Have the Jewish People and Hindus ever fought each other?

[darkangel]

A friend and I were discussing the other day, which religions of the world have fought with each other over the years. We created a list and compared it. To our surprise the two religions who have don't seemed to have sparred with each other (as far as we can work out) are Jewish faith and the Hindu faith. I'm using the word Hindu faith loosely as I know that it is more complex than this but this is a question more about war, than religious philosophy.

The list we came up with is as follows:

 

Catholic versus Protestant (vis-a-vie)

Islam versus Judaism (vis-a-vie)

Islam versus Christianity (vis-a-vie)

Hindu versus Islam (vis-a-vie)

Judaism versus Christianity (vis-a-vie)

Hindu versus Christianity (vis-a-vie)

 

Can anyone enlighten me on wars between Jewish and Hindu peoples? I would be intrigued to find out if there ever has been a dispute between these religions.

 

 

 

 

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Diversity is the Spice of Life...

[Gauracandra]

No I don't think they have ever fought. I think most of the fighting between groups is usually over property. Since Hindus and Jews don't occupy the same property they aren't fighting.

 

Gauracandra

[Tarun]

No. Not until the 1990s Alachua Phenomena at which point...

the matzoh balls & kafta balls starting flying...

Passive resistance was called for. But who could resist?

[valaya]

Originally posted by Tarun:

No. Not until the 1990s Alachua Phenomena at which point...

the matzoh balls & kafta balls starting flying...

Passive resistance was called for. But who could resist?

Any photos available?

 

 

[Tarun]

Only aerial photography sans zoom lens.

Everytime those helicopters closed in, it blew'em away.

Or they were 'blown away'. Which sounds better?

And from above, fear was: Bhakta Black Hawk Down

Ramezvar & SvarUp DAmodar once went 12 rounds together.

What a battle!

Same with those KRSNa GoswAmI brothers: GopAl & Hot Tamale.

Whatta match! Whatta a free-for-all!

[Tarun]

Darkangelji: Your thread title can easily be misconstrued as rascist.

You titled it: "Have Jewish People & Hindus Ever Fought?"

It's as if Jews were people, human, Hindus were not.

Next time better to just print:

Have Jews & Hindus or Hindus & Jews ever fought?

[darkangel]

Originally posted by Tarun:

Darkangelji: Your thread title can easily be misconstrued as rascist.

You titled it: "Have Jewish People & Hindus Ever Fought?"

Next time better to just print:

Have Jews & Hindus or Hindus & Jews ever fought?

Tarun

 

I didn't mean it to be at all racist. I was just curious because all religions seem to have had wars at one time or another. I take your point and agree with you, about clarifying what I meant.

 

 

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Diversity is the Spice of Life...

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

I think that there having never been wars and religious contentions between hindus and jews shows that the problems these two have had with a certain 'other' group - is the fault of that 'other' group - these 'others' are the ones who cannot get along with jews and hindus [and other groups too]...

[Guest guest]

not a war, really, but a fiasco where the jews were destroyed by those of hindu-type leanings (ie aryan, mysticism with hindu type roots, kali worship, etc.). Also, the indian govt did not disavow the nazis and only opposed because of british rule, but really sided with the enemy of their enemy.

 

just a thought. mahak

[suchandra]

If we consider to agree with the truth of the Old Testament, to enforce a usury based monetary system upon a nation - this can be called war. In 1948, short after Mahatma Gandhi was killed the Rotschild's (East India Company) private Bank of India, RBI, branch of BOE (Bank of England) introduced the usury based monetary system in India, a fact which many Indians still cant accept.

The biblebelievers in Australia give further details: The extraction of usury is "one of the oldest professions of man." (Forrest M. Smith, III, The Regulation of Interest: Practice and Procedure, 10 ST. MARY'S L. REV. 825, 1979). First came the Temple Priests, then the Goldsmiths and the commercial bankers of today. The first use of the fractional reserve system was in the Temple of Shamash under Hammurabi -- the sixth king of Babylon (Peter Cook, FEDERAL RESERVE FRACTIONAL RESERVE AND INTEREST-FREE GOVERNMENT CREDIT EXPLAINED 4, 1991). The ecclesiastical doctrine of interest was the greatest obstacle to modern banking. It was primarily based upon 1) Aristotle's condemnation of interest as an unnatural breeding of money by money, 2) Christ's (supposed) condemnation of interest (Luke 6:34) and the reaction of the Fathers of the Church against commercialism and usury in Rome. (Will Durant, THE AGE OF FAITH 630, 1950). The moral condemnation of this ancient practice has been summarized: "It comes as news to most people to learn that practically all important ethical teachers -- Moses, Aristotle, Jesus, Mohammed, and Saint Thomas Aquinas, for instance -- have denounced lending at interest as usury and as morally wrong" (Lawrence Dennis, "The Squirrel Cage of Debt," Saturday Review of Literature 661, June 24, 1933).

Usury has been condemned since biblical times. (George Braden, II THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS: AN ANNOTATED AND COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS 729, 1977). It was originally considered usurious to make any charge for the use of money. Id. Originally the word interest had the same essential meaning as usury. Smith, III, p. 826. The word "usury" used to mean any interest. It came to mean interest that exceeds the rate established by law (Ken Warner, GIVE US A KING 120-121, 1988).

Interest comes from the Latin verb "intereo" meaning to be lost. F.W. Maisel at 141, The ancient Israelites called usury "a bite." It is like the slow poison of a serpent: "Usury does not all at once destroy a man or nation with, as it were, a bloody gulp. Rather, it slowly, sometimes nearly imperceptibly, subverts the victim's constitution until he cannot prevent the fatal consequences even though he knows what is coming." Mooney, p. 23. The practice of lending to an enemy was "as a means of destroying him" (Jno. H. Kimmons, Usury: What Is It, and Does the Law of God Forbid It? 163, Undated).

The Old Testament "classes the usurer with the shedder of blood, the defiler of his neighbor's wife, the oppressor of the poor, the spoiler by violence, the violator of the pledge, the idolater, and pronounces the woe upon them, that they who commit these iniquities shall surely die." Id. at 2. The usurer was put in the same category with extortioners, Sabbath-breakers, those who vex the fatherless and widows, dishonor parents and accept bribes (Ezekiel 22). Id. at 17. The usurer was also classed with the liar, the unrighteous, the backbiter, the slanderer and perjurer, and denied the right to inherit the New Jerusalem (Psalm 15). Id. The usurer is further classed with the meanest and lowest of men and the vilest of criminals (Ezekiel 18). Id.

Before the Babylonian captivity, Ezekiel denounced the practice of usury as a great evil and mentioned the practice of oppressing strangers as part of the great wickedness. Id. at 9. Interest repayments on loans, even to resident strangers was forbidden in the year of Jubilee (Leviticus 25:35-37) whereas in regular years it was permissible to charge interest to strangers (Deuteronomy 23:19-20). Id. at 3.

Zechariah forbade "the oppression of the stranger, classing it with oppression of the widow, the fatherless and the poor..." Id. at 9. Malachi "enjoins regard for the stranger's rights." Id.

Nehemiah, after the captivity, boldly denounced usury (Nehemiah 5:9-11), instituted a reform and had retribution made for all usurious holdings. Id. Those who can abide in the Tabernacle or dwell in the holy hill include (Psalm 15:1): "He that putteth not out his money to usury." Id. at 9.

Solomon gave us the proverb, "the borrower is servant to the lender." Id. at 15.

The New Testament embraces both Jew and Gentile. Id. at 3.

The New Testament continued the prohibition of usury: "In the fullness of time the Messiah came, and no part of the moral law was abrogated. The prohibition of usury as to the Jew was extended, to include mankind, and the permit as to the stranger was declared inoperative and void. The Jew was taught to sympathize with strangers remembering that they were once strangers in Egypt." Id. at 9-10.

Jesus taught (Luke 6:34-35) "love ye your enemies, and do good and lend, hoping for nothing again." Id. at 10. Usury was the basis for Jesus's calling the money changers thieves: "The commerce of the world is conducted on principles as much at variance with the teachings of the master, as are the practices of a sneak thief or burglar. So the Master taught, as with whip of cords, he indignantly drove its representatives, from the sacred precincts of the Temple, denouncing them as thieves. Every well-informed mind knows that the money changers in the Temple, on that startling occasion, were at the very center of the Jewish Banking system, and of the pitiless and grinding commerce of Palestine." Id. at 19.

In Jesus' parable on the subject of usury (Matthew 25:26-27; Luke 19:22-23) "only the hard, austere man, one whose conscience will not interfere with his reaping where he has not sown, and taking up where he has not laid down, would extract usury, for he makes the lord of the parable tell the servant of it: You say I am a hard and austere man, then why did you not act accordingly, and earn me my usury as my nature demanded?" Id. at 3.

Assuming there is a stranger exception, "where is the authority for the practice of usury on our brethren?" Id. at 3. The taking of interest is "subversive of the principles of a sound state policy, contrary to good morals, and opposed to the teaching of God's Word." Id. at 10. The meaning of "usury" has been changed "to mean exhorbitant interest.

The Apostle Peter publicly told his vision: "And in another lake, full or pitch and blood and more bubbling up, there stood men and women on their knees: and these were usurers and those who had taken interest. . ." Antinicene Fathers, Vol. IX, p. 146. The Apostle Paul, in telling his vision, said: "And I saw another multitude of men and women, and worms consumed them. But I lamented and sighing asked the angel and said, 'Who are these?' And he said to me: These are those who exacted interest ON interest, and trusted in their riches and did not hope in God that He was their helper." Antinicene Fathers, Vol. IX, p. 160.

A long-existing and self-perpetuating tax-immune internationalist-transnationalist group uses fronts with inter-locking corporate and or fraternal group of individuals, whose membership is either secret or semi-secret, with undisclosed ownership shares, has usurped the sovereignty of borrowing national governments (who serve their lenders). It includes largely unrevealed yet reported campaign contributors who also control the media and press, all major political parties, and dictates presidential appointments. It abhors the direct issuance of money by elected officials and through the creation of a system of privately-owned and controlled central banks, holds all of the world's gold and all loan and mortgage paperwork.

Its business is conducted in secret meetings which determine the future of all national economies and the timing of expansion (through loans) or contraction (through no loans). It exercises an exclusive monopoly of the issuance of money created out of thin air and issued solely as debt, does not create money to repay the interest, and lives off perpetual national debts that consume future income and under international law cannot be repudiated even by an internal political revolution. At least for others, it tends to be pro-bureaucracy, pro-abortion/population control, pro-government education, anti-family, anti-nationalist, anti-inheritance, anti-private property and anti-Jesus Christ. This group can demand special privileges and even military force to collect "national" debts.

It plans to soon accomplish global disarmament (of both civilians and nations) and have a monopoly on force (including nuclear weapons). It has the privilege of a guaranteed untaxable income enforced by liens on all public and personal property and collected by the coercive force of the taxing structure of the various governments. The basis for its continued existence is continued usury and unforgiving collection of all debts resulting from committing the highest crime of usury.

'The Lie,' Usury, and Spiritual Discernment

[niranjan]

 

not a war, really, but a fiasco where the jews were destroyed by those of hindu-type leanings (ie aryan, mysticism with hindu type roots, kali worship, etc.). Also, the indian govt did not disavow the nazis and only opposed because of british rule, but really sided with the enemy of their enemy.

 

just a thought. mahak

 

 

 

Nothing of the sort. Nazis cannot be termed as Hindus in any manner. They never adhered in any way to the hindu teachings of non-violence and righteousness and peace. All they did was to borrow the Swastika and conveniently made it a perverted and hated symbol.

 

Also during World War 2, it is a fact that Gandhi gave his complete backing and support to the British government and the Allied cause for the defeat of the Nazis.

This is a historic fact.

[Guest guest]

 

Nothing of the sort. Nazis cannot be termed as Hindus in any manner. They never adhered in any way to the hindu teachings of non-violence and righteousness and peace. All they did was to borrow the Swastika and conveniently made it a perverted and hated symbol.

 

Also during World War 2, it is a fact that Gandhi gave his complete backing and support to the British government and the Allied cause for the defeat of the Nazis.

This is a historic fact.

 

 

Since the Rotschild's East India Company project of delivering an 'independent India' to the Soviet sphere of influence required top priority, the East India Company operative Helena Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society in India. The purpose was two-fold. First, Blavatsky would dig up the Swastika and Aryan theory for the Nazis who were created to attack Russia, which would result in the entire Eastern Europe and Germany being transferred to Communists. At least this was the plan.

Secondly, the Theosophical Society would coordinate the Indian Independence movement through the Indian National Congress. Even back then, rumours began circulating about Blavatsky and the "Russians". A key theosophist activist was Mrs. Annie Besant who despite acting against the British, managed to mysteriously escape being punished by them. If one analyses the Indian independence movement, we notice the British building a crescendo of antagonizing the Indian National Congress and then caving in to their demands, whereas transfer of power to the INC was predetermined. Realising that Indian National Congress leaders were phoney in every respect, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, a British educated lawyer managed to get a mandate for an all Muslim Pakistan without shedding a drop of blood or going to jail.

The last Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten is considered to be associated with the Rothschilds. He realised the threat Pakistan would pose to the about to be created Soviet proxy India. He assured that independent India got more than its share of landmass, including islands in the Indian Ocean, many border districts initially marked for Pakistan (which resulted in the Muslims being massacred), 95% Muslim Kashmir which should have gone to Pakistan, The Muslim princely states of Junagadh and Hyderabad, the latter of whom was expecting independent status for its traitorous role in 1857 and North-Eastern territories consisting of Orientals!

The time India was liberated coincides with a little known private ceremony known as "Hour of the British Empire" which is celebrated in London as the day when the Rotschilds took control over India's monetary system/money printing press. Further, the Rothschild owned British Petroleum was granted unlimited rights to all offshore Indian oil, which is still valid till this day. There is reason to believe that the internationalists were behind the death/disappearance of Indian freedom fighter Subhash Chandra Bose who would become a popular rival to Theosophist groomed Nehru after independence. Unlike Nehru, Bose was on the frontlines using Indian POW's of the British army captured by the Japanese to fight back against the British. His death remains a mystery and it was obviously conducted to ensure Nehru had all control over India.

[niranjan]

 

Since the Rotschild's East India Company project of delivering an 'independent India' to the Soviet sphere of influence required top priority, the East India Company operative Helena Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society in India. The purpose was two-fold. First, Blavatsky would dig up the Swastika and Aryan theory for the Nazis who were created to attack Russia, which would result in the entire Eastern Europe and Germany being transferred to Communists. At least this was the plan.

 

Secondly, the Theosophical Society would coordinate the Indian Independence movement through the Indian National Congress. Even back then, rumours began circulating about Blavatsky and the "Russians". A key theosophist activist was Mrs. Annie Besant who despite acting against the British, managed to mysteriously escape being punished by them. If one analyses the Indian independence movement, we notice the British building a crescendo of antagonizing the Indian National Congress and then caving in to their demands, whereas transfer of power to the INC was predetermined. Realising that Indian National Congress leaders were phoney in every respect, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, a British educated lawyer managed to get a mandate for an all Muslim Pakistan without shedding a drop of blood or going to jail.

 

The last Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten is considered to be associated with the Rothschilds. He realised the threat Pakistan would pose to the about to be created Soviet proxy India. He assured that independent India got more than its share of landmass, including islands in the Indian Ocean, many border districts initially marked for Pakistan (which resulted in the Muslims being massacred), 95% Muslim Kashmir which should have gone to Pakistan, The Muslim princely states of Junagadh and Hyderabad, the latter of whom was expecting independent status for its traitorous role in 1857 and North-Eastern territories consisting of Orientals!

 

The time India was liberated coincides with a little known private ceremony known as "Hour of the British Empire" which is celebrated in London as the day when the Rotschilds took control over India's monetary system/money printing press. Further, the Rothschild owned British Petroleum was granted unlimited rights to all offshore Indian oil, which is still valid till this day. There is reason to believe that the internationalists were behind the death/disappearance of Indian freedom fighter Subhash Chandra Bose who would become a popular rival to Theosophist groomed Nehru after independence. Unlike Nehru, Bose was on the frontlines using Indian POW's of the British army captured by the Japanese to fight back against the British. His death remains a mystery and it was obviously conducted to ensure Nehru had all control over India.

 

 

 

Well, this is the first time in my life I have ever read such stuff, and I think I am considerably well-read.

 

Nehru , a heir of the Theosophical movement!!!!!

 

The man was a staunch atheist , and was not at all interested in Hinduism.

 

***Realising that Indian National Congress leaders were phoney in every respect, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, a British educated lawyer managed to get a mandate for an all Muslim Pakistan without shedding a drop of blood or going to jail. ***

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to have forgotten Direct Action Day proclaimed by Jinnah , for the creation of Pakistan, which led to Muslims going berserk and creating the Calcutta riots which led to the deaths of thousands of people.

 

 

 

<<<<<....e last Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten is considered to be associated with the Rothschilds. He realised the threat Pakistan would pose to the about to be created Soviet proxy India. He assured that independent India got more than its share of landmass, including islands in the Indian Ocean, many border districts initially marked for Pakistan (which resulted in the Muslims being massacred), 95% Muslim Kashmir which should have gone to Pakistan, The Muslim princely states of Junagadh and Hyderabad, the latter of whom was expecting independent status for its traitorous role in 1857 and North-Eastern territories consisting of Orientals>>>>>>>>>>

 

 

Again, I wonder the source of all this information. Just curious........

As I have said before , never ever heard about it.

 

 

As for Kashmir going to India, it is because the Hindu ruler of Kashmir opted for India. And all of Kashmir is not in India's hands too.,,

The Pathan raiders captured a major portion of Kashmir in a quick raid of slaughter and rapine, until they were stopped by the Indian armed forces.

 

 

 

You speak of the Muslims being massacred. I have never heard of this. Why didn't you mention the thousands of Hindus and Sikhs who were massacred by Muslim mobs during the partition riots?

'

[Guest guest]

 

 

 

 

Just curious........

 

 

 

May be you should be rather curious within your limit.....

ISKCON's leaders are supposed to expose how kali-yuga is enslaving humanity, but suddenly cannot pronounce, international bankers - central banking cartel which owns the mass media - and are thus helping them take us all down.

Of course, the farce of Indian independence will never be known to the casual observer, who is subjected to whitewash such as the ISKCON approved BBC movie, "Gandhi" and Larry Collin's, "Freedom at Midnight". As for Indians, despite their population of around 1 billion, they seem to be too blue-eyed to ever figure out. In India, greeting the powerful of the world with folded hands rather represents a 1000 year old tradition.

 

It is interesting to note that the Indian government crushed the real peasant classes who became genuine Communists without the Communist International batting an eye; and Soviet aid to India was never hindered.

 

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the British Bankers switched horses; abandoning the Congress party for the Hindu fascist Bharatiya janata Party (BJP). Though never in control of this party, this was the closest the British could get to exercising influence. The UN and world media would turn a blind eye to the burning alive of 5000+ Muslim civilians by so called Hindus. Israel would become intimately involved with India, to the extent of Israeli fighter planes being detected in the process of launching pre-emptive strikes on Pakistani nuclear reactors after India conducted its recent nuclear tests. The coming to light of this event enraged the Chinese allies of Pakistan to such an extent that they gifted Pakistan a complete fleet of fighter planes.

 

The recent resurgence of the Congress has upset British Bankers plans. The creation of a one world government under the UN will require not just horrendous wars in the Middle East but the rest of the world as well. In South east Asia, we may see a war with Pakistan, North Korea and China against India, Taiwan and south Korea. If it happens to be a nuclear war, the carnage will help pave way for a UN one world government. For that purpose, the British are working to get the recently dethroned Hindu BJP party back on its feet.

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

There isn't going to be any one world government nor one world religion neither by one competing with another for domination nor from a melting of everything into one - but - there shall be one day - an international cooperation and respect that could look like a one world government just due to harmony.

[niranjan]

 

May be you should be rather curious within your limit.....

 

 

Well, I think I have a right to be curious, especially about the source of all this information. And I am sure it is not only me , but everyone else over here. Otherwise we would be compelled to term all that you have said as sheer nonsense and idiocy.

[niranjan]

 

May be you should be rather curious within your limit.....

ISKCON's leaders are supposed to expose how kali-yuga is enslaving humanity, but suddenly cannot pronounce, international bankers - central banking cartel which owns the mass media - and are thus helping them take us all down.

Of course, the farce of Indian independence will never be known to the casual observer, who is subjected to whitewash such as the ISKCON approved BBC movie, "Gandhi" and Larry Collin's, "Freedom at Midnight". As for Indians, despite their population of around 1 billion, they seem to be too blue-eyed to ever figure out. In India, greeting the powerful of the world with folded hands rather represents a 1000 year old tradition.

 

It is interesting to note that the Indian government crushed the real peasant classes who became genuine Communists without the Communist International batting an eye; and Soviet aid to India was never hindered.

 

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the British Bankers switched horses; abandoning the Congress party for the Hindu fascist Bharatiya janata Party (BJP). Though never in control of this party, this was the closest the British could get to exercising influence. The UN and world media would turn a blind eye to the burning alive of 5000+ Muslim civilians by so called Hindus. Israel would become intimately involved with India, to the extent of Israeli fighter planes being detected in the process of launching pre-emptive strikes on Pakistani nuclear reactors after India conducted its recent nuclear tests. The coming to light of this event enraged the Chinese allies of Pakistan to such an extent that they gifted Pakistan a complete fleet of fighter planes.

 

The recent resurgence of the Congress has upset British Bankers plans. The creation of a one world government under the UN will require not just horrendous wars in the Middle East but the rest of the world as well. In South east Asia, we may see a war with Pakistan, North Korea and China against India, Taiwan and south Korea. If it happens to be a nuclear war, the carnage will help pave way for a UN one world government. For that purpose, the British are working to get the recently dethroned Hindu BJP party back on its feet.

 

 

After reading this crazy stuff too , I don't know about the other guys, but I have already decided to label this as utmost nonsense and hyperbole. I have read a lot of crazy stuff in posts by other people , but this beats them all.

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

After reading this crazy stuff too , I don't know about the other guys, but I have already decided to label this as utmost nonsense and hyperbole. I have read a lot of crazy stuff in posts by other people , but this beats them all.

 

Dito - i wonder if the writer can present sources? It's bunk thus i don't have to wonder why they didn't.

[Guest guest]

 

After reading this crazy stuff too , I don't know about the other guys, but I have already decided to label this as utmost nonsense and hyperbole. I have read a lot of crazy stuff in posts by other people , but this beats them all.

 

If India would be economically an Israeli colony -this would explain a lot...

 

Israel the 51st state

 

By Bradley Burston

 

 

There was a time when Israelis would routinely refer to this place as the 51st State. Only half in jest.

 

It was a long time ago, when Israelis still spoke of America with the same wistful reverence they reserved for talking about heaven, and for many of the same reasons.

 

America was more concept than destination then, a fictional place free of the realities of Israeli daily life. No death, no taxes, no terrorism, no call-ups orders for military reserve duty to occupy Arabs and face down their suicide bombers.

 

Fine free public schools. Safe streets. Freedom from bureaucracy, freedom from intrusion, freedom from suspicion as a person of Mediterranean aspect.

 

 

Interesting. Now that Israel is, when you get down to it, not only the 51st State but the capital of America, it is we Americans who have the death, taxes, terrorism, call-up orders for military reserve duty to occupy Arabs and face down suicide bombers, rotten public schools, unsafe streets, lots of bureaucracy, the Patriot Act, and no freedom from suspiciion as a person of Mediterranean aspect.

 

 

This was the time, the decade or so following the Yom Kippur War, in which Ben-Gurion Airport, kept enlarging its Departures area, and decreasing the space allotted to Arrivals. A bad sign.

 

Israelis no longer joke about being 51st state. These days, the concept is seldom bandied about at all. Perhaps, having gotten to know the millennial America better, Israelis no longer fantasize about it coming true. Or because, without their realizing it, in some ways it actually has come true.

 

Israel's relatively new legions of homeless people might concur. So might the stockbrokers driving by them in Jaguars. Not to slight the Playstation addicts, Internet addicts, teen alcoholics, organized crime families, road rage shooters, McJob holders and others who might well not notice them.

 

Certainly anti-Semites would concur. In partucular, the conspiracy theorists who've decided that Neo-cons Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and company invaded Iraq for the direct benefit - if not at the behest - of the state of Israel.

 

Paranoia aside, for the moment, what if it were true? What if Israel were, in fact, the 51st state?

 

Would it vote W. or Democrat?

 

In the question framed by the American obsession of the decade, would the Great State of Israel be red or blue?

 

Well, let's see. What do we know about the new state?

 

We know that it's in the Sun Belt.

 

According to the 2004 election, all Sun Belt states with the exception of California were Red States, voting solidly Republican, that is, for George W. Bush.

 

Of course, California is an enormous exception, with a total population of nearly 36 million people, or one out of every eight Americans.

 

We know that the voters of the 51st State are fickle.

 

Substitute, for the sake of argument, the Republican Party for the Likud and the Democrats for Labor. Then note that Israelis went Red (Republican) in 1988, Blue in '92, Red in '96, Blue in '99, and Red in '01.

 

We know that it has a sizable Jewish vote.

 

Of the states with relatively large Jewish populations, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Connecticut, Illinois, Maryland and Florida all but one - Florida - voted Blue, for Democrat John Kerry

In 2004.

 

Bush is believed to have received about 25 percent of the total Jewish vote in 2004. The vote, while still overwhelmingly Democratic, represented a large percentage rise over Bush's showing in 2000 (19 percent), Bob Dole's in 1996 (16) and Bush Senior in 1992 (11).

 

We know that the Jewish Vote would never be the same.

 

If Israel joined the Union, it would slightly more than double the Jewish vote of all the other 50 states combined, as the number of Jews in Israel has passed that of the entire U.S. Jewish community.

 

We know that the new state's votes could be crucial.

 

How crucial? Very. Israel's population of around 7,000,000 would give it about 10 representatives in the House, which, along with the two senators allocated every state, would give it 12 electoral votes. In a close election, 12 votes could easily spell the White House.

 

We know that Bush evokes strong opinions in Israel.

 

While Bush has been widely hailed as the most pro-Israel American president ever, opponents of the disengagement would rightly see him as a strong supporter of withdrawal, even if he was also the first president to endorse a future Israeli hold over settlement blocs in the West Bank.

 

If opinion polls are a measure, Bush could be expected to take 60 percent or more of the Israeli vote, especially because the opponents of disengagement would likely find the Democratic candidate even more unsympathetic to their cause.

 

We strongly suspect Israel would send Netanyahu to the Senate

 

We know that Benjamin Netanyahu was born to be a U.S. senator from New Jersey. Failing that, Israel could send him instead.

 

Readers: Your turn to sit in the smoke-filled room:

 

Is Israel a Red State or a Blue State?

 

Who should be Israel's U.S. senators? Who should be Governor?

 

Who should represent which districts in Congress?

 

What would happen to the Palestinians?

 

What would happen to Jerusalem?

[niranjan]

 

If India would be economically an Israeli colony -this would explain a lot...

 

 

 

Israel has recently become the second largest supplier of miltary hardware to India after Russia. This is the only relationship that Israel shares with India and this should not be interpreted as Israels economic domination of India.

 

Israel itself is just a strong economy , but not in the top or a world class economic power , as Japan or Germany.

 

I don't think Israel, with its tiny size, and a population which is less than 20 million, is in any position to economically colonize India, which itself has a strong economy that is growing at 8% per annum, and is considered as the next Asian tiger and rival to China . Already India has pipped Japan, as the home to the most number of billionaires in Asia, and in this regard , she is second only to the U.S. in the world.

[niranjan]

India also has a 300 million strong middle class which in itself is 20 times that of the entire Israeli population. So please shed your paranoia about India being a economic colony of Israel.

 

Also please get rid of your Israeli -Jewish phobia, considering the fact that as a people, they have suffered very much because of it.

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

 

India also has a 300 million strong middle class which in itself is 20 times that of the entire Israeli population. So please shed your paranoia about India being a economic colony of Israel.

 

Also please get rid of your Israeli -Jewish phobia, considering the fact that as a people, they have suffered very much because of it.

 

Very good points!