Jahnava Nitai Das Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 I saw this verse on another forum: uttamahaituki bhaktih madhyama dhyana-dharana | adhamah karma-sannyasas tarka-carco 'dhamadhamah || The best is causeless, selfless devotion, Steadfast meditation is mediocre; Giving up works is of the least value, The worst of the worst is argument and gossip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 I use to keep a message to myself on my desk that read,"Gossip is poison." I just made another one with skull and cross bones. If we seek the best in others we may have a better chance at finding it within ourselves. theist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 The QURAN. 16:125 Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonehearted Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 uttamahaituki bhaktih madhyama dhyana-dharana | adhamah karma-sannyasas tarka-carco 'dhamadhamah || The best is causeless, selfless devotion, Steadfast meditation is mediocre; Giving up works is of the least value, The worst of the worst is argument and gossip. stone: Can you tell us where this verse is found? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsaneladi Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 "The best is causeless, selfless devotion, Steadfast meditation is mediocre; Giving up works is of the least value, The worst of the worst is argument and gossip" i need this imprinted on the inside of my glasses lenses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Conversation with Srila B.R.Sridhar Maharaj: WAKING FROM THE DREAM We find this verse in Srimad Bhagavatam: avismrtih krsna-padaravindayoh ksinoty abhadrani ca sam tanoti sattvasya-suddhim paramatma-bhaktim jnanam ca vijnana-viraga-yuktam (SB 12:12:55) ["For one who remembers the lotus feet of Krishna, all inauspiciousness soon disappears, and one's good fortune expands. In other words, one becomes free from all material contamination, one attains liberation from repeated birth and death, and one's real spiritual life begins. As one's heart becomes gradually purified, one's devotion for the Lord within the heart awakens, and one realizes the Paramatma. Thus one gradually develops knowledge (jnana), realization (vijnana), and renunciation (vairagya)."] Krishna consciousness, remembrance of the divine feet of Krishna - krsna-padaravindayoh - will dissipate, destroy the abhadra, what is undesirable, what is not good in us. That which is nasty, which is impure within us, will be destroyed by the continuance of Krishna consciousness. In any stage of its development, even in its lower stage, its slightest, 'negligent' connection can destroy our undesirable connection with things of lower nature. And, it will promote goodness within us: sattvasya-suddhim, the substantial character of our existence, will be improved; our soul-existence, that will be purified. Our stand-point, our understanding, our aspiration - everything, will be purified. And, paramatma-bhaktim: we shall attain devotion, attachment to the supersubjective realm; and our knowledge, our conception about that - jnanam ca - will improve. And that knowledge - the conception about Him - will develop to vijnana, a proper connection, and will effect in us viraga-yuktam, apathy to this mundane world. At any cost, we are to maintain our Krishna consciousness. The advice is: try to maintain Krishna consciousness, it is the medicine. And there is no other medicine which can produce Krishna consciousness, which can cure our disease and discover Krishna consciousness within us. Light from Light Krishna consciousness is the cause of Krishna consciousness! And we have to get help from the sadhus who have got Krishna consciousness within them. Just as, from one candle another cadle may be lit. A candle cannot produce light from within, but it is to be lit from another candle - it is something like that. We are to awaken our buried Krishna consciousness, which is covered by 'anyabhilasa-karmma-jnana'1; so, that light, that association, will come to help the sleeping Krishna consciousness within us, and our consciousness will arise from it's sleep and show itself, as it is. So, the method is that: to take sadhu-sanga - krsna-bhakti janma-mula, haya sadhu-sanga - association with the sadhu, devotee of Krishna, is the root-cause of Krishna consciousness. At the same time, it is told that Krishna consciousness is ahaituki, causeless. How are we to harmonise these truths? - Krishna-bhakti, faith in Krishna, or devotion to Krishna, we can get from the sadhu; at the same time it is told that it is 'causeless'. In this connection, Visvanath Cakravarti Thakur has explained the meaning of ahaituki in this verse from Srimad Bhagavatam: sa vai pumsam paro dharmo yatho bhaktir adhoksaje ahaituky apratihata yayatma suprasidati (SB 1:2:6) ["The supreme occupation (dharma) for all humanity is that by which man can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be causeless and uninterrupted, to completely satisfy the self."] He explains that here, Krsna-bhakti is described as ahaituki, causeless, and also apratihata, continuous - so when it is awakened in our heart, we can feel that our heart is getting wonderfully satisfied, yayatma suprasidati. The satisfaction is produced in our heart, we can feel it. Ahaituky apratihata: it has no cause; and it cannot be checked, cannot be opposed, opposition cannot have any effect there - it is such. Bhakti comes from bhakti. In this way it is ahaituki. Just as, the light is there and another candle is lit from it. From light, light is coming. In this way we are to trace it out, to understand it: the original Light, that is eternal, self-existent, and is extending itself, so it has no cause, it is 'causeless'. The cause is there eternally, and it is extending itself. Connection with the Causal Plane And, bhakti is apratihata: temporarily, it may seem to be opposed, or apparently checked, but: nehabhikrama-naso 'sti pratyavayo-na vidyate - ["Even a small beginning in this devotional service can never go in vain nor can any loss be suffered." (Bhagavad-gita 2:40)] - It won't leave you! For the time being it may be suppressed a little, but it cannot be finished - it is of eternal character. It is of eternal character: it has got connection with the eternal aspect of the universe. So, it is 'apratihata'. We are to come near such sort of existence, we are to come in connection with that plane of life - a particular plane, plenary existence, acquaintance, or nature. It is there; only we are to have our connection with it. Systematic knowledge So, in this verse from Srimad Bhagavatam: avismrtih krsna-padaravindayoh ksinoty abhadrani ca sam tanoti sattvasya-suddhim paramatma-bhaktim jnanam ca vijnana-viraga-yuktam (SB 12:12:55) We find here, jnanam ca vijnana viraga-yuktam - 'jnana' means direct knowledge of a thing, and 'vijnana', systematic knowledge. In Bhagavad-gita also, we find this 'vijnana': jnanam te 'ham sa-vijnanam idam vaksyamy asesatah yaj jnatva neha bhuyo 'nyaj jnatavyam avasisyate (BG 7:2) ["Now I shall fully describe to you, with the taste of the flavour of divine sweetness, this knowledge of My grand majestic splendour and opulences. After knowing all this, absolutely nothing will remain for you to know, being situated on this beautiful, joyful and victorious path"] Here we find that jnana means a general knowledge, of the whole, and vijnana means the knowledge of its constituent parts - as a system, systematic knowledge. So: Jnanam ca vijnana-viraga-yuktam, you will attain the knowledge of the Absolute as a 'system' - of parts, in gradation, a hierarchy. Adjusted Attraction And, 'viraga' - viraga has a twofold meaning: one 'negative', and the other, 'positive'. The negative meaning is: you will have no attraction for 'non-God' that is, you will have no mundane attachment, no attraction for mundane 'necessity'. And positive: visisyate-raga - you will have excellent (visisyate) attachment (raga) - that kind of attachment which is accepted through the process of 'selection and elimination', attachment located in its proper place. Your attraction (to Him, to God) will not be through a raw or approximate estimation: "This is good, that is bad; this is a mixture…"; but you will have progressively eliminative attraction, adjusted attraction. This is the meaning of viraga-yuktam. So, this knowledge is such: 'jnanam ca vijnanam-viraga-yuktam': knowledge that is supported by (based on) attraction, and also, by experience of the 'system', that knows how much attachment - more attachment, or less - is necessary in any part of it. Discriminative attachment: "attachment for the eye, attachment for the hand, they should not be equal"; and adjusted attachment, in a particular system. The attachment should be well-adjusted: wherever, and how much, attention is necessary - the criterion is according to that. So, "the head is more important, and the leg, a little less". In this way, you will gradually acquire properly-adjusted attachment for the systematic whole. First it is hazy, a 'mass of attraction', and then the attraction will be systematised. As much as you will come in connection with the other side - the object of your attachment - in a systematic way, so much you will be able to realise (Him). Clearer Conception So: avismrtih krsna-padaravindayoh ksinoty abhadrani ca sam tanoti In a general way, the path of good advancement is given here. And, then, 'sattvasya-suddhim': your understanding, in its progress, will have its undesirable portion eliminated. Your conception will become more clear - clearer and clearer. With that clarity, undesirable things from your conception will gradually vanish, and your progress will lead you to the perfect conception: sattvasya-suddhim. In the beginning, that 'sattva' (truth) is what you come to understand in an approximate way, to be 'eternal', or sat-cit-ananda (eternal truth, consciousness and bliss), but there will be gradual development in your understanding; it will become more clear and more pure. So, the development towards Krishna consciousness is such. First, a 'mass of light'; then the figure; then the potency; then the 'lila' (pastimes) with the potency. In this way your approach will be closer and closer, and many things, the closest and minutest things, will come to your view. The minutest part also, the most detailed detailed things - the whole cit-vilasa2 will be very close to you. You will be led higher and higher, closer to the specified, differentiated view of that plane. In this way there is progressive development - progress in bhakti, devotion. 1 'Anyabhilasa-karmma-jnana' - fruitive (fruit-seeking, selfish) work, the result of the attempt to satisfy material desires, both fleeting and 'organized'; and the rearch for philosophical / spiritual knowledge, devoid or independent of devotional service. 2 'Cit-vilasa' - the spiritual variegatedness of the (supra)conscious plane. (This text is reproduced from a conversation with Srila Sridhar Maharaj in 1982. It was originally edited and published by Sripad Tridandi Maharaj in the book 'Azwakening to the Absolute' (Malaysia, 1999).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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