Srimati Radharani talk

[dasanudas]

This is especially for Valaya Prabhu

I'm waiting for a lead

[Gauracandra]

Srimad Bhagavatam 10.30.28

 

anayaradhito nunam

bhagavan harir isvarah

yan no vihaya govindah

prito yam anayad rahah

 

anaya - by Her; aradhitah - perfectly worshipped; nunam - certainly; bhagavan - the Personality of Godhead; harih- Lord Krsna; isvarah - the supreme controller; yat - inasmuch; nah - us; vihaya - rejecting; govindah - Lord Govinda; pritah - pleased; yam - whom; anayat - led; rahah - secluded place.

 

Certainly this particular gopi has perfectly worshipped the all-powerful Personality of Godhead, Govinda, since He was so pleased with Her that He abandoned the rest of us and brought Her to a secluded place.

[dasanudas]

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

Srimad Bhagavatam 10.30.28

 

anayaradhito nunam

bhagavan harir isvarah

yan no vihaya govindah

prito yam anayad rahah

 

anaya - by Her; aradhitah - perfectly worshipped; nunam - certainly; bhagavan - the Personality of Godhead; harih- Lord Krsna; isvarah - the supreme controller; yat - inasmuch; nah - us; vihaya - rejecting; govindah - Lord Govinda; pritah - pleased; yam - whom; anayat - led; rahah - secluded place.

 

Certainly this particular gopi has perfectly worshipped the all-powerful Personality of Godhead, Govinda, since He was so pleased with Her that He abandoned the rest of us and brought Her to a secluded place.

Just a glint of insight into this very sacred pastime from 'Loving Search for the Lost Servant' this to me illustrates the deepest appreciation that our most beloved masters have for the Divine Heart of Her Loving Grace.Jaya Sri.

 

Victory Of Devotion

 

Once, Radharani left the rasa lila when She saw that all the gopis were being dealt with almost equally by Krishna. Equal treatment towards one and all did not satisfy Her. So She decided to display a composition of singing and dancing to please Krishna in a most wonderful trancendental way. Radharani showed Her skill in various ways, and then at the last moment, She suddenly disappeared. And as Krishna was engaged in that combined singing and dancing, He suddenly found that Radharani was absent. So He left everyone to search for Radharani. He met Her on the way, and after walking for some time, Radharani told Him, I can't move, I can't walk anymore. If You would like to go on, You will have to carry Me. I cannot go further. And suddenly, Krishna disappeared.

A disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura once asked him why Krishna had disappeared in such a way. But our guru maharaja was very disturbed to hear such a question. In this lila, Krishna is apparently showing some disregard for Radharani. So our guru maharaja, by his very nature, could not even tolerate such a question. He had so much partiallity towards Radharani that he was not disposed to hear anything against Her. And so, in a rather excited mood he answered, Do you find any devotion here? What bhakti do you find here that you have asked me this question? The question was rejected. He could not tolerate even an enquiry regarding that pastime.

When this news came to me, I tried to find what Bhaktivinoda Thakura had written in his words about this verse of srimad-Bhagavatam in his own translation, Bhagavatarka-Marici-Mala. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has harmonized the difficulties in the verse. He explains that Krishna was thinking, I would like to see what will be the mentality of separation in Her. Only to appreciate the depth of the separation She felt from Him did Krishna disappear. Then of course Krishna returned after some time.

But our guru maharaja could not even tolerate the idea. "Where is devotion to be found here" But Bhaktivinoda Thakura interpreted this pastime to mean that Krishna was driven to see what kind of happiness in separation Srrimati Radharani would experience. He took this as an example of how the absolute becomes subservient to His devotee. And so we find that the negative, Srimati Radharani, is so powerful that the positive, Krishna, becomes powerless near Her. It is as if the positive loses its separate existence. This is the victory of devotion.

Devotion is represented in the negative side, drawing from the positive. There is the juice in a fruit and the one who extracts the juice from the fruit. The highest devotion is found where the extraction is in its most intensified condition there is the victory of the devotees. Where the absolute accepts defeat before his servitors. This reveals the real presence of devotion, dedication, surrender.

 

 

[JRdd]

I am feeling kind of sad that my Kanea has no Radha. I would appreciate inputs on this, meditations, etc. I wonder if I pray hard enough She may come for Him? Right now He has His cow and His Flute. But no Radharani.

 

ys, Jayaradhe

[amanpeter]

From a recent talk by Srila Narayana Maharaja:

 

"Krsna, the Cupid of cupids, entered Vrndavana near the bank of the Yamuna,

which was full with fragrant flowers. Standing under the shade of a

Vamsivata tree, He played on His flute, and all were attracted. Some of the

gopis had been sleeping, some had been making capatis, and some were

decorating themselves, and at that time this messenger came - the very sweet

and very attractive flute-sound. It came and entered in the houses of the

gopis. Then, it went through the door of their hearts. It forcibly took

their hearts, and they began running towards Krsna.

 

The gopis thought, "Krsna is a very big thief. He is like a dacoit. He has

taken everything and not left us anything. He has taken our hearts. How can

we live? How can we maintain our lives?" As they ran to follow that

flute-sound, they called to Krsna, "You should return our hearts, otherwise

we will continue to follow You." They had no time to tell others that they

were going. They all simply ran to follow Krsna's flute-sound. They wondered

from where this flute-sound was coming, and they said, "O very beautiful,

marvelous Cupid of cupids! You should return our hearts, otherwise how can

we return home? We cannot return now. Without our hearts we can never

return.

 

After that rasa began, and Krsna danced with each gopi. There were lakhs and

lakhs gopis, and Krsna also became lakhs and lakhs. Why? All the gopis had

left their husbands and their chastity. They had given up their houses,

wealth, reputation, shyness, and everything else. In India, a lady cannot

give up these things. She will prefer to die rather than give up her

chastity. This is a special quality in Indian ladies. They can give up

anything, but they would prefer to die than give up their shame. The gopis,

however, left even this, and therefore Krsna wanted to satisfy them all. He

manifested Himself with each gopi simultaneously, attracting them all by

dancing with them in various dance postures. If He did not do so, He would

have been reni, indebted to them. He was obligated to try to satisfy them -

and the scene was very wonderful.

Krsna always tells all the gopis, especially Srimati Radhika, "O, you are My

most beloved." During the rasa dance Radhika saw that, "He is a very cunning

cheater, liar, and debauchee. He just told Me, 'You are most beloved. There

is no one like You.' but now He is dancing with all the gopis - right in

front of Me." She could not tolerate this, and She thus disappeared from the

dance arena.

 

Krsna thought, "If there is no Radhika, there can be no dance. For whom is

this dance, and for whom is this rasa? Krsna therefore pursued Her,

lamenting, "Where has Srimati Radhika gone?" He played on His flute, "O

Radhika, where are You, where are You? I cannot tolerate Your separation."

Somehow He found Her. He decorated Her and begged Her pardon, "I promise I

will not offend You anymore. Be pleased with me. Be merciful to Me." He then

placed His flute and peacock-feathers in Her hands and said, "You are My

master, You can use Me in any way."

 

na paraye 'ham niravadya-samyujam

sva-sadhu-krtyam vibudhayusapi vah

ya mabhajan durjara-geha-srnkhalah

samvrscya tad vah pratiyatu sadhuna

 

["I am not able to repay My debt for your spotless service, even within a

lifetime of Brahma. Your connection with Me is beyond reproach. You have

worshiped Me, cutting off all domestic ties, which are difficult to break.

Therefore please let your own glorious deeds be your compensation." (SB

10.32.22)]

 

Radhika became pacified and satisfied.

 

Later, after Radhika and the other gopis sang Gopi-gita, Krsna returned in

their midst. At that time the gopis, who were also clever - even more so

than Krsna - began to ask Him something. They inquired, "We have heard about

a certain kind of person who loves others only as much as others love him.

He thinks, 'If you love me, I will love you.' Another kind or love and

affection is this: 'Whether or not you love me, I will love you.' There is

also a third type of person. Whether anyone loves him or not, still he does

not love anyone. In this way there are three kinds of persons. O Krsna, in

what category are You? Please explain this to us."

 

The gopis were cleverly creating such an atmosphere that Krsna would admit

whether He was doing prema or not. Having heard their inquiry, Krsna smiled

very slyly and cunningly. He is the guru of the cunning. He said, "Those who

'love for love' are not real lovers or beloveds. They are businessmen. Those

who give some coins to a shopkeeper and take something in return, like rice,

dahl, and so on, are business persons. Theirs is not pure love." Do you

understand? Krsna is saying, "If someone loves a person, and he wants that

the person he loves should also love him in return, he is like a business

person. I am not in this category. Next, regarding the person who, whether

or not someone loves him he loves that other person, this is very good. O

gopis, you are like this. Whether I love you or not, you are giving your

love to me.

 

"This is fatherly or motherly love and affection. A father and mother never

demand any love from their children, and they always support them. Even if

the children are doing any nonsense, as soon as the say, "O mother, O

father!" the parents will forget everything for their sake. This is very

pure, and you are like this. Whether I am loving you or not, you are loving

Me. I am not like that. I am not in that category. Regarding the third type,

I am also not among those who do not love others, whether others love them

or not."

 

Who are they? There are four kinds of persons in this category, and two of

them are those who are atmarama and those who are aptakama. Sri Sukadeva

Gosvami is an example of one in this category. Whether anyone loves him or

not, what does he do? He has no such love because he is always thinking

about the Lord and he is very satisfied in that. He has no time, no other

vision, to notice whether one is loving or not loving." Our love is worldly

love. He is in transcendental love, serving Krsna, and therefore he is

happy. He is called atmarama. Those in the category of aptakama are those

whose desires have all been satisfied. How? By remembering, chanting, and

serving Krsna. Krsna informed the gopis, "I am neither atmarama nor

aptakama."

 

The third and fourth kind in this category are guru-drohi and akrtagya

(ungrateful). If your father and mother and guru-jana (superiors) are

supporting and nourishing you from childhood, but you are not serving them,

you are akrtagya. Never be ungrateful to them. Only in the case where they

are against Krsna and krsna-bhakti can you avoid their service. Otherwise,

you should always serve them. Don't be ungrateful.

 

The guru-drohi is he who, with or without reason, gives sufferings to their

superiors. Don't give any sufferings or problems to your father or mother or

gurudeva - especially gurudeva. Time is very short, so I am telling this in

brief.

 

Krsna told the gopis, "There are many guru-drohis, but I am not among this

category. I am also not atmarama.Why not? You are the Supreme Lord. You

are more than Sukadeva Gosvami.Oh, I am not atmarama because I played on

the flute and called you all. I am not happy without you, and therefore I

am not atmarama. You are My atma, you are My soul. I want to please you and

you want to please Me; so I am not atmarama.

 

"I am also not aptakama, because my desires have not been fulfilled. That is

why I am praying to you, 'Don't be angry with Me.' I am praying to you so

that I can be satisfied. One who is atmarama or aptakama cannot pray like

this. How can you tell Me that I am atmarama or aptakama? In My boyhood I

used to steal butter from here and there, and if My mother was engaged in

her household duties and did not give me all her attention, I used to be

very angry. You know? I once made a hole in the pot of yogurt, and at that

time My mother became very angry with Me and followed Me with a bamboo

stick. So how am I atmarama? I am not.

"I like you, I am attached to you, and that is why I am pacifying you. I am

praying to you, and this shows that I am not atmarama.

 

"You may think that I am a guru-drohi or akrtagya, but I am not. I was

grateful to My mother, and I was grateful to my friends. So I am not among

any of these categories."

 

The gopis then asked, "Then who are You? In what category are You?" Krsna

replied, "Oh, I like you. I want to glorify you throughout the world. You

gopis are my best friends. I will not be able to repay you in lakhs and

lakhs births. I cannot repay you." Then the gopis said, smiling, "You have

repaid us because You have taken shelter at our lotus feet, and You are

saying, 'I am defeated by you.' This is what we wanted."

 

What is this? It is unnatojjvala rasa. The way in which the gopis satisfied

Krsna with their love is called unnatojjvala rasa. This is the highest love,

and it is only in Radhika - in Her mahabhava. It is not in anyone else. The

fraction of Srimati Radhika's mood to please Krsna should be our objective,

otherwise Krsna cannot be fully controlled. Caitanya Mahaprabhu came

especially to give this. The mood of Radhika should not be our object. Our

only goal is to serve those who have this mood - the gopis. This is the mood

of the manjaris. How shall we serve Radhika? We shall attain Her service by

serving Her sakhis like Lalita, Visakha, Rupa Manjari, and others. We want

the mood of Rupa Gosvami internally and externally, as he has explained in

his Vidagda Madhava and Lalita Madhava. You should know that the beauty of

unnatojjvala rasa is the mood of the kinkiris, the manjaris, the

maidservants of Srimati Radhika. This is the highest objective for us. It is

our sadhya.

 

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

 

[This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 06-02-2001).]

[amanpeter]

Originally posted by dasanudas:

This is especially for Valaya Prabhu

I'm waiting for a lead

Prabhu, I would be grateful if you could post the explanation of our only being interested in Krsna because of Radhika, as explained in "Loving Search For The Lost Servant" (p.97). Your personal realizations and experience are also welcomed. Thank you.

 

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Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

[dasanudas]

What can I say Prabhu Who am I, and who are they, where am i, and where are They. It appears to me that Krsnas heart is wrapped around the little finger of Madhana Mohana Mohini. She is the very pulse, the heart and halo of His existence and yet how are we to understand the unthinkable, separation for a single moment, what kind of consolation can possibly fill the void of their parting?

In this way I can understand a little.

It's all Srimatis mercy, for she is the Hladini reservoir of all our existence, she is truly the life of our life. Otherwise if she were not, in Her infinite kindness allowing Him to share His love with us, which includes Her in various ways, we just would'nt exist. This is called pure selfless love for not only the super-subjective Lord of Her soul- Krishna, but simultaneously for each and every part of Krsna. Which when we wake up to our real swarup and we realize ourselves as servants to Their Loving pastimes, accordingly in varying degrees of inner fullfillment, thats potentially all of us there, somewhere according to our intrinsic seva capacity, we will find our place in the assistence of Their pleasure and satisfaction.

If we can somehow aquire but a drop of the maha sukriti derived from serving those surrendered lovers of Her, amongst the millions of Her expansions. All our divine prospect rests in this one hope and aspiration. This is why I think Srila Das Goswami prays thus. If you could be a little more spacific in phrasing your question as there is a vast ocean in just one of Srila Sridhara Maharajs pointsThen I can probably give you another unsatisfactory answer perhaps you can offer it to various acharyas and we can all catch theier angles of vision.

 

In the Beauty of Radharani, Krsna has excelled Himself so that He may be able to love beauty and be loved by beauty just as she can for Him, for otherwise is someone tasting or experiencing something more than Him when He is the Supreme enjoyer, He has to be the best at everything. This is where the Finite starts to conquer the infinite. This is where that nice exchange at Imli tala took place. Hence the advent of our Golden Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and who knows what other miraculous revelations exists in Radha and Krsnas Consciousness. Infinite possibilities are there prabhu if we per chance connect to those truly living in Their Consciousness. And Their loving search campaign wants us to be there. Right now there are such rare souls living on this planet who are sharing their glorious existence with us, who open the doors to eternity every time we meet, if only we can throw ourselves at their feet.

But I'm just a frustrated 2 fingered typist that can't express every direction my mind explodes into fast enough. Please forgive my limitations. Sorry for falling short of a satisfactory answer to your very deep and delightfull question. I have a whole line of people pulling on me to give some attention at this junction. But no doubt, it and more will be answered more fully shortly either directly or indirectly, Their magical mystical ways can't be kept from the sincere inquisitive heart. I'm finding much is now happening in the Gaudiya Vaisnava World, you could say it has to, it's in emergency mode.

Gaura Hari

 

How much do you want pasted prabhu? Heres a starter

Rupanuga Nama

 

The followers of the rupanuga sampradaya can never deviate from that consciousness in their chanting of the maha-mantra. And with this conception, they go on with the service of Hari-Hara, Radha-Krishna. They absorb themselves in radha-dasyam. They cannot think of anything else but that. And once having fully attained that plane, they can never come down from that level, from the interest of Radha-Krishna. They cannot allow themselves to be out of that circle.

That is the position of our highest aspiration, and according to a devotees's adhikara, or spiritual qualification, that sort of meaning will awaken in one's mind. It will be awakened, discovered by sadhana. At that time the covering of the heart will be removed and divine love will spontaneously spring up from the fountain of the heart as the inner function of the soul.

Once, the Diwan of Bharatpur had come on a pilgrimage with his family to the holiest of places, çr^ Radha-kunda, the holy lake of Srimati Radharani. He and his family were circumambulating Radha-krsna. They would fall flat on the ground, offering obeisances lying down with their arms outstretched. Every time they bowed down in this way, they would mark the spot where their fingertips touched the earth. Then they would slowly rise, step forward to where that spot had been marked, and again fall flat, offering their obeisances with great respect and adoration. In this way they were circumambulating the entire Radha-kunda. Upon seeing such intense worship, Paramananda Prabhu, an intimate disciple of our guru maharaja srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, intimated to Prabhupada that the Diwan and his family must have great respect for Radharani to circumambulate the Radha-kundaa in such a fashion.

At that time Prabhupada said, "Their angle of vision towards Radha-kunàa and Radharani and Radharani is different from ours. They recognize and reverse Krishna. And because Radharani is Krishna's favorite, they also have some reverence for Radha-kundaa. But our vision is just the opposite. Our concern is with Radharani. And only because She wants Krishna do we have any connection with Him."

And so, the Gaudiya Vai£òavas know only Radharan^. They are concerned only with Her, and Her duties, Her necessities. They are ready to serve Her in all respects, and cannot contemplate any service without Her. That is the highest achievement of the Gaudiya Vaisnavas, that is the special feature of Mahaprabhu's party, and that was announced by Raghunatha Dasa Goswam^in his Vilapa-kusumanjali (102):

 

aßabharair-amùta-sindhu-mayaiè kathancit

kalo mayatigamitaè kila samprataì hi

tvaì cet kùpam mayi vidhasyasi naiva kiì me

pranair vraje na ca varoru bakarinapi

 

This verse is a direct prayer to Radharan^. It expresses a particular type of hope which is so sweet and reassuring that it is compared with an unlimited ocean of nectar. He says, "There is a hope which is sustaining me and nurturing my existence. With that hope I am somehow passing my days, dragging my life through these tedious times. That nectarine ocean of hope is attracting me and keeping me alive. But my patience has reached its end. I can't endure it any longer. I can't wait any more.

"At this moment if You do not show Your grace to me, I am finished. I shall lose my prospect forever. I shall have no desire to continue my life. It will all be useless. Without Your grace, I can't stand to live another moment. And Vrindavana, which is even dearer to me than my life itself-I am disgusted with it. It is painful; it is always pinching me. And what to speak of anything else, I am even disgusted with Krishna. It is shameful to utter such words, but I can have no love even for Krishna unless and until You take me within Your confidential camp of service." This is the prayer of Raghunatha Dasa.

When Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada would begin to explain this verse, his figure would be come transformed. He would become full of emotion; his face would become like that of a phantom.

In this verse, Raghunatha Dasa Goswami, taking an extreme risk, says, "O Radha, if I do not get Your favor, I don't want anything. I want You and You alone. To have an independent relationship with anyone else, eliminating You, is impossible in my life. You must be first, and then others. Without You, we can never even think of a separate relationship with Krishna."

Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja has written that without Radharani's company, Krishna is not beautiful. Everything is realtive-dependent. A teacher depends on the student, and the student depends on his teacher. Although Krishna is the enjoyer, He is completely dependent on the enjoyed, Srimati Radharani. The two are correlative; one cannot be separated from the other. As the enjoyed, Radharani is also absolutely dependent on Krishna, the enjoyer.

Radharani says, "My fate is lost forever because I have given Myself, I have sold Myself to many palces. When I heard flute, I dedicated Myself to the song of the flute. When I heard the name of Krishna, I dedicated Myself to that sound. And when I saw a beautiful picture of Krishna, I wholly dedicated Myself to that picture. So in three places I have sold Myself completely, with no possibility of any happiness or peace in My life. If I had dedicated Myself to only one thing, there might have been a possibility of peace, but because I have dedicated Myself in three different places, I am hopeless.

"Seeing the picture of Krishna, I could't contain Myself to that beautiful figure, and so I dedicated Myself fully. The name if Krishna also purchased Me fully. And the sweet sound from the flute-that has also drawn Me to the extrreme of dedication. So how can I hope for peace in My life? It is impossible, My friends." Radharaò^ did not not it at that time, but the source of Krishna's flute, His name, and His beauty are one. If She could have seen how all three of these meet together, then it would have been possible for Her to have peace of mind. But it is difficult to understand this principle.

How is it that the sound of Kù£na's flute, the sound of His name, and a picture of His form are nondifferent from Krishna Himself? Idealism. In Hegel's word, ideal realism. The absolute idea is not to be dismissed as an abstract thing; rather, it is the basis of all existence. Reality is there, but it is ideal realism. And the foundation of the reality of Vùndavana is given by Nityananda, Baladeva: nitaiyer koruna habe, braje radha-Krishna pabe, dharo nitai caraòa du'khani.

After Bhaktivinoda Thakura describes the postion of Radharani in his çaraòagati, he says, "i want to serve those who have the service of Radharan^ in their heart. ^want to serve the feet dust of those whose only wealth is the service of Sri Radha. I want to fall before them and take the dust of their holy feet. If you cannot fix your mind in the service of Radharan^, then all your attempts to serve Krishna are useless. If you cannot achieve earnestness in the service of Srimati Radharani, then all your labor for Krishna has gone to hell." We cannot concceive of a sun without heat, nor can we conceive of Godhead without His potency. So also, no conception of Krishna is possible without çrimat^ Radharan^. We can't know any Madhava without Radha.

She is Krishna's other half-in Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's language, the predominated moiety. Devotional service as a whole is represented by Her, because both the intensity and the comprehensiveness of Her service to Krishna are unparalleled. There are so many examples of chaste and pious ladies in the ancient history of the Puranas: çac^, the faithful wife of Indra; Sati, the wife of Lord çiva; Laksmidevi, the Goddess of fortune; Satyabhama, Krishna's wife in Dwaraka; Rukmini, the principle queen of Krishna in Dwaraka; and even the antagonist of Radharani, headed by Candravali. All of them represent different aspects of Radharani. They all spring from the main postency which is known as Radha.

 

[talasiga]

Dear JRdd

when Radha sees Krishna from a grove

she does not see herself either

perhaps you are gazing from a similar direction

Kind Regards

[JRdd]

Dear Talasiga,

 

Thank you so much for this perspective. Now I have a good meditation, just imagining that She is peering at Her beloved from behind a tree. I wll assure Kanea of this.

 

your servant,

Jayaradhe

[Maitreya]

"I will assure Kanea of this"

 

JRdd You just made my day.My day is full already.Anything else is bonus.

 

YS MC