What are the fruits of nama aparadha

[anadi]

"Veda tells us that if anyone is chanting nama-aparadha, the result is that he

may become wealthy. Why?

 

So that his bhakti will be covered by wealth.

 

He may drink, he may eat meat, he may take drugs, and he may engage in so many

other sins -- as we saw in the case of Nalakuvera and Manigriva. If there is

wealth, it is very hard to do bhajana. Ambarisa Maharaja and others like him

can do so, but we cannot do so if we are wealthy. Even a sannyasi may fall

down by wealth, and this has also been explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam.

Wealth takes us very far away from Krsna.

Nityartidena vittena

durlabhenatma-mrtyuna (Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.3.19). What is the meaning?

 

[Madhava Maharaja]:

["Wealth is a perpetual source of distress, it is most difficult to acquire, and it is virtual death for the soul. What

satisfaction does one actually gain from his wealth? Similarly, how can one

gain ultimate or permanent happiness from one's so-called home, children,

relatives and domestic animals, which are all maintained by one's

hard-earned money?" ](SB 11.3.20)]

 

In earning, in spending .

 

 

It always gives suffering.

 

Srila Bhaktivedanta Madhava Maharaja:

"Those persons cannot do bhajana properly. Gurudeva just gave the example of the sons of Kuvera.

Kuvera is the predominating deity of

wealth. Janma aisvarya sruta sri. If you come from an aristocratic family,

if you have too much opulence, if you are very learned, and if you are very

handsome, you cannot do bhajana properly. If you have wealth, then all bad

qualities are bound to come to you -- if you have not surrendered yourself

to the lotus feet of a bona fide gurudeva and are not in good association.

If you have wealth, then even if you are very ugly and you have many bad

habits, yet you can keep a learned or handsome person as your servant.

 

Nityartidena vittena durlabhenatma-mrtyuna.

 

Wealth causes you to kill your own soul. Therefore, if you have money, if you have wealth, you must be in

good association in order to use it properly. If you are like Ambarisa

Maharaja and Yudhisthira Maharaja, then you can be saved. Otherwise, you

will be entangled by that wealth, and you are bound to misuse it and spoil

your life."

 

A nama-aparadhi can have wealth, a very beautiful

husband, a beautiful wife, very good and beautiful children, gardens, dogs,

and so on. These things have come due to wealth. If you are not very

wealthy, your children will generally not become highly learned and

qualified. Bodily paraphernalia is collected by that wealth, which is like a

death. How, then, can they do anything to help you?

 

If you are doing nama-aparadha and vaisnava-aparadha, but still you are

chanting the name,

what will be the result?

Especially if you are criticizing Vaisnavas, you will have to go to hell.

The holy name cannot bear that anyone criticizes His devotees.

Krsna will make another kind of

hell for you -- a special kind of hell. These present hells are not enough."

 

Spoken by om visnupada paramahamsa astotara-sata Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja

 

[damir2002]

anadi,krisna is in your heart

[damir2002]

please,love him not talk abouth him because nobody knows him

[Guest guest]

Prabhu, I humbly thank you for your advice,

I will try to follow it,

but

I am so fallen and a rascal

and I cannot folow my true nature,

 

 

"the nature

that impels one to follow

the soul's spontaneous attraction

toward the Lord",

 

that means

raga-anuga bhakti as previously defined by

Srila Rupa Goswami is for me only a sweet dream, so I try to make my morning programm,

to make more japa, to talk about Krsna,

which is one of the NINE best forms of bhakti

(sravanam, KIRTANAM, smaranam...)

"bhajanera madhye srestha NAVA vidhia bhakti

krsna prema krsna dite dhare maha shakti

tara madhye sarva sresta nama sankirtana

nir-aparadhe nama laile paya prema dhana"

 

But the best of all, says the above verse

is to chant nama sankirtna.

When, oh, when will that day will come

to chant without offenses as the verse says,

and to get the wealth of prema

by the mercy of gurudeva?

 

 

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says in Jaiva Dharma

"To follow the way of raga (raga-anuga)

in the ksayon-mukha stage

should be ardently sought by the jivas.

 

As long as the jiva is not

in the raga-anuga stage

he remains

SPONTANEOUSLY attached

to mundane objects."

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, Ananta-deva is talking from the begining

of creation incensantly about Krsna.

Yes, but He loves Him.

[sukadeva]

Damir,

 

You are the only one who knows the truth.

 

[Guest guest]

Wealth does not guarantee an ability to do service either even though materially it seems so. But as one needs to make money to fulfill family duties and act as per one's nature, one may make a lot of money and serve. For those who have the nature to work for money, it is good to make money and serve. But money should have a definite Krishna Conscious goal.

[anadi]

Oh, I think

don't talk about Krsna

is not a good advice,

whatever will come there after.

 

A bhakta, that practices vaidhi bhakti

should talk about Krsna according the angas of bhakti:

-sankirtanam (congregational chanting of the Holy Name)

-japa (utterance of the holy name and mantras)

-vijnapti (submissive prayer at the lotus feet of the Lord)

-stava-patha (recitation of songs and hymns in praise of the Lord) and

-vaisnava-sastra-seva (serving vaisnava scriptures).

 

For such a bhakta is not proper to say

Don't talk about Krsna, love Krsna.

 

A sadhaka, that is on the platform of raganunga bhakti

1. One in whose heart

bhava toward Sri Krsna

has already manifested

2. who has become qualified

to perceive the direct manifestation of the Lord

3. but who has not yet obtained complete freedom from all obstacles,

will do the same things because of his spontaneous attraction and love

toward the Lord.

 

Do you think, that the advice

"Don't talk about Krsna, love Krsna"

will make sense for him?

 

A siddha bhakta

1. One who is fully immersed in activities related to Sri Krsna

2. who is completely unacquainted

with impediments (vighna)

or material distress (klesha)

3. and who

incessantly

tastes the bliss of prema

may come down from his platform

in order to distribute the mercy

to the fallen non envious jivas.

 

Do you think, that the advice

Don't talk about Krsna, love Krsna;

will make sense for him?

 

 

Or maybe your advice was

"The more you resort to mundane logic

the more you will subjugate your mind

to material bondage.

The more you strive to initiate

the flow of nama rasa

the more your material sheckles

will become loosened.

 

The truth can be realizend only through the culture of spiritual bliss."

as Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says.

 

 

Oh, I think

don't talk about Krsna

is not a good advice,

whatever will come there after.