Jahnava Nitai Das Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Let us bring up and discuss the topic of bondage within advaita. If there is nothing other than the one nondual indivisible Brahman. Where is the question of jivas and illusion (bondage)? What is the root cause of bondage? Who perceives it? How did this perception come about? Why would the completely nondual Brahman who is full of bliss and lacking nothing put itself within bondage (i.e. allow perception of avidya) in the form of jiva? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Here comes the word jugglery folks.You won't see a satisfactory answer, but enjoy the show. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Theist, If you want to enjoy word jugglery, I can help you. Try the thread where the disciples attempted to defend Prabhupada's slander. I am sure, you will not be disappointed. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Be calm shvu.I'm just a rude spectator.I'll just await your answers to Jndasji's question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 It is de ja vu, theist. I have answered all the above questions in the past and some of them, more than once. This time, someone else will have to take up the task. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted October 23, 2002 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 If anyone can find those past answers, please copy them and paste them here. I am having trouble locating one that deals with this particular question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreamgodus Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Quote: If there is nothing other than the one nondual indivisible Brahman. Where is the question of jivas and illusion (bondage)? What is the root cause of bondage? Who perceives it? How did this perception come about? Why would the completely nondual Brahman who is full of bliss and lacking nothing put itself within bondage (i.e. allow perception of avidya) in the form of jiva? End Quote. Let Shiva tread where angles dare! This was a question that had troubled me and one day i happened to come across Sri Shankara's Viveka Chudamani. Where Maya and Brahman [sat] Both exists as we see Radha and Krishna or Shiva and Shakti. This is a given and i am sure not the question. We must ask this question, however: Is Maya, bondage? Now, note, that as we have different Paths to Truth, there is this subtle feeling that our Truth is more True that the other's truth. Hence, the bondage. Bondage to the concept of One truth for All or several Truths for each. Here is the separation. And, even in the question of 'questions' we find what you have asked: Who perceives? Maya does. Correct? smile. Then, if Maya is the perceiver of that which can not perceive then we ask is Truth itself True or that which perceives Truth, True? Brahman is Truth because it is All. Thus, by All standards it is true. As a Swamiji, dear Indus, we may say, You are the vessel of truth, but, this truth is not verified until a devotee perceives this Truth in you-the Devotee as jiva, is Maya. Yet, to see we need a mirror. Thus we then understand what we already know. We may know we have a face, etc., but, the mirror allows us to understand it via the illusion of separation. The root cause, by this reasoning, is so as to Understand what we Know. Knowing we can walk is nothing until we take the steps. We fall and then we continue to walk. Assuming we are going somewhere, when, in truth, what we need requires stationary methods- but, until we walk, how will we know. Look how this jiva speaks what the Swami already knows. It is really quite lovely this garden of life. Bliss, as to the last question, is not enough. We need more as humans, thus we may note the creator. We need to understand..this is the purpose, i believe, of The Path-to understand all of the aspects of Sat...the full glory, be it Deva Krishna or Devi Kali. We may ponder this urge to learn-in all segments of all society-instinct really is enough, but, we wanted to expand and understand-the urge of the Great One--a vast Parent to observe the little ones develop into segments of selfhood. Why? Past understanding, i know not. Possibly, if you will stop ignoring me, you will answer. it was fun to try. And for all of the cynics out there-some of us have to take a swirl, too. Just consider yourselves the pioneers. much love! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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