Smritic. Arabs followed the ancient Vedic Smritis such as Manu-Smriti as their revered religious guides and thus they were identified as Smritic which has been corrupted into Semitic.

At that time the Uttarapath (Northern Highway) was the international highway to the North of India. It was via Uttarapath that Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries drew their spiritual, educational and material sustenance from India. Besides, this Sea-links were formed with India at least 800 years before the advent of Islam. Basra was the ancient gateway to India because it was at this port that the Arab lands recieved Indian goods and visitors. At that time the spoken language was Sanskrit, which later dwindled into the local variation that we now call Arabic. The proof of this is that thousands of words that were derived from Sanskrit still survive in Arabic today.

Here is a sampling of some:

Sanskrit, Arabic, English: Sagwan, Saj, Teakwood/ Vish, Besh, Poison/Anusari, Ansari, Follower/ Shishya, Sheikh, Disciple/ Mrityu, Mout, Mortal/ Pra-Ga-ambar, Paigambar, One from heaven/ Maleen, Malaun, Dirty, soiled,MALevolent/ Aapati, Aafat, Unfortunate, Karpas, Kaifas, Cotton/ Karpur, Kafur, Camphor/ Pramukh, Barmak, Prominent Chief/Naranga, Aranja, Orange.

Even various kinds of swords were referred to as Handuwani, Hindi, Saif-Ul-Hind, Muhannid and Hinduani. The Sanskrit Astronomical treatise Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta in Arabic translation is known as Sind-Hind, while another treatise Khanda-Khadyaka was called Arkand. Mathematics itself was called Hindisa .

The Arabs derived technical guidance in every branch of study such as astronomy, mathematics and physics from India. A noted scholar of history, W.H. Siddiqui notes:

"The Arab civilization grew up intensively as well as extensively on the riches of Indian trade and commerce. Nomadic Arab tribes became partially settled communities and some of them lived within walled towns practised agriculture and commerce, wrote on wood and stone, feared the gods and honored the kings."

Some people wrongly believe that Arabs used the word Hindu as a term of contemptuous abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. The people of pre-Islamic Arabia held Hinduism in great esteem as evidenced from the fact that they would endearingly call their most attractive and favourite daughters as Hinda and Saifi Hindi. The fact that Arabs regarded India as their spiritual and cultural motherland long before the damaging influence of Islam is corroborated by the following poem which mentions each one of the four Vedas by name: (Note The English translation)

"Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha minar HIND-e Wa aradakallaha manyonaifail jikaratunOh the divine land of HIND (India) (how) very blessed art thou! Because thou art the chosen of God blessed with knowledgeWahalatijali Yatun ainana sahabi akha-atun jikra Wahajayhi yonajjalur -rasu minal HINDATUN That celestial knowledge which like four lighthouses shone in such brilliance - through the (utterances of) Indian sages in fourfold abundance.Yakuloonallaha ya ahal araf alameen kullahum Fattabe-u jikaratul VEDA bukkun malam yonajjaylatunGod enjoins on all humans, follow with hands down The path the Vedas with his divine precept lay down."

"Wahowa alamus SAMA wal YAJUR minallahay Tanajeelan Fa-e-noma ya akhigo mutiabay-an Yobassheriyona jatunBursting with (Divine) knowledge are SAM & YAJUR bestowed on creation, Hence brothers respect and follow the Vedas, guides to salvationWa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin Ka-a-Khuwatun Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratunTwo others, the Rig and Athar teach us fraternity, Sheltering under their lustre dispels darkness till eternity"

This poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in Arabia around 1850 B.C. That was 2300 years before Mohammed!!! This verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish Sultan Salim.

That the Vedas were the religious scriptures to which the Arabs owed allegiance as early as 1800 B.C. proves not only the antiquity of the Vedas but also the existence of Indian rule over the entire region from the Indus to the Mediterranean, because it is a fact of history that the religion of the ruler is practised by his subjects.

Vedic culture was very much alive just before the birth of Muhammad.

Again let's refer to the Sair-Ul-Okul. The following poem was written by Jirrham Bintoi who lived 165 years before the prophet Muhammed. It is in praise of India's great King Vikramaditya who had lived 500 years before Bintoi.

"Itrasshaphai Santul Bikramatul phehalameen Karimun Bihillahaya Samiminela Motakabbenaran Bihillaha Yubee qaid min howa Yaphakharu phajgal asari nahans Osirim Bayjayholeen Yaha sabdunya Kanateph natephi bijihalin Atadari Bilala masaurateen phakef Tasabahu. Kaunni eja majakaralhada walhada Achimiman, burukan, Kad, Toluho watastaru Bihillaha yakajibainana baleykulle amarena Phaheya jaunabil amaray Bikramatoon" - (Sair-ul-Okul, Page 315)

"Fortunate are those who were born during King Vikram's reign, he was a noble generous, dutiful ruler devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time, We Arabs oblivious of divinity were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting & torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country.

Like the lamb struggling for its life in the cruel jaws of a wolf, we Arabs were gripped by ignorance. The whole country was enveloped in a darkness as intense as on a New moon night. But the present dawn & pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favor of that noble king Vikram whose benevolence did not lose sight of us foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred culture amongst us and sent scholars from his own land whose brilliance shone like that of the sun in our country. These scholars & preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made aware of the presence of god, introduced to his secret knowledge & put on the road to truth, had come to our country to initiate us in that culture & impart education."

Thus we can see that Vedic religion and culture were present in Pre-Islamic Arabia as early as 1850 B.C., and definitely present at the time of Mohammed's birth.

In his book Origines, Volumes 3 & 4", Sir W. Drummond adds "Tsabaism was the universal language of mankind when Abraham received his call, their doctrines were probably extended all over the civilized nations of Earth."

Tsabaism is merely the corruption of the word Shaivism which is Vedic religion. On page 439 of this book, Sir Drummond mentions some of gods of pre-Islamic Arabs, all of which were included in the 360 idols that were consecrated in the Kaba shrine before it was raided and destroyed by Muhammad and his followers. Here are some of the Vedic deities and their original Sanskrit names:

Arabic SanskritEnglish Al-Dsaizan,Shani,Saturn/Al-Ozi or Ozza,Oorja,Divine energy/Al-Sharak,Shukra,Venus/Auds,Uddhav-Bag,Bhagwan,God/Bajar,Vajra,Indra's thunderbolt/Kabar,Kuber, God of wealth/Dar,Indra,King of gods/Dua Shara,Deveshwar, Lord of the gods,Habal,Bahubali,Lord of strength,Madan,Madan,God of love/Manaph, Manu,First Man/Manat, Somnath, Lord Shiv/Obodes,Bhoodev, Earth/Razeah,Rajesh,King of kings/Saad,Siddhi,God of Luck/Sair,Shree,Goddess of wealth/Sakiah,Shakrah,Indra/ Sawara,Shiva-Eshwar, God Shiva/Yauk, Yaksha, Divine being/Wad,Budh,Mercury/

The Kaba temple which was misappropriated and captured by Muslims was originally an International Vedic Shrine. The ancient Vedic scripture Harihareswar Mahatmya mentions that Lord Vishnu's footprints are consecrated in Mecca. An important clue to this fact is that Muslims call this holy precint Haram which is a deviation of the Sanskrit term Hariyam, i.e. the precint of Lord Hari alias Lord Vishnu. The relevant stanza reads:

"Ekam Padam Gayayantu MAKKAYAANTU Dwitiyakam Tritiyam Sthapitam Divyam Muktyai Shuklasya Sannidhau"

The allusion is to the Vamana incarnation of Lord Vishnu whose blessed feet were consecrated at three holy sites, namely Gaya, Mecca and Shukla Teertha. Worshipping such carved, holy foot impressions is a holy Vedic custom which convert Muslims are inadvertently perpetuating. But in doing this they delude themselves and mislead others that these foot-impressions which are on reverential display in several mosques and tombs around the world are in fact Muhammad's own. There are several snags in this argument. Firstly worshipping a foot -impression amounts to idolatry and should therefore be taboo for a true Muslim. Secondly Muhhamad disclaimed having performed any miracles. Therefore there can be no foot-impression of his on stone.

Thirdly foot-impressions must always be in pairs like shoes. Yet in most of these shrines, it is usually a single footprint which suggests that Muhammad walked on only one foot. Another question that crops up is whether the foot-impression is of the same size and foot in all the shrines. The fact appears to be that when the Vedic Kaba shrine in Mecca was invaded by Muhammad, the pairs of foot impressions of Vedic deities there were plundered and later traded to the gullible and devout as Muhammad's own footprints for some favour, reward or personal gain by unscrupulous clergy. That is why they are single and not in pairs.

The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta--meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central object of Islamic veneration.

The Shiv Ling at The Kaba. It was broken in seven places and now is held together by a silver band.

All other Vedic Idols could be found buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken. The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It's parts are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall. The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.

In addition, in the inscriptions from Hajja and its neighborhood was found a votive vessel dedicated by members of two tribes called Rama and Somia. Rama and Soma are Vedic deities, Rama is of the Solar dynasty and Soma is of the Lunar Dynasty. The moon god was called by various names in pre-Islamic times, one of them was Allah.

Allah had 3 children, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Al-Lat and Al-Uzza were both feminine deities. Alla is another name for the Hindu goddess Durga. It is obvious that the goddess Al-Lat was Alla (Durga) and Al-Uzza was Oorja (energy or life force also known as Shakti). Manat was none other than Somnath which is another name for Lord Shiva. One significant point to note that Soma in Sanskrit means Moon and Nath means Lord. Thus the Kaba itself was dedicated to the Moon God Somnath alias Shiv and the word Somnath was corrupted to Manat. The famous Black Stone is none other than the ShivLing of Makkeshwar alias Mecca. Lord Shiva is always shown with a crescent Moon on his head and every Shiva temple is supposed to have a sacred water spring representing the Ganges. The Crescent Moon pinnacle of the Kaba and the Zamzam spring (actually Zamza from Ganga) are irrefutable testaments to the Vedic origins of the Kaba.

Maqam-E-Ibrahim or more appropriately the pedestal of Brahma. Muslims from all over the world pay homage to this shrine. This shrine is actually the pedestal of Brahma. Notice that the word, Ibrahim is actually a corruption of the word, Brahma. The octogonal grill which is a Vedic design, protects the holy footprints which represent the start of the creation nearly 2000 million years ago.

Before it was captured by the Muslims it was an international shrine of the Vedic trinity.

In fact the names of the holiest of Muslim cities Mecca and Medina come from the Sanskrit words Makha-Medini which means the land of Fire-Worship. Even the most ancient names of these 2 cities were Mahcorava- which came from Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) and Yathrabn - which came from Yatra-Sthan (place of pilgrimage).

Islam came into being about 1372 years ago. It is well known that over 7500 years ago, at the time of the Mahabharat War, Kurus ruled the world. The scions of that family administered the different regions.

Prophet Muhammed himself and his family were adherents of Vedic culture.

The Encyclopedia Islamia admits as much when it says: "Muhammed's grandfather and uncles were hereditary priests of the Kaba temple which housed 360 idols!"

According to Arab traditions, Muhammad is a title. We do not know what name his parents had given him. We do however know that the central object of worship which survives at the Kaba today is a Shivling. That was allowed to remain there because that was the faceless family deity of Muhammad's family. One of the original names of Lord Shiv is Mahadev (The Great God) therefore it is entirely possible Muhammad came from Mahadev. This appears fairly certain because the Arabs still have a Mahadevi sect. Moreover the title Mehdi of a Muslim chief is also a malpronounciation of the term Mahadeva. According to Sanskrit etymology the term Muhammad implies 'a person of great inspiration' - 'Mahan Madah yasya assau Muhammadah' In a hostile sense it also implies 'a person of a proud and haughty temperament'.

The Qurayshi tribe into which Mohammed was born was particularly devoted to Allah and and the three children of the Moon God. Therefore when Muhammad decided to spread his own Divine religion, he took innumerable aspects of the daily Vedic culture that surrounded him and applied them to suit the temperment of his era.

 

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[Note: A recent archeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia.]

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?

By P.N. Oak (Historian)

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."

For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:

"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".

(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).

[Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]

A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:

1. That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.

2. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.

3. That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.

An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.

Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.

In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.

The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after prophet Mohammad’s times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid’s times.

Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid’s court, has compiled and edited the anthology.

The first modern edition of ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.

The collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual haj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.

But the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions were widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Siva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Siva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.

Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?

A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.

As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets.

The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Siva emblem, is known as the Kaaba. It is clothed in a black shroud. That custom also originates from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed, was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon.

In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.

Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).

[Note: Even today, Muslim pilgrims who go to the Kaaba for Haj regard this Zam-Zam water with reverence and take some bottled water with them as sacred water.]

Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.

The practice of taking seven steps- known as Saptapadi in Sanskrit- is associated with Hindu marriage ceremony and fire worship. The culminating rite in a Hindu marriage enjoins upon the bride and groom to go round the sacred fire four times (but misunderstood by many as seven times). Since "Makha" means fire, the seven circumambulations also prove that Mecca was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia.

It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.

One Koranic verse is an exact translation of a stanza in the Yajurveda. This was pointed out by the great research scholar Pandit Satavlekar of Pardi in one of his articles.

[Note: Another scholar points out that the following teaching from the Koran is exactly similar to the teaching of the Kena Upanishad (1.7).

The Koran:

"Sight perceives Him not. But He perceives men's sights; for He is the knower of secrets , the Aware."

Kena Upanishad:

"That which cannot be seen by the eye but through which the eye itself sees, know That to be Brahman (God) and not what people worship here (in the manifested world)."

A simplified meaning of both the above verses reads:

God is one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.]

The identity of Unani and Ayurvedic systems shows that Unani is just the Arabic term for the Ayurvedic system of healing taught to them and administered in Arabia when Arabia formed part of the Indian empire.

It will now be easy to comprehend the various Hindu customs still prevailing in West Asian countries even after the existence of Islam during the last 1300 years. Let us review some Hindu traditions which exist as the core of Islamic practice.

The Hindus have a pantheon of 33 gods. People in Asia Minor too worshipped 33 gods before the spread of Islam. The lunar calendar was introduced in West Asia during the Indian rule. The Muslim month ‘Safar’ signifying the ‘extra’ month (Adhik Maas) in the Hindu calendar. The Muslim month Rabi is the corrupt form of Ravi meaning the sun because Sanskrit ‘V’ changes into Prakrit ‘B’ (Prakrit being the popular version of Sanskrit language). The Muslim sanctity for Gyrahwi Sharif is nothing but the Hindu Ekadashi (Gyrah = elevan or Gyaarah). Both are identical in meaning.

The Islamic practice of Bakari Eed derives from the Go-Medh and Ashva-Medh Yagnas or sacrifices of Vedic times. Eed in Sanskrit means worship. The Islamic word Eed for festive days, signifying days of worship, is therefore a pure Sanskrit word. The word MESH in the Hindu zodiac signifies a lamb. Since in ancient times the year used to begin with the entry of the sun in Aries, the occasion was celebrated with mutton feasting. That is the origin of the Bakari Eed festival.

[Note: The word Bakari is an Indian language word for a goat.]

Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term. Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.

Vedic descriptions about the moon, the different stellar constellations and the creation of the universe have been incorporated from the Vedas in Koran part 1 chapter 2, stanza 113, 114, 115, and 158, 189, chapter 9, stanza 37 and chapter 10, stanzas 4 to 7.

Recital of the Namaz five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna) which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals.

Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers. This derives from the Vedic injuction ‘Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah’.

Four months of the year are regarded as very sacred in Islamic custom. The devout are enjoined to abstain from plunder and other evil deeds during that period. This originates in the Chaturmasa i.e., the four-month period of special vows and austerities in Hindu tradition. Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Vrat and Shiva Ratra. Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat.

Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita.

According to extant Islamic records, Indian merchants had settled in Arabia, particularly in Yemen, and their life and manners deeply influenced those who came in touch with them. At Ubla there was a large number of Indian settlements. This shows that Indians were in Arabia and Yemen in sufficient strength and commanding position to be able to influence the local people. This could not be possible unless they belonged to the ruling class.

It is mentioned in the Abadis i.e., the authentic traditions of Prophet Mohammad compiled by Imam Bukhari that the Indian tribe of Jats had settled in Arabia before Prophet Mohammad’s times. Once when Hazrat Ayesha, wife of the Prophet, was taken ill, her nephew sent for a Jat physician for her treatment. This proves that Indians enjoyed a high and esteemed status in Arabia. Such a status could not be theirs unless they were the rulers. Bukhari also tells us that an Indian Raja (king) sent a jar of ginger pickles to the Prophet. This shows that the Indian Jat Raja ruled an adjacent area so as to be in a position to send such an insignificant present as ginger pickles. The Prophet is said to have so highly relished it as to have told his colleagues also to partake of it. These references show that even during Prophet Mohammad’s times Indians retained their influential role in Arabia, which was a dwindling legacy from Vikramaditya’s times.

The Islamic term ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ derives from the ‘Eed of Piters’ that is worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition. In India, Hindus commemorate their ancestors during the Pitr-Paksha that is the fortnight reserved for their remembrance. The very same is the significance of ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ (worship of forefathers).

The Islamic practice of observing the moon rise before deciding on celebrating the occasion derives from the Hindu custom of breaking fast on Sankranti and Vinayaki Chaturthi only after sighting the moon.

Barah Vafat, the Muslim festival for commemorating those dead in battle or by weapons, derives from a similar Sanskrit tradition because in Sanskrit ‘Phiphaut’ is ‘death’. Hindus observe Chayal Chaturdashi in memory of those who have died in battle.

The word Arabia is itself the abbreviation of a Sanskrit word. The original word is ‘Arabasthan’. Since Prakrit ‘B’ is Sanskrit ‘V’ the original Sanskrit name of the land is ‘Arvasthan’. ‘Arva’ in Sanskrit means a horse. Arvasthan signifies a land of horses., and as well all know, Arabia is famous for its horses.

This discovery changes the entire complexion of the history of ancient India. Firstly we may have to revise our concepts about the king who had the largest empire in history. It could be that the expanse of king Vikramaditya’s empire was greater than that of all others. Secondly, the idea that the Indian empire spread only to the east and not in the west beyond say, Afghanisthan may have to be abandoned. Thirdly the effeminate and pathetic belief that India, unlike any other country in the world could by some age spread her benign and beatific cultural influence, language, customs, manners and education over distant lands without militarily conquering them is baseless. India did conquer all those countries physically wherever traces of its culture and language are still extant and the region extended from Bali island in the south Pacific to the Baltic in Northern Europe and from Korea to Kaaba. The only difference was that while Indian rulers identified themselves with the local population and established welfare states, Moghuls and others who ruled conquered lands perpetuated untold atrocities over the vanquished.

‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ tells us that a pan-Arabic poetic symposium used to be held in Mecca at the annual Okaj fair in pre-Islamic times. All leading poets used to participate in it.

Poems considered best were awarded prizes. The best-engraved on gold plate were hung inside the temple. Others etched on camel or goatskin were hung outside. Thus for thousands of years the Kaaba was the treasure house of the best Arabian poetic thought inspired by the Indian Vedic tradition.

That tradition being of immemorial antiquity many poetic compositions were engraved and hung inside and outside on the walls of the Kaaba. But most of the poems got lost and destroyed during the storming of the Kaaba by Prophet Mohammad’s troops. The Prophet’s court poet, Hassan-bin-Sawik, who was among the invaders, captured some of the treasured poems and dumped the gold plate on which they were inscribed in his own home. Sawik’s grandson, hoping to earn a reward carried those gold plates to Khalif’s court where he met the well-known Arab scholar Abu Amir Asamai. The latter received from the bearer five gold plates and 16 leather sheets with the prize-winning poems engraved on them. The bearer was sent away happy bestowed with a good reward.

On the five gold plates were inscribed verses by ancient Arab poets like Labi Baynay, Akhatab-bin-Turfa and Jarrham Bintoi. That discovery made Harun-al-Rashid order Abu Amir to compile a collection of all earlier compositions. One of the compositions in the collection is a tribute in verse paid by Jarrham Bintoi, a renowned Arab poet, to king Vikramaditya. Bintoi who lived 165 years before Prophet Mohammad had received the highest award for the best poetic compositions for three years in succession in the pan-Arabic symposiums held in Mecca every year. All those three poems of Bintoi adjudged best were hung inside the Kaaba temple, inscribed on gold plates. One of these constituted an unreserved tribute to King Vikramaditya for his paternal and filial rule over Arabia. That has already been quoted above.

Pre-Islamic Arabian poet Bintoi’s tribute to king Vikramaditya is a decisive evidence that it was king Vikramaditya who first conquered the Arabian Peninsula and made it a part of the Indian Empire. This explains why starting from India towards the west we have all Sanskrit names like Afghanisthan (now Afghanistan), Baluchisthan, Kurdisthan, Tajikiathan, Uzbekisthan, Iran, Sivisthan, Iraq, Arvasthan, Turkesthan (Turkmenisthan) etc.

Historians have blundered in not giving due weight to the evidence provided by Sanskrit names pervading over the entire west Asian region. Let us take a contemporary instance. Why did a part of India get named Nagaland even after the end of British rule over India? After all historical traces are wiped out of human memory, will a future age historian be wrong if he concludes from the name Nagaland that the British or some English speaking power must have ruled over India? Why is Portuguese spoken in Goa (part of India), and French in Pondichery (part of India), and both French and English in Canada? Is it not because those people ruled over the territories where their languages are spoken? Can we not then justly conclude that wherever traces of Sanskrit names and traditions exist Indians once held sway? It is unfortunate that this important piece of decisive evidence has been ignored all these centuries.

Another question which should have presented itself to historians for consideration is how could it be that Indian empires could extend in the east as far as Korea and Japan, while not being able to make headway beyond Afghanisthan? In fact land campaigns are much easier to conduct than by sea. It was the Indians who ruled the entire West Asian region from Karachi to Hedjaz and who gave Sanskrit names to those lands and the towns therein, introduce their pantheon of the fire-worship, imparted education and established law and order.

It may be that Arabia itself was not part of the Indian empire until king Vikrama , since Bintoi says that it was king Vikrama who for the first time brought about a radical change in the social, cultural and political life of Arabia. It may be that the whole of West Asia except Arabia was under Indian rule before Vikrama. The latter added Arabia too to the Indian Empire. Or as a remote possibility it could be that king Vikramaditya himself conducted a series of brilliant campaigns annexing to his empire the vast region between Afghanisthan and Hedjaz.

Incidentally this also explains why king Vikramaditya is so famous in history. Apart from the nobility and truthfulness of heart and his impartial filial affection for all his subjects, whether Indian or Arab, as testified by Bintoi, king Vikramaditya has been permanently enshrined in the pages of history because he was the world’s greatest ruler having the largest empire. It should be remembered that only a monarch with a vast empire gets famous in world history. Vikram Samvat (calendar still widely in use in India today) which he initiated over 2000 years ago may well mark his victory over Arabia, and the so called Kutub Minar (Kutub Tower in Delhi), a pillar commemorating that victory and the consequential marriage with the Vaihika (Balkh) princess as testified by the nearby iron pillar inscription.

A great many puzzles of ancient world history get automatically solved by a proper understanding of these great conquests of king Vikramaditya. As recorded by the Arab poet Bintoi, Indian scholars, preachers and social workers spread the fire-worship ceremony, preached the Vedic way of life, manned schools, set up Ayurvedic (healing) centres, trained the local people in irrigation and agriculture and established in those regions a democratic, orderly, peaceful, enlightened and religious way of life. That was of course, a Vedic Hindu way of life.

It is from such ancient times that Indian Kshtriya royal families, like the Pahalvis and Barmaks, have held sway over Iran and Iraq. It is those conquests, which made the Parsees Agnihotris i.e., fire-worshippers. It is therefore that we find the Kurds of Kurdisthan speaking a Sanskritised dialect, fire temples existing thousands of miles away from India, and scores of sites of ancient Indian cultural centres like Navbahar in West Asia and the numerous viharas in Soviet Russia spread throughout the world. Ever since so many viharas are often dug up in Soviet Russia, ancient Indian sculptures are also found in excavations in Central Asia. The same goes for West Asia.

[Note: Ancient Indian sculptures include metal statues of the Hindu deity Ganesh (the elephant headed god); the most recent find being in Kuwait].

Unfortunately these chapters of world history have been almost obliterated from public memory. They need to be carefully deciphered and rewritten. When these chapters are rewritten they might change the entire concept and orientation of ancient history.

In view of the overwhelming evidence led above, historians, scholars, students of history and lay men alike should take note that they had better revise their text books of ancient world history. The existence of Hindu customs, shrines, Sanskrit names of whole regions, countries and towns and the Vikramaditya inscriptions reproduced at the beginning are a thumping proof that Indian Kshatriyas once ruled over the vast region from Bali to Baltic and Korea to Kaaba in Mecca, Arabia at the very least.

 

 

[raga]

Shivaji, could you insert a space between the paragraphs please? It is difficult to read.

[xxvvii]

I can't believe your words. Indian trend to connect all kinds of civilizations to themselves. Chinese are the same as you. So I believe all other peoples are the same, too.

[shivaji]

"I can't believe your words. Indian trend to connect all kinds of civilizations to themselves. Chinese are the same as you. So I believe all other peoples are the same, too."

 

Not true my friend. It is not the Indian trend to connect all other civilisations with theirs. If Indians are one thing, they are (generally speaking) fairly ignorant about their own ancient civilsation. Only now are there people doing some research into ancient Indian civilsation. For too long, people have clung to useless theories e.g. aryan invasion hypothesis. But anyway, the truth will emerge.

 

BTW, you are free to disbelieve what i have posted. I am not asking to believe in it. But do me one favour, read the article and others, do a bit of ground research, and then decide to completely refute these ideas.

[sushil_kanoria]

Shivaji,

Are you fron Saudi Arab ????

[Guest guest]

 

most of what shivaji wrote is accurate historical fact,supported by mush evidence.

 

conclusions though about vedic ksatriyas ruling over the baltic arabia etc,are a bit

of speculation.

 

There was definetly a presence of vedic

society in one form or another,Iran

practiced a form of vedic society slightly different then India,and other regions the farther you get from india would most likely have been less and less like indian vedic society.

 

The impact probably came mostly from the influence of traders,not military as far as lands distant from India.

 

The Harappan vedic society has shown us a

probably saivite society,their influence

extended to europe,almost all the languages of Europe are in the indo-european

group,derived from sanskrit and local tongues.

 

The semetic languages are not considered by linguists to be in the sanskrit family,although definetly many words were transfered to them from sanskrit.

 

This was because the semitic lands had a language before sanskrit was introduced,

look at the sumerian language or egyptian

hieroglyphics,they are distinct.

 

The truth of Indian influence was suppressed when much of the connections were first discovered by Sir William Jones ,in the 1780's.

 

This was done to hide from the public the origins of western culture so the colonialists could conquer and subjugate

India without impediment from potential

trouble at home.

 

The pre islamic society was not strictly vedic,there were different religions,going back to sumeria and old egypt.

 

 

 

[fayarus]

I read the history written by shivaji.

 

Let me Guide you about the real Islam here.

 

Let me clear one thing first, that Islam is not a religion brought by Prophet Muhammed. Its the religion from God Almighty. Let us analyse little here.

 

Is Moses said his religion is called 'JEWS'?? NO. And nowhere in any of Jews's scripture says their religion is called Jews. But later they took the name of one of their tribes.

 

Did Jesus said his religion is Christianity??

And nowhere in the Bible, either in the Old or New Testaments, it says their religion is called Christianity. Nowhere. Later the anti christians, who were against Jesus, they called them by that name.

 

Was there any religion called 'Hindu'?

we know that the Persians they called the people who lived in certain area.

 

But Quran it confirms that your religion is Islam, and other religion will be acceptable.

and those who follow Islam is called a Muslim. The meaning of word Islam is those who submit his will to the true God.

 

And in Quran confirms again that, Adam was a Muslim, Noah (researches are still going on, as Noah is very similar to Manu Maharshi, the period and all, even the name 'Ma Nuh'),Abraham, Moses, Jesus were all Muslims. Prophet Muhammed is the last Prophet in that chain.

 

Quran speaks about 25 Prophets by name. and Prophet Muhammed said there are 1,25,000 Prophets. But by name Quran speaks about only 25. All the prophets were teaching Monotheism. Most of the prophets were given Gospels / Scriptures.

 

A Muslim is not a Muslim until he believes in all the prophets. A Muslim should believe in Moses, Jesus and all other.

 

The people later their Prophets, started writing their own way, and say that, this is from God. So the scriptures revealed from God was with God's word and men's. Still you can see that, if you study Bible, either the Old TEstament or New Testament. We know that all these prophets came to guide the people in the righ path. But when you read the old testament, we can see that, Prophet Noah, once he drank well and started dancing, and he became nude. Can you believe such things are God's word? Do such Prophets astray that way? Its just an example. There are many morethings.

 

So, the same thing happend in all other scriptures also. I regret to say that, it has happend in Vedas also.

 

We should learn about how the scriptures were preserved?

 

Here Vedas when was it written? None of the Hindu Scholars have proper knowledge about it. They just say it may be 4,000yrs ago.

some they differs. and who wrote it? how it was written? how it was preserved?

 

See the Bible! How it was preserved? Who wrote the New Testament? when you open the new testament you can see that, Gospel according to Mathew, Gospel according to MArk, Gospel according to Luke and Gospel according to John. what is this 'according to'? they are not very sure that its from them. now the Bible says Jesus preached Gospels to that people. Where is that Gospel, which Jesus really preached. we cannot see the 'Gospel of Jesus' in the Bible.

 

When Quran was revealing this was the status of all other scriptures in this world.

 

Quran clarifies that:

 

2:79 "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby."

 

Now the History. We know that when the historical age begins. Historical ages started in A.D. So according to History, there is no evidence that Jesus lived. HOw bout Vedas then?? They dont' have any evidence on it.

 

Now the researchers. In Ramayana, it says Sri Rama and Hanuman they built a bridge to Lanka to save Sita from Ravana. Do we have any monument or proofs for that?

 

Last time when the issue came regarding Babri MAsjid. The Hindus were claiming its the Ram Janma Bhoomi where the Babari Mosque there now. But according to Ramayana, it says the distance from Sarayu River, which is not the place where Babri Masjid is situated. But thats not the subject here, actually that time, the Archeologist did some research on it and found no evidence. Even the fossil study, doesnt' show any lives there during that period as it says in Ramayana.

 

We should say it may be a story to guide the people in a right path.

 

Now Quran and Prophet Muhammed, are in the very clear Historical age. So, there is no doubt on it one who study about Quran and Prophet Muhammed.

 

The story written by Shivaji is not treu at all. Such stories are spreading by the anti Islamic writers. You can refer any of the Encyclopedias, or Authenticated History Books.

 

'Allah' the ARabic word means 'Al Ilah'. Ilah means one who, we can worship. and the Islamic Kalima is 'La Ilaha Illallah' meaning La means No, there is no god but Allah.

 

God Bless all of us.

[Raguraman]

Hare Krishna,

 

Fayarus,

 

U asked many questions on Ramayana and on stories about Lord Shiva. Every Hindu knows that those acts apparently appears to be human in nature. According to vedic religion GOD himself comes among humans in the form of a human being or other creatures to teach men and women the true way of dharma. As far as Ramayana is concerned GOD himself appeared as per the wishes of the DEVAS(divine beings) to protect not only men but this whole universe from the evil which the race of rakshasas(Ravana's race) had caused. Rakshasas are not humans or Devas. Since he took a human form(only apparently) he had to behave like one. It does not mean HE is an ordinary human being. Only the best among men really know who HE IS.

 

Fayarus, you can believe whatever u want. But your hypocricy and insincerity to know vedic religion comes to light always. You asked for the proof of bridge built by Lord Rama. Atleast 6 years back I saw on Sun TV(Tamil TV) that somebody had found a bridge made of stone (pebbles) near the coast of Rameshwaram. I do not have more information on this.

 

Let me ask you a question.

 

Did you ever ask yourself for the proof that whether Quran is really from GOD ??? Is Mohammed really a prophet ??? What proof do you have.

 

I have the following reasons it is not from GOD. My aim is not to hurt anybody. But U asked for it.

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Is GOD so desperate to seduce people with presents of virgin women and even immortal boys.

 

http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/quran/noble/nobae056.htm

 

56. Al-Wâqi'ah

 

10.

And those foremost [(in Islâmic Faith of Monotheism and in performing righteous deeds) in the life of this world on the very first call for to embrace Islâm,] will be foremost (in Paradise).

11.

These will be those nearest to Allâh.

12.

In the Gardens of delight (Paradise).

13.

A multitude of those (foremost) will be from the first generations (who embraced Islâm).

14.

And a few of those (foremost) will be from the later time (generations).

15.

(They will be) on thrones woven with gold and precious stones,

16.

Reclining thereon, face to face.

17.

They will be served by immortal boys,

18.

With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine,

19.

Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication.

20.

And fruit; that they may choose.

21.

And the flesh of fowls that they desire.

22.

And (there will be) Houris (fair females) with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious),

23.

Like unto preserved pearls.

24.

A reward for what they used to do.

 

There are many such verses. I do not wish to go through all that.

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8. Al-Anfâl

 

12.

(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

 

So Allah, the almighty GOD himself, is asking (whatever this particular situation may be) his followeres to kill (striking at neck) those disbelievers and then smite their fingers and toes. This looks like a way of torturing the victims to me. Why is this GOD of yours so hell bent on torturing the disbelievers. Is he so unable to convince the poor human beings that he is the only GOD, that he chooses to convince them by torturing them. In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna teaches Arjuna to fight against against those who cause adharma, but never tells Arjuna to torture and terrorize his enemies like it is described in quran.

 

By the way why not Allah himself kill these disbelievers. What is the necessity to send a messenger(Mohammed) and then create followers through him and then ask these folllowers to kill them. It all seems foolish to me. One strike from a lightning will suffice.

[sushil_kanoria]

Is Mohammed really a prophet ???

No he is the biggest child abuser, surpassing every one, a biggest rascal as confirmed in the bhavishya puran, what is the fun of marrying the 4 year old girl, I ask Fayarus ??

whatever deeds he has done, shows that he was the most lusty person on the earth. marrying so many people just to gratify his libido.

Does all these symtoms belong to a prophet ??

Not to us atleast, but may be to thugs, looters, hooliguns etc. to whom he has preached his religion, to destroy the mankind.

Islam teaches to kill animals & to eat it to satisfy their toung, to kill non muslims, just because they are not following islam.

presently muslims are the real trouble-maker through the world, wherever they go they just create problem for others in the name of jihad, they came to india attacked it alooted them killed so many people, raped many women, does islam preaches all these things ??

They are the most horrible creatures on this planet.

 

Hari Bol,

Sushil

 

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[bhaktajoy]

Fayarus,

Do you really think people from other religions who call Allah by other names like Rama or Jesus going to hell?It would be interesting to know whatIslam says about other practises.

 

Very best regards from Joy

 

 

[This message has been edited by bhaktajoy (edited 07-22-2002).]

[Gauracandra]

I don't know if Islam was based in part on Shaivism, though the few things I have read do lend some circumstantial evidence in this regard (the crescent moon, allah=name of Durga etc...). But even without that, there is no doubt from what I've read that the middle east pre-Islam had some sort of Vedic-basis in Zoroastrianism. Its unfortunate, but with the advent of Islam basically the followers of this ancient religion were killed off and run out of their lands.

[karthik_v]

Fayarus:

 

Now Quran and Prophet Muhammed, are in the very clear Historical age.

 

Really? Is there even one historical evidence that Prophet Mohammad ever existed? By historic evidence I mean, writings by contemparory historians, epigraphs from other empires around then, etc.. The very first compilations of Quran happen only 55 years after the supposed date of existence of Mohammad. In short, there is absolutely no evidence that Mohammad ever existed. For all we care, he is no more than a figment of imagination in the minds of Arab traders who wanted to invent a bunch of rules to further their hegemony. Fayarus, may I know why you have chosen not to answer any of my questions in the other thread as well as my pointing out at the factual errors you had made about Ramayana etc.?

[sushil_kanoria]

Fayarus is not having guts to answer any of the questions.

poor chap.

[shivaji]

Originally posted by sushil_kanoria:

Shivaji,

Are you fron Saudi Arab ????

Fortunately not (P.S. There is only one thing worse than death ?!?!?!?).

 

 

[sushil_kanoria]

unable to understand what you are saying ??

[Guest guest]

i must say i coulint blief that the very nasty person like sushi has bee brought to this world.

i understood that your hindu but i respect your religion.i avoid to to say a bad word to sushis religion though he has abuse my prophet, but on the contrary i pray to the God of the world to guid sushi to the right way because he hasnt understood about islam yet.

be aware not insult the any rligion in the world

thanks bilal

[Guest guest]

Very good topic, let us humans discuss it actively, with malice toward none and firmness for the anveshanam to bring

a little bit of truth out.

 

No venom or hatred, please.

 

The anveshanam continues...

 

=Anveshan=

[tattvadarshi]

I don't know if there is such a being as Allah. If he/it exists, he/it may be a Jinn or some other sort of demon. But Allah is not Krishna. Allah is not Rama. Allah is not Yahweh. Allah is not God.

[Guest guest]

Who is Allah ?

 

By Abu Iman Abd ar-Rahman Robert Squires. © Muslim Answers

 

Some of the biggest misconceptions that many non-Muslims have about Islam have to do with the word "Allah". For various reasons, many people have come to believe that Muslims worship a different God than Christians and Jews. This is totally false, since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God" - and there is only One God. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the same God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus.

 

First of all, it is important to note that "Allah" is the same word that Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews use for God. If you pick up an Arabic Bible, you will see the word "Allah" being used where "God" is used in English. This is because "Allah" is the only word in the Arabic language equivalent to the English word "God" with a capital "G".

 

Because the Qur'an, which is the holy scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, some Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. This is not unique to the word "Allah", since many Muslims tend to use Arabic words when discussing Islamic issues, regardless of the language which they speak. This is because the teachings of Islam - even though they have been translated in every major language - have been preserved in the Arabic language.

[anveshan]

Shivaji’s ‘vedic interpretation’ of history is informative and interesting. Farayu’s “ Islamic interpretation’ of

the direct divine origin of Islam and its superiority of gods of all make and the statement that ‘But Quran confirms that your religion is Islam, and other religion will be acceptable.’, is nothing but highly scholastic.

 

These statements conforms to the highest standards for history writing and re-writing, set by respectable historians of all the time, Sarvasri P.N. Oak, , Irfan Habib and Romila Thapar.

 

America is in fact the Amravati of Purandara and the great destroyer of dams, Devadhidev Indra; The great Kapeeswar, Maruti lived in Mauritania and it is his paternal land, and Bahamas is in fact the corrupted form of Brahma –vas, and Surinam is the land where from the Suryavamsi emepror Raghu ruled over the world. These are facts of history that cannot be suppressed, oppressed, concocted or doctored. In fact, we Indians do not know of the divine roots of ourselves and the scholastic superiority of our great forefathers. Homer, Herodetus and Hippocratus copied

the books our benign Rishies wrote, the architecture for the Egyptian pyramids were taken from our Vastusastra (otherwise how those black fools built such architectural marvels?) It is of much recent history that Socretes , Aristotle and Plato graduated from the universities of Nalanda and Thakshashila.

 

But here we, students of history, have certain doubts. Pre-Islamic Arabia was the cradle of Vedic Culture, Tsabaism or Shaivism. First, the Vedas do not talk less of Shiva. Secondly it is established that ‘ Haram’ is the corrupt form of Hariyam, that of Sriharis. Why it is not Haras?(that which belonging to Hara). Here the Vaishnavite in the historian awakens. But then the case of Shivalinga there. Here your students are confused.

 

The fact is that human culture and civilization was never stationary ; it flowed and spread like water. Because knowledge cannot be confined. There were incessant give and take. If civilization from sub-Saharan Africa could reach us through land and water, why we could not spread out to very neighboring Arabia. India(now the Indian sub-continent) had both land and water routes to the Arabian peninsula. And pre-islamic Arabia, because of its geographic position and the nature of the nomadic trading community, was a meeting point of all cultures from the East and ‘West’. Prominent warring tribes/Tribal heads might have patronized Egyptian, Euphretes-Tigris, Jewish and Indian cultures . And as Shiva said, there was definitely a presence of Indian civilization, Shaivite, Vaidic or otherwise. Naturally there were temples dedicated to Indian deities. Mecca might be possibly one among them.

 

 

And as per Farayus Manu(Ma Nuh), Adam(Aadya Manush!) David, Goliath ,Moses, Jesus, Mohammad and myself are Muslims. That is new testament. Mohammed did not create the hatred that is Islam, but Omnipotent Allah, who gets elated, appeased and enraged, created Islam. The statement “The people later their Prophets, started writing their own way, and say that, this is from God. So, the same thing happened in all other scriptures also. I regret to say that, it has happened in Vedas also. “ is not very clear. And I am unable to understand whether the gospel according to Fayarus, Krishna is a prophet and Kalki Mohammed is the last prophet. Allah, naturally got tired(An Allah who gets flattered , enraged and elated naturally gets tired also)after sending 100,000 plus avatars, prophets and a single saviour. He is very sure that we humans cannot be set right.

 

Muhammed, as he said, is a recent historical figure. No doubt about that. Intelligent, inquisitive and spiritual minded Muhammed was born in an environment of constant tribal fighting and infighting, amidst a chaotic mix of idol worshippers and an extreme anarchic Arab society. Most of the philosophies and theologies might have been oriental(Indian,, Egyptian and Euphrates-Tigris.) with a mix of Jewish and Ismaelist following. The young Muhammed, during his mercantile travels came into contact with the New Religion, a monotheism with a savior that impressed Muhammed. The relatively peaceful societies and social life impressed him. He had a vision: to unite the people of Arabia and bring them together under a single umbrella. Islam is nothing but a mixture of Eastern and Western theologies with a reformed Arabic social(tribal) customs and traditions. Islam was born. A warrior, capable organizer and administrator, Muhammed conquered most of the Arabia during his life time. A foundation stone for a greater Arabic Empire(with divine back-up) was thus laid.

 

What is written in Koran and the Hadiths is known to all: a blend monotheistic theology loaned from Jesus & Moses

with bit of a formless Brahman incorporated plus a social restructuring and reformation plan solely based on the Arabic society and their social needs. With a passion for subjugating for Koran and a deep hatred for the society that refused to submit to Islam.

 

No other religion has done so much harm to non-believers and their age old civilization and culture. The millennia old cultural heritage of Iran-Iraq region razed to the ground, Zarathushtra’s followers were massacred, tortured to subjugation and forcibly converted. The ancient languages of the region(Indo-European) were wiped out, Iraq became the” Devanagari” Arabian nights, and Iran got a bastard language, a mixture of sorts, and started writing left to right.

Those who did not submit to the will of Mohammadan Allah fled helter-skelter. And right before you in this country

they-the Parsis- live as honourable guests. The ethnic cultures of Africa were razed to the ground, Allah and Arabic imposed on them along with Arabian social system as made up-to-date by Muhammed. Arabic became the Devanagri

there also. In spite of the forced conversions, some countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Mongolia and Turkey withstood somehow and to a certain extent, to the onslaught on their languages. Not historians, but fanatics or fools will agree that these people submitted peacefully to the will of Muhammed.

 

Now, since Farayus has mentioned something about Ayodhya. It is evident that Rama once ruled Ayodhya, he was a great North Indian king who went upto the South and because of his valour(and may be because he was a benevolent king of a dynasty of repute) people deified him and made temples dedicated to him all over the North. That was a culture, a civilization. Likewise the Qutab Minar, the Bhojshala, the Mathura temple etc. I have visited all these places and many more with an eye of a non-religious person. The local history, the inscriptions(where ever they are), the architecture of the slabs and columns etc will very well prove that these places were Indian in all respects; religiously & culturally . No great historian, neither Oak or Habib is needed.

 

God save us, humans.

 

[Guest guest]

I read your article with interest.

 

Your article make reference to the land bridge built by Lord Rama to reach Lanka. Recently, Nasa photos revealed evidence of a bridge between India and Lanka. The article is available from Hindu Press International.

 

Thnak you.

 

Kribba Moodly

[Guest guest]

The ancient bridge which was built during Ramayan era has been discovered by NASA. (Click on the following Link)

 

http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/iams/images/earth/STS033/lowres/20003772.jpg

 

For detailed text goto the following website.

 

http://www.hinduism.co.za/oldest.htm

 

Not only that, archeologists are also getting sonar reading from the sunken city of Dwaraka (Shri Krishan's Kingdom) near the coast of Cambay in Gujrat, India.

[Guest guest]

why follow men?

 

no matter wheather the person is spritual or not... if the mind follows the actions and thoughts of others of humans... it will go on missing the divine inspiration...

 

even the prophet Muhammad (pboh) (with respect to all the muslims here) said that 'he was only a man' and that ' he did even know what will happen to him when he dies'

 

just a man...

 

and such arguments are from such of the following of the mind...

 

the spliting of mine and yours ... silly childs game..

 

islam has it's roots in peace along with all other paths of sprituality.

 

all of nature sings the praise of God in unison(except for the human beings)

 

why do you think that is?

 

here is something to consider:

 

Whatever it be wherein you differ, the decision thereof is with God. Such is God my Lord: In Him i trust, and to Him i turn.

 

(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things).

 

To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth: He enlarges and restricts. The Sustenance to whom He will: for He knows full well all things.

 

peace.