Slavery accepted by Vedic culture?

[Guest guest]

My point is that any conclusion of the nIti sAstrAs that is not in line with Vedanta is to considered either as an interpolation or at best a temporary statement.

[karthik_v]

Dear Ram prabhu,

 

 

It is possible that slavery was part of Vedic culture. We see that Pandavas gamble themselves away and become slaves.

 

 

Mahabharat is distinctly post vedic. It had some elements of the vedic culture as well as elements that weren't vedic. But, even there, the Pandavas were deprived of their kingdom and ex-communicated and exiled. They weren't made into slaves, if we use the modern English definition of that word. Agree with your other points. A slave is bought, has no right over his family, is sold at will, doesn't have any negotiating power...

 

 

If the statements of nIti sAstrAs are not in line with the conclusions of VedAntA, these statements have to be rejected.

 

 

Also not to forget that the so-called shastras as Manu Smriti have never been in existence in the physical form for thousands of years and were invented during and after the days of Aurangazeb, in their present form. We know very little of the content of the original smriti itself. It is dangerous to base our arguments and even worse to follow, these later day inventions.

[shvu]

 

Out of curiosity, what changes did Aurangzeb make to the Dharma Shaastras?

 

Thanks

[Guest guest]

The problem is the Vedas themselves are nothing but Islamic propaganda. When Ismael Akbar’s court came to power he collected all the texts from the Hindu libraries and rewrote them to put Muslim propaganda into Hindu scriptures. Then he killed all the Brahmins and personally performed the upanayana to initiate his new Muslim Brahmins (this is where the 6 strings came from. The six strings representing the six Abrahamic prophets in the Shi’ite Islamic tradition). So as you can see the Vedas are simply an interpolation. For concrete proof please refer to Rig Veda 11.5.17; and if that does not convince you try Yajur Veda 8.3.34. Aurangazeb was a saint compared to Ismael Akbar.

[shvu]

 

 

The problem is the Vedas themselves are nothing but Islamic propaganda. When Ismael Akbar’s court came to power he collected all the texts from the Hindu libraries and rewrote them to put Muslim propaganda into Hindu scriptures.

 

 

This is a new one. Where does one find Muslim propoganda in the Vedas?

 

 

Then he killed all the Brahmins and personally performed the upanayana to initiate his new Muslim Brahmins (this is where the 6 strings came from. The six strings representing the six Abrahamic prophets in the Shi’ite Islamic tradition). So as you can see the Vedas are simply an interpolation. For concrete proof please refer to Rig Veda 11.5.17; and if that does not convince you try Yajur Veda 8.3.34. Aurangazeb was a saint compared to Ismael Akbar.

 

 

The Rig-veda Samhita has 10 books. Which is the eleventh book you are referring to? The Krishna Yajur again has only 7 books, while you are referring to an eight book. Can you verify this?

 

If you pulled your info out of one of the many Hindu propoganda sites which carry articles by the likes of Rajaram, Chaturvedi, etc, I suggest you drop that and start looking at proper, real sources for information.

 

Cheers

 

[Guest guest]

We are all slaves to and in the eyes of the Absolute! And most happy for it,when we recognize the design of free will, created by God and choose Divine slavery under His loving care.

But we are not unto one another, rather we are eternally the servant of the servant of the servant x's a million under One Supreme Autocrat. Like it or lump it. The truth is in the spiritual world we have no independance. Everything is dependant on the sweet will of the Lord, but fortunately He is a kind and loving master. Unlike some of the tyrants in this world who try to force their supremacy on other jivas, and cause so much damage and pain with their maladjusted ego like Aurangazeb and others.

[Guest guest]

I don’t get this information from anti-Hindu websites. All of these statements have been thoroughly researched by Professors Charles Richardson (University of Maine) and Simon Novak (University of South Carolina). They even made a program with the National Geographic detailing these findings. And it makes sense too. Why would Aurangazeb only rewrite the lesser texts (puranas, dharma shastras) but leave completely intact the Vedas and Upanisads. This is why Ismael Akbar was a genius. He went after the foundation of Hinduism and has fooled many people. The very fact that you say there are only 10 books in the Rig Veda proves the point. There are at least 3 recensions, and possibly 5 (though Novak disagrees with Richardson on this point) of the Rig Veda. At that time since all the Hindu books were burnt, the Brahmins had to lose their tradition, or accept the books by Ismael Akbar, which they later embraced and held as their own tradition.

[shvu]

 

Since I do not have access to the eleventh book of the RV Samhita, can you please provide the specific verse and also let me know where this recension is available?

 

Saayanna wrote a commentary on the RV during the 14th century AD or perhaps even earlier. Do you know if he commented on the eleventh book?

 

Thanks

 

[Guest guest]

I have been reading about how many Gurus do advocate our being the servant of a servant of a servant since in the Divine World we will be as low as grass, and Prabhupada says we should hope to be a speck of dust at the lotus feet of the acharyas. Yes, the future world is too high for us in our present form.

[Guest guest]

no, slavery as it means to the west is not accepted in the vedic culture.

 

vedic culture had dasas and dasis.

all hare krishnas are dasas and dasis.

 

dasas and dasis were not traded commercially as far as i know. they were however treated like property, but humanely.

 

jai sri krishna!

 

[Raguraman]

 

I don’t get this information from anti-Hindu websites. All of these statements have been thoroughly researched by Professors Charles Richardson (University of Maine) and Simon Novak (University of South Carolina). They even made a program with the National Geographic detailing these findings. And it makes sense too. Why would Aurangazeb only rewrite the lesser texts (puranas, dharma shastras) but leave completely intact the Vedas and Upanisads. This is why Ismael Akbar was a genius. He went after the foundation of Hinduism and has fooled many people. The very fact that you say there are only 10 books in the Rig Veda proves the point. There are at least 3 recensions, and possibly 5 (though Novak disagrees with Richardson on this point) of the Rig Veda. At that time since all the Hindu books were burnt, the Brahmins had to lose their tradition, or accept the books by Ismael Akbar, which they later embraced and held as their own tradition.

 

 

All Vedas were saved by mainly three traditions of South India, namely Advaita, Visitadvaita and dvaita schools of Vedanta. All three schools preserved the bhashyas written by their acharyas and is passed on even today through disciplinic tradition back from 7th century AD starting with acharya Adi Sankara. Do you think all these were also wrong. I have not seen in one school 11th book in Rig Veda or 8th book in Yajur Veda.

 

Whatever recension you are speaking about may be created by the authors alleging Akbar to have created. Unless one knows what their research is it is futility on your part to put some absurd speculations out here.