mahak Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Haribol. I have considered the rtvik position for five years, and am still unconvinced. While I accept that 50% responsibility rests on the hearer of proposals, the other half is the responsibility of the speaker, whose convictions and ability to convince others comes to play. None of the Srila Prabhupada citations from his books or gleaned from what I call polluted (i.e. fragmented, edited, suppressed, etc.) documentation has convinced this VC member that rtvikism is authorized outside the purview of ISKCON and the GBC. July 9 is a clear directive if not a forgery, but the conspiracy of misrepresentation did not release the document for many years following the production. July 9 does not address the possible complete meltdown of the GBC and what a responsible disciple should do in such a case. Srila Prabhupada always directs His disciples to act responsibly. In my case (which may not apply to everyone), He clearly stated that ISKCON "may very well go to hell", but a responsible disciple has the duty to "not follow them there". This indicates that DISCERNMENT is very much built into His teachings, both individually and collectively. Individual discernment is what sets the Vaisnava apart from impersonal dry mayavada philosophies. July 9 is not a call for rebellion, it demands the rank and file of ISKCON to act in accordance with directives from the eleven rtviks appointed, and subsequent documents dictate a process wherein the GBC, through democratic process, removes or adds rtvik initiators. In my opinion, the GBC and ISKCON is acting in accordance with His wishes of July 9 in that the democratic process is continuing, and the gurus have all been authorized by the Governing Body Commissioners. Latter day movements defy the GBC, defy the democratic process that the GBC was directed to continue. The 100 or so "gurus" of ISKCON act with the authority of July 9. When it comes down to a fundamental responsibility of disciple to hear from "authority", rtvik idealism requires acceptance of other sources than Srila Prabhupada. Not only are we required to accept July 9, wills, and other documents that were suppressed for years without anyone's knowledge except a choice few, we are required to accept documents such as "The Final Order" written by Sriman Krsna Kant das, a contemporary disciple. Krsna Kant is given authority over our spiritual lives. The external positioning of this devotee as our peer and contemporary is the same as our external positioning with Srila Prabhupada disciple leaders of other schools (i.e. the honorables Siddhaswarupananda, Tripurari, Paramadvaita, as well as others of much less credential or honor deserved). So, our requirement as disciple of Srila Prabhupada is no different now as it was during His physical appearance. We must scrutinize all who we hear from and put it to the litmus of guru-shastra-sadhu criteria. If TFO is accepted as authoritive, this is fine with me, as long as the "believers" understand that such a writing accepted as bonafide simultaneously elevates the author as bonafide authority, infallible. The fact that quotes by Srila Prabhupada are inserted into a thesis does not magically make such a writing "authoritive". If that be the case, we can package these writings of all vaisnava forums and discussion boards as tickets back to Godhead. Quotes do not make or break any points trying to be made by a writer, the overall result of such a writing is what must pass the guru-shastra-sadhu criteria. If someone speaks above the level of their actual realization, such words are never considered infallible by the sane. However, one who avoids such pretence is an actual link to Parampara regardless of the consensus of others, as was the case of our own Guru Maharaja. He always speaks and writes from an infallible position of realized TRUTH. You see, this is why Srila Prabhupada showed serious displeasure for even the slightest tampering with His publications. Even the typeset, even the placement of the title "Founder Acarya" on the jacket of His books was meticulously planned by one who is not prone to error (and changed by those who thought they knew better.) Speaking of the "Founder Acarya" title, this is sufficient to elevate Srila Prabhupada above all successors. Such a title was created by Srila Prabhupada Himself, and is free from mistakes. He does not demand deification, and "Founder Acarya" is perpetual in itself. Other acaryas ordered by Srila Prabhupada in the future do not detract from such a title, nothing can be added to or deleted from the "founder acarya" position, even inside the purview of the ISKCON authority. Our duties as disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada is to be the object of the sentence, to complete the thought, so to speak. "Founder Acarya" of what? We are, individually and collectively, the what. ISKCON is a branch of the Tree Of Spiritual Life, and such a branch may have many sub-branches, thus indicating health and connection to the Root of Krsnaloka. The sub-branches must philosophically support the connective main branch. This support is TO HIS UNTAMPERED WITH BOOKS. His masterpiece purports and translations are where the pure and real ISKCON is located, and anyone who cares to dive into the nectar of such revealed truth is pleasing, accepted, and fully protected by the Founder Acarya, for he has found us, His mission fully successful without debate or dialog about limitations of such success needing something else. Rtvik Fundamentalism may well be a sub-branch of ISKCON, but dynamic prasadam (Harinam, books, foodstuffs, actual devotee association with the newcomer, etc.) distribution according to time and place is there as well. Change is seemingly authorized by J9 and other rtvik- favored documentation, and this places Srila Prabhupada outside the catagory of strict fundamentalism. The choice is always ours. Someone asks for permission to carry out what they perceive as rtvik orders. Permission granted with well wishes, make your centers wonderful places where prasadam distribution takes place. But documents that place GBC as the governors of the rank and file lives of devotees must not be defied by membership, especially if democratic process installed with GBC is not adhered to. Rtvik societies must operate outside the sanction of ISKCON and the GBC, and must be independent, just as schools led by our peers who have taken diksa disciples of their own. Only the GBC can create a rtvik system that complies with directives that are presented to maintain such a system. Any defiance contraverts the greater directive from Srila Prabhupada that we cooperate effectively to spread this Krsna Consciousness Movement. The order to cooperate is the greatest axiomatic truth that we can possibly have, and tampering with this final order constitutes apostacy in itself. Rebellion is never conducive to cooperative efforts. In closing, I state that my views are offered as independent observer. I have no affiliations with GBC, ISKCON, independent schools of Gaudiya Math or our own advanced godbrothers (or sisters) who are trying to spread this movement in any way possible. I have no affiliation with any reform movement and consider the very term "reform" as a term that means that it (ISKCON) was done improperly to begin with. I have carefully studied the issues at hand and give this report as an unbiased member of this council. Any TRUTH gleaned from my writings are only because of Srila Prabhupada and his bonafide disciples, the flaws are my possession only. As with the defunct IVC (Independent Vaisnava Commission, dealing with the poison issue) which I joined as outside observer as well, I fully believe that such outside observances are a valuable tool in getting anywhere. Counter proposals by opponants and cheerleading by proponants may have their place in such councils, but the observations from those who have no bones to pick, no sides to support, no groups to destroy, must be seen as valuable. My contributions are always as everyone's well-wisher, and I humbly offer my continuing obiesancies to my friends here on this forum. Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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