Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 What about this? Very interesting instruction. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif NA PADA PADAM AKRAMYA NA CAIVA HI TATHA KARAU NA CA ASAMA AHITA MANA NACA SANSAYANO JAPET NA KAMPAYET SIRO GRIVAM DANTAN NAIVA PRAKASAYET (HARI BHAKTI VILASA 17/142 YAJNA VALKYA SAMHITA) Sitting without a seat, while lying down sleeping, while walking, while standing, while on a path or in impure places such a crematoriums or in dark areas are the forbidden to chant japa. Wearing shoes, climbing on a carrier in the sleeping condition, spreading two legs, on an impure asana, one should not chant japa. ys guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyh Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Another angle of vision: Sage Narada concluded by saying, "O Lord, hearing the further eulogy and the narration of details of more benefits, it is quite appropriate that no special rule be followed in the matter of muttering this sacred name, which can be done at all times whether in a clean or even an unclean state. Salutations to thee." (Kali Santarana Upanishad, Upanishad No. 103 of The Krishna Yajurveda) Narada Muni was referring to the Maha Mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 I am not a sanskrit dude, so perhaps someone could suggest which word(s) imply that these restrictions apply to chanting japa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raga Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 "japet" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 This refers to mantra-japa. Nama-japa doesn't fit the technical definition of mantra japa (and thus doesn't have the same rules and regulations). Chaitanya Himself has instructed: tatrarpita niyamitah smarane na kalah Yama and niyama do not apply to nama-japa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raga Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 This refers to mantra-japa. Nama-japa doesn't fit the technical definition of mantra japa (and thus doesn't have the same rules and regulations). Maha-mantra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 What does no hard and fast rules mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raga Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 "Tatrarpita niyamitah smarane na kalah" means "there are no restrictions regarding the time for remembering them (the holy names)". I wonder where the "hard and fast rules" comes from. There are certainly some hard and fast rules, like avoiding the ten nama-aparadhas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 10 offenses should be avoided.No hard and fast rules means we can chant anytime/anyplace...while walking,sitting in bus,etc. joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Yes we are told to not make offense when we chant. We are also told to chant our way through the offensive stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Haribol, a teacher of mine made a joke about this that was very funny. He stated that even in one's dreams, one can do his rounds, but you cannot count them per your daily promise to Guru. haribol, ys, mahaksadasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Maha-mantra? The maha-mantra does not fit the technical definition of a mantra. It is a mantra in effect, not in construction. The name of Krishna can be chanted in any situation, even in an unclean place or situation. This is the example set by Sri Chaitanya Himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Chanting Krishna's name in an unclean state Lecture given by Sri Narayana Maharaja Even if you are passing stool and urine - Hare Krishna Hare Krishna - you can chant in your mind. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did it. If anyone takes the Name of Rama, then Hanuman must go there, with thousands and lakhs of bodies. He can go everywhere, at the same time. There was once a person who never had time to chant the Name. Narada went and told him, "Why don't you chant the Name, you silly, bogus person?" He answered, "I have no time, I am always busy." Narada then asked him, "Are you always busy, even at the time of passing stool and urine?" That person said, "Oh, no, not at that time." Narada Muni told him, "Then at that you should chant." He replied, "That I can do." When he went to pass stool, and he was chanting, "Hare Rama Hare Rama", Hanuman came at once. He was upset and thought, "This bogus person is impure, passing urine and stool." And he gave him a kick. Hanuman is so powerful that even if he would kick Ravana, Ravana would fall over. Even Kumbhakarna and Meghnath would not be able to bear his kick. However, when he kicked this person who was chanting Hare Krishna, it was though nothing had been done. Then Hanuman thought, "This is very wonderful! What happened? I have never seen anything like this. Although he is passing stool and urine and chanting, there is no difficulty or problem." He was in amazement. Then, in the evening, when he returned to Rama and knocked on the door, he heard Rama lamenting. Hanuman entered and asked, "Prabhu, why are you moaning?" Ramacandra told Hanuman that he had done this to Him. Hanuman asked, "O Prabhu, how could I have done this?" Ramacandra said, "You know that nama and nami are both the same. When that person was passing stool and chanting, 'Rama Rama Rama', I went there in his heart. I was in his body. You kicked him, that kick came to My back, and now it has been broken. That is why I am moaning." Hanuman then told Ramacandra, "From today I will not ever do this." Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu once went to pass stool, and Gopala-guru was carrying water. Mahaprabhu caught hold of His tongue very tightly, and Gopal-guru, like a boy, asked, "Prabhu, why are you doing like so?" Mahaprabhu told him that His tongue was out of control. "When I am going to pass stool, this chanting of 'Hare Krishna Hare Krishna' will not stop. I want to stop, but it never stops. So I am doing like this." Gopala-guru told Mahaprabhu, "If anyone is going to die, and stool and urine are coming uncontrollably, should he not chant? I think it is better to chant." Mahaprabhu said, "Oh, you are not only Gopala. You are Gopala-guru." He left His tongue and began to chant. Anyone can do this. Here Mahaprabhu is telling that there are no rules and regulations. It is not that you should only chant in a certain way. It is not that you cannot chant sitting on a bed or walking. You can remember the Name, you can chant it, you can sing it - in any way you can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raga Posted November 26, 2002 Report Share Posted November 26, 2002 The maha-mantra does not fit the technical definition of a mantra. It is a mantra in effect, not in construction. Yes, a mantra is generally in a dative case. However, do you know where such a definition of a mantra would be given? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 26, 2002 Report Share Posted November 26, 2002 A mantra requires certain components, such as Rishi, Chanda, Deva, Bija, etc., etc. A maha-mantra does not require any such components, and belongs to a separate category. Mantras require strict observances of rules prior to chanting and certain conditions, such as purity of location, purity of time, purity of consciousness, etc. Before chanting mantras one must go through the purvanga rituals, which bring one to the necessary state of concentration, focus and purity. Mantras also require a guru to impart the mantra to the disciple. Maha-mantras do not require these prior rituals before chanting. Usually the text that reveals a maha-mantra also explains the freedom to chant the maha-mantra in all circumstances. Sri Chaitanya observed strict disciplines when chanting regular mantras, but with the maha-mantra he chanted it in any circumstance, even in unclean environments. I will try to find some sources on this distinction between mantra and maha-mantra when I get back to Mysore and can access our library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 I wonder where the "hard and fast rules" comes from. na desha-niyamas tasmin na kala-niyamas tathanochhishtadau nishedho 'sti shri-harer namni lubdhaka "There are no rules of time or place for chanting Sri Hari's name. One may chant in any condition, whether clean or unclean. Even if one's mouth is not properly washed, one may chant the names of Sri Hari." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 when mouth is not properly washed or when the body is in an unclean state, does it explicitly mean the mantra can be chanted through mouth. or does it mean: In unclean circumstances, the mantra should be chanted through heart, not uttered through mouth. (since lord's name is same as his name, uttering & having his presence in unclean place is not good). In clean circumstances, the mantra can be chanted either way. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 mahamantra is to be chanted in any circumstance.. and speak mahamantra is superior to think mahamantra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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