spiritual body

kailasa · August 30, 2002

The spiritual body is shown, when the person reaches clearing, while it does not occur, in conformity with sastra and sadhu, everything, that there is in this case, it to a greater or lesser extent financially. Actually it is not understandable, how the person is going to establish the relation, by and large simply formally having learned(found out) about them.

True guru never before to time will tell to the schoolboy about his relations with the God, as in it there is no sense. If the person reaches a spiritual level, following the instructions of the true spiritual teacher, and to speak it about it not necessarily in what that sense. Until, while the person will find mature understanding, she will pass and will understand much enough. Not that she will be formal to know what that of a category, the real spiritual rise and means that the person lives in these categories.

How who can know that of the God not knowing demigods for example? Not knowing demigods, material nature, various expansion of the God, Vaikuntha, various types of the relations with the God, the person at once establishes the relation with Krisna? Having heard three lectures about a material nature and demigods or if especially in general nothing listening - whether " the time brother and with the God of the relation that has come to us to establish ", whether so is correct? Even if who will receive that kripa, all the same all will occur consistently by him(it).

It is possible to see those who reaches clearing, that they really very much skilled in all. Not understanding set of categories, jumping bhava\prema the soul, probably by simple knowledge ascends up to a level of the relations with the God?

Even it is possible to not speak about that fact, that Sukadeva Gosvami, told so much things Maharaja Pariksit probably simply all for nothing losing precious time. It was necessary at once to initiate king in gopi bhava, as the death as is spoken I moved to reign absolutely quickly. Probably I guess, and Sukadeva Gosvami not the maximum type guru, and Maharaja Pariksit, which else in womb? of the mother was seen the Supreme Person of the God, too probably not of that category by(with) the schoolboy.

The business at all in the fact of time and business at all in true both what is connection and qualities between demigods and various expansion, and all business in spiritual taste or understanding, which stands behind each word SB, instead of it is simple in formal knowledge.

If the person is at a level of the direct relations with the God, she(it) knows all. If who that even is simply connected with demigods, such Persons as Lord Brahma as know much. It not so is cheap, to develop consciousness Krisna. It is possible to reach brahman or neutral relations and to meditate on those or other games, the meditation, this or that darsan or consciousness Krisna is possible by and large to receive this or that kripa, but it by him(it) different things -.

If the person reaches clearing, she learns(finds out) swarupa, because for it(her) it will be NATURAL continuation all of its(her) spiritual experience. But before it the person realizes that anticipates this experience, parampara shows it on examples Goswami and set others. Srila Prabhupada writes that the games Prithu Maharaja are not distinct from race lila, but hardly such statements that will change that, as person jumping of "true" race. And what can be taste in games Prithu Maharaja, it is not understandable? Speaks them Prabhupada that games three Visnu by nothing worse, and EVEN And such IS BETTER for the caused souls. (They are released(exempted)? certainly, doctor Vatson)

Business at all in mathurya to race, all business that our knowledge of the special type - " all we know, it is necessary to reach last top - relation with Krisna to establish ". If I read Prabhupada (or similar books), one word or the offer opens for me very much if not to tell all. To business you see what to listen from mouth? pure devotee. Only from mouth pure devotee(s) all is possible and to understand or to reach. For me certainly books Prabhupada are all. Prabhupada learns(teaches) us how to work in different moods, actually it by him(it) probably and is meant? How the person can for two minutes realize set of aspects? Or all this also is not supposed, enough to be read, and further simply to contact Krisna? It is simply necessary to know what to read for achievement siddha pranali.

Lord Brahma, Siva, various expansion, various forms of the God, it not so is important. Certainly, it is possible to find the instructions to leave all forms and to be betraid Krisna and so to reach maximum perfection. Probably in what my mistake, I that you see it also have not made probably. And whether it in general is necessary, to work in various moods? Whether is it a sin? And as still there is a question how to realize categories, not were in them? In what that categories the person was not, but at once reaches Krisna? Very doubtfully all this. As it is possible to realize that there is mathurya a race for example, if the person practically nothing knows, having modestly limited a certain vague performance about the material world, demigods and various expansion of the God. Were in such situation she can establish the relation with the God?

We admit(allow) who that is at a level of the relations with Krisna, how he preaches in this case? He simply will inhale these relations in all or he will be consecutive to teach, what the person could be developed up to a level of the real relations, how worked Sukadeva Gosvami or Gosvamis? Understandably that such maha bhagavata as Lord Caitanya can initiate or lift the person up to a level of love to the God in one instant, nevertheless Lord Caitanya teaches all through Gosvamis, as the true standard is those. By him even having received direct darsan, all the same person develops gradually, even if she(it) already is released(exempted) as a matter of fact. All the same there is a spiritual standard, which is, that spiritual taste or the spiritual life has set of aspects, that at all does not complicate a situation, for those who searches for devoted service, instead of the clearing is simple.

Lord Caitanya preached everywhere, but in what that time after His(its) leaving(care), all this was transformed in babaji - " pure love ". Than they are engaged, only in one - establishment of the relations with the God and achievement siddha deha. Only with arrival SBT the sermon again began to take the form, as in times the Lord Caitanya. Babaji so of steel are great in the pure love, that actually reject authorities parampara.

Can be there is a set doctrines about pranali - varana dasa, smarana das and at whom that probably is turned a head from all these terms, but SP writes that sastra, such as BRS, are written Rupa Goswami for neophits. It seems that sense that if the person has reached the certain level, the certain spiritual principles are pertinent in this case. In the other case in it there is NO SENSE and it is simply next sahji-babaji. But there is also one more interesting moment, SP writes that those who reaches clearing, AUTOMATICALLY realize the relations. In the other case have told the persons her pranali (2 % of probability that it will be in general by true) and what she will do further, to think " I gopi "? How the person will work interestingly and what sense in similar knowledge? SP already initiated all in something greater, than simply to learn(find out) " I gopi ".

Understandably that not understanding Krisna, any separation is not possible. Therefore there is a set of spiritual principles KC, but who simply restores that the relations, as is too concerned with what that with personal motives, that perfectly departs on the second plan by him(it), if the person really develops spiritually. In this sense some anartha helps, as it simply deepens spiritual life. Actually anyone, who declares about "perfection" can be immediately left, under the statement SP....

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"When all misgivings and personal deficiencies are removed, there is a standard faith in transcendental matter, and the taste for it increases in greater proportion. This stage leads to attraction, and after this there is bhдva, or the prior stage of unalloyed love for God. All the above different stages are but different stages of development of transcendental love. Being so surcharged with transcendental love, there comes a strong feeling of separation which leads to eight different kinds of ecstasies.

Unalloyed devotional service of the Lord progresses in different stages. Practice of devotional service in the material field is of eighty-one different qualities, and above such activities is the transcendental practice of devotional service, which is one and is called sдdhana-bhakti. When unalloyed practice of sдdhana-bhakti is matured into transcendental love for the Lord, the transcendental loving service of the Lord begins gradually developing into nine progressive stages of loving service under the headings of attachment, love, affection, feelings, affinity, adherence, following, ecstasy, and intense feelings of separation.

The attachment of an inactive devotee develops up to the stage of transcendental love of God. Attachment of an active servitor develops up to the stage of adherence, and that for a friendly devotee develops up to the stage of following, and the same is also the case for the paternal devotees. Devotees in conjugal love develop ecstasy up to the stage of intense feelings of separation. These are some of the features of unalloyed devotional service of the Lord.

" In the condition of material tribulation, no one wants the pangs of separation. But in the transcendental form, the very same separation, being absolute in its nature, strengthens the ties of love and enhances the desire of the lover and beloved to meet. The period of separation, evaluated transcendentally, is more relishable than the actual meeting, which lacks the feelings of increasing anticipation because the lover and beloved are both present."

This question may be raised. But actually there are different phases of loving affairs, and the separation is also one of them. The separation, feeling of separation, is one of them. We have got experience in our present life that intense love... Still there is feeling of separation. All these things are there in the spiritual world. Only perverted reflection of those spiritual feelings are manifested here in this material world. Therefore it is called perverted reflection. But everything is there, but they are not material. We should always understand that. Kеслa is perfect, Rдdhдrдлй is perfect, and They are always constantly accompanied. Then why there is separation? And still, there is separation....

A person who is advanced in Kеслa consciousness always feels separation from Kеслa because such a feeling of separation excels the feeling of meeting Kеслa. "

And so on, there are a lot of links. Lord Caitanya the Supreme Person of the God, instead of is simple avatara.

It is possible not develop separation, the essence is simple that if who that speaks about maximum, the separation and is maximum. Therefore if to approach from a material position certainly meeting is higher in this case, to have an apple that better, than to not have an apple? The intensive feelings of separation result in meeting with Krisna, but it occurs in Krisna lila, it "does not occur" in connection with Lord Caitanya. But to what all these subtleties.

"Those under the shelter of the lotus feet of Зrй Caitanya Mahдprabhu can understand that His mode of worship of the Supreme Lord Kеслa in separation is the real worship of the Lord. When the feelings of separation become very intense, one attains the stage of meeting Зrй Kеслa.

So-called devotees like the sahajiyдs cheaply imagine they are meeting Kеслa in Vеndдvana. Such thinking may be useful, but actually meeting Kеслa is possible through the attitude of separation taught by Зrй Caitanya Mahдprabhu.

Those under the shelter of the lotus feet of Зrй Caitanya Mahдprabhu can understand that His mode of worship of the Supreme Lord Kеслa in separation is the real worship of the Lord.

What the Upaniсads describe as the impersonal Brahman is but the effulgence of His body, and the Lord known as the Supersoul is but His localized plenary portion. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kеслa Himself, full with six opulences. He is the Absolute Truth, and no other truth is greater than or equal to Him.

..Lord Caitanya is also the master of all wealth, strength, fame, beauty, knowledge and renunciation because He is Зrй Kеслa Himself. "

The devotees of the Lord are always very eager to see the Supreme Lord face to face, but they do not demand that the Lord come before them, for a pure devotee considers such a demand to be contrary to devotional service. Зrй Caitanya Mahдprabhu teaches this lesson in His Зikсдсцaka. Adarзanдn marma-hatда karotu vд. The devotee is always eager to see the Lord face to face, but if he is brokenhearted because he cannot see the Lord, even life after life, he will never command the Lord to appear. This is a sign of pure devotion.

Зrй Caitanya Mahдprabhu has taught everyone that one should not be overly anxious to see the Lord, but should rather feel separation from Him in ecstasy. It is actually better to feel separation from Him than to desire to see Him face to face. "

By him(it) to understanding sastra Goswamis is brought in both texts and contexts and successfully live whole parampara race bhasa, it is undoubtedly all worship the God, but focused on personal taste and probably on the same nature understanding. Probably that all this in due course will accept an original kind, but now it is very doubtful.

SP has finished work parampara. Everything, this last word - vedanta. A final result. Further everyone will follow His books, why, because it is maximum taste or conducts to maximum understanding and as all categories show without a various sort of gamble, materialism, mayavada and caravans rasabhasas.

Varnasrama will be established or will be developed natural by an image, but after that, everyone will forget about it(her), because this movement sankirtana will begin to be distributed after that everywhere. For this purpose also came SBT, SBST and Bhaktivedanta Swami, they did not come to establish the relation for 2-3 that is true of the believers and not for eternal searches of true race, true guru, all by him(it) will be much wery good. The books Prabhupada conduct on top prema bhakti and as very much do not promote deviations(rejections) of a various grade. The taste of the books SP is the direct relations from the Supreme Person of the God and as all categories were already established up to SP, therefore SP has given simply direct perception(recognition) of the spiritual validity. The sense not that is this or that true sastra (Goswami, SBT...), and sense in correct understanding sastra. If the person is not at a spiritual level really, for example, how she(it) will understand sastra? It will be simple maya. Therefore outside of the comments Prabhupada they can very long study Goswami.

SP did not write for neophits, which be not capable to understand as soul falls in the material world ( Very difficult question ), His books for enough mature devotee, it not the book for neophits, it is the books not for West and not for East, not for babaji with their obviously become overripe race. Therefore Prabhupada also has told that over It(him) nobody will jump, as Prabhupada all and adjusts. It is pleasant to them or it is not pleasant.

Gopi, as Goswami, simply continuously preached, built temples ... Therefore if to work in the same way, all and will be shown really. Even if who that will reach the Lord Siva, he will be happy from the point of view KC. Even if who will reach the Lord Brahma, "only" /ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif, he will decide(solve) all spiritual problems what to speak that if who that will reach Krisna. But who that would reach the God like, but why that they nothing know that is much lower than this situation, whether there is a sense in general to this to listen? All adjustable worship Krisna, this worship Lord Narayana, and everything, that is spontaneous, and is spontaneous, it in what that sense is not forced, though sadhana assumes also relation as.

If the person works from the situation that it has value, why, because it is steady. Because the person develops in this case without a various sort of skews. Because were on the place, person really all realizes, instead of will be in categories gyana and dhyana. Were on the place, the person does not envy anybody and is happy, as it is her natural? situation, let from time to time and mixed. Devotee who can work in many moods and if that brahman, it has the large value, but if who understands that set of categories, it by him is even higher. If who that brahman, his sermon is invaluable, as brahman sees true, but if who that is at a level of the various relations, it is even better, as it fills with spiritual taste or perception(recognition). And after the greatness of the God is realized in what that of a degree, the person can rise above in conformity with Narottama dasa Thakur. And as all of us are caused by and large, the sermon of greatness of the God is real is more urgent. And consequently greatness of the God as well as the philosophy Madhvacaria is widely submitted, as without comprehension of greatness of the God the person simply is in paradise for the fools.

The god has the relation with all simultaneously, in all races, and devotee uttama adhikari is exact as preaches, as it in the books SP. This situation is valid at a level brahman, instead of what that of material emotions and " on drops of the assembled knowledge ". By him following for SP (or His schoolboys, that is too by him it is not necessary to think that in it there is a difference) all and can be shown.

Sastra SP are not distinct from поучений SBST or anyone another acariya parampara, in it as the situation of the true spiritual teacher consists. Simply following for SP, all purposes will be achieved undoubtedly. If the schoolboy follows the spiritual teacher, the connection thus is present, therefore each schoolboy SP it guru in that degree, in which the person follows Him. There is no sense to listen of a various sort materialists, which simply force down with sense devotee. The schoolboys SP and followers others guru, here in west, are much more successful even than the inhabitants dhama.

Essence that this movement will gear up on a background breaking of a civilization. This movement sankirtana, instead of movement of a various sort babadji. SP writes that there is no necessity in lonely sadhu and simply that all people including various religions can will unit in movement sankirtana. SP has opened a door in the spiritual world by all and as SP will lift all on the top of the spiritual world. After everyone will receive clearing and who will calm down there is who, by him(it) the large opportunity will appear still to practise directly devoted service. Actually what occured? Still in general anything in earnest here did not occur, all only begins. Varnasrama also is necessary in these purposes, it is more in it(her) there is no necessity, Varnasrama simply will adjust all materialists, which very purposefully prevents this movement the Lord Caitanya, why all of them and against varnasrama , though SBST as spoke about its(her) necessity. Varnasrama as will give this general real pulse goodnes?, which up to the level prema of movement will develop. If who can give that it(him) without varnasrama, it is very good, though it and is very doubtful. At any case varnasrama will be present, as it is eternal system and external form. Probably later on what that time and she(it) will disappear as superfluous. It is possible to not do(make) her(it) is artificial, enough by him(it) simply to preach and to have communities, as the communities everyone will be more practical and is more practical and eventually in what that time everyone will live on ground, peacefully flinging open its(her) old bicycles.

Among a various sort anartha, anartha, connected with the wrong concepts and understanding can have sufficient effect. Somewhat it even is more dangerous, than idle time materialism. Materialism also is materialism, it(he) is obvious, but when doctrine deformed, it can have long-term enough effect. Somewhat everyone will receive clearing, who that that is done(made) for this purpose, by(with) who earlier, who later. As in questions of spiritual life how many people, are so much opinions, therefore SP has split all this site and in process of our development, it is all it becomes obvious. How to establish the direct relations with the God it more less to present even it is possible, but how to establish the relation in maximum moods it by him(it) is not discussed at all, as actually there are no categories, which could be discussed in this occasion. Therefore also is spoken, that any sadhana\gyana\dhyana it is not reached, but only by following in the steps pure devotee. But as pure devotee are much above what that "rasika" of moods, the following on their stops will bring much more, than simply certain premature attempts to establish the relation with the God. This movement sankirtana the Lord Sri Caitanya simply will ship all in mood of eternal fidelity and campaigns devotee with transcendent by bulbs any more it is not required. As when the Sun ascends, bulbs in this case are not necessary.