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[kailasa]

Only sat guru,

> uttama, can transfer sraddha from

> Heart in heart of the sincere schoolboy. It can not make madhyama

> And especially kanistha adhikari.

 

Madhyama adhikari is quite capable on it. Uttama adhikari at all does not preach according to sastra. Now all "uttama adhikari " it as a rule kanistha adhikari, i.e. those who only begins the devoted service. Somewhat and kanistha adhikari is capable to give such initiation.

 

> Without present sraddha everything, that makes devotee, will not be hereby

> bhakti.

 

Yes it is exact, one dream. As as a rule is not present even madhyama adhikari, therefore better to develop knowledge what to not lose time for empty dreams about sraddha. Developing sraddha and knowledge, the person gradually progresses, but doing sadhana, including on development sraddha, meditation, smaranam and so on, without the sermon such sadhana does not work, it is all remains at a level of mind or material sraddha.

 

Though externally it looks, as bhakti: recurrence japa,

> Study sastra, worship Deities, service guru, - actually

> It bhakti-abhas, similarity or reflection bhakti.

 

Yes it is possible so. Nevertheless if the sermon is present, all blessings can come and come on the fact.

 

What it means? It

> Means, that devoted will not progress: anartha, material

> The desires will not leave heart,

 

Completely correctly, therefore many organizations simply cancel principles, that the head would not be sick.

 

Heart will not be softened, will not appear

> Desires to find krisna-prema and the taste will not come ruci.

 

Very much frequently under a kind "prema" there is in view of simple one of the forms lust. All attributes prema are described in BG. If we base on Goswamis for example, our sermon will be filled by such words as "prema", "bhava" and so on and it will sound very much great. But if to open BG and to look her, from "prema" anything in such case remain, therefore it is better her to not open or to consider than that insignificant. So it is possible to become big big devotee.

 

he will be simple

> To satisfy the desires under covering of religion and eventually

> Will be disappointed, because the reflection bhakti, does not bring satisfaction

> Soul, just as is impossible to be sated, looking on reflection of food in

> Mirror.

 

Therefore such persons are engaged actively in politics, doing the rate that on one that on another being confused it is ever more and more. Having got confused thoroughly begins to be proclaimed only cult guru as decision from only.

 

> It is possible to add, that paramatric-sraddha it happens of two kinds: vaidhi and

> raganuga, which arise independently from each other and do(make) the man

> Capable to begin practice accordingly vaidhi and

> raganuga.

 

Sadhana bhakti passes in raganuga bhakti. If guru madhyama adhikari that he can initiate at once in raganuga bhakti that at all does not mean that will be the sermons sadhana. In madhurya kadambini is described as devotee gradually leaves sadhana. In sadhana there are 16 types of the relations with the God, sadhana it does not mean simply to rise in the morning. In the beginning devotee do of the relation with the God and in mature sadhana in due course they become spontaneous. In the beginning devotee with the help sadana remembers the spiritual nature and as can do spiritual emotions verifying them with sastra. But with of time it can accept a spontaneous nature. In what that cases devotee can "forget" spiritual nature, but it means that he works in a spiritual body. By and large such teach by it are poorly urgent.

 

Raganuga bhakti begins if devotee is executed of spiritual enthusiasm and not too caused. Not having knowledge devotee as will have set of problems that in sadhana, that in raganuga. According with Srila Narottama dT, at first devotee owes realize greatness the Lord Nityananda, without comprehension of greatness of the God, all "raganuga" is simply material emotions. Therefore guru represents Nityananda Prabhu till this His title "Prabhupada", that who gives to us darsan with the God, but madhyama-uttama adhikari gives us darsan at once with Caitanya Mahaprabhu, on what kanistha adhikari on are capable.

 

The attribute nistha is absence anarthas basic of which it is envy, absence of envy this beginning of spiritual life and only without envy the person can understand SB. Therefore formal reference to further sastra is not effective on words SP.

 

> I have described sraddha-tattva only in general. Here is much

> Of subtleties to learn which it is necessary in dialogue with sadhu.

 

And studying sastra, as sadhu is not self-sufficient authority. Guru, sadhu, sastra. Not guru-guru, it is a deceit.

 

That

> To make performance about a level of this or that grown-up vaisnava,

> Is better to address to help of the present madhyama-adhikari, to ask at

> It is even better to learn(find out) the spiritual brothers it vaisnava, and opinion most

> Grown-ups vaisnava on a planet.

 

Whether it on age what? I do not advise.

 

> In 1999. JBC honourly have recognized, that now in ISKCON

> Is not present uttama adhikari, therefore they have decided, that anybody from guru ISKCON not

> Should accept magnificent worship, arrange to itself Vyasa-puja etc.

> (truth nobody follows to this, similar, almost).

 

By him(it) only one ISKCON also realizes. That, where that speak what is uttama adhikari? Very interestingly. Narayana Svami it is doubtless by places works sober, therefore and speak that he kanistha-madhyama this completely exact definition, as he has told that any uttama are not present and Be can not, as it is obvious by everyone, who has though a little reason. It is necessary to search guru madhyama adhikari, as ONLY those who REALLY preaches, instead of are engaged in dragging of the schoolboys, can though in what that the degrees to be considered as madhyama-madhyama or madhyama-uttama.

 

> It is natural, that he will repeat not 16 circles and

> At all 25 or 32, and the minimum 64, as ordered to all followers

> Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

 

In CC the certain quantity " is spoken - ". Is not present not necessarily guru should repeat 64 circles, it is not criterion. At maximum stages guru in general can not repeat or repeat slightly, but this situation is not intended for the wide sermon. There are nine processes of devoted service and each of them self sufficient under the statement SP. The basic process it sravanam kirtanam. When basic exposed smaranam, it sahajiya.

 

Those who does not repeat 64 circles,

> SBST named patita. It

> The fact, what all of us patita, but how can patita the man be guru? Now

> Many speak: " But you see SP ordered to us to repeat 16

> Circles ". But actually he spoke " a minimum 16 ". 16 circles are

> A minimum established for neophits, kanistha-adhikari, that they could

> Though how to begin practice bhakti. But if devotee after thirty

> Of years continues to repeat all same unfortunate 16 circles, what it means?

> It means, that he does not progress, that he as was neophit, and

> Has remained.

 

Is not present it not correctly. Correctly, that 16 circles a minimum, are correct that those who does not repeat 64, patita. Nevertheless mechanical recurrence is less powerful, not offensive recurrence. Therefore better repeat can be and less, but better quality. If the recurrence is increased natural by an image that it is good, nevertheless quantity can not be the basic criterion, though it is doubtless, that the quantity can pass in quality. Therefore devotee do not neglect neither quantity nor quality, nevertheless it is not necessary speak that guru should to repeat 64 circles. It is much better to repeat 16 circles and pure preach.

 

How we can define(determine) the spiritual progress? On that,

> As far as our attachment to Krisna grows, and the Sacred Name is Itself

> Krisna, so, if there is no attachment to it(him), means, is not present any

> Attachment and to Krisna. In what the attachment to Sacred is expressed

> Name? That devoted can not cease it(him) to repeat. That there

> 16 circles - it(him) even lakh will be a little.

 

If who makes that of the insult devotees, advice kirtanam continuously is given to him.

 

Let's check up with itself

> Beginning. With what the practice bhakti begins? To accept

> Protection lotous stop a sat guru. If it to not make, about

> What result there can be a speech? All subsequent actions - even most

> The following sadhana - is strict will not bring desirable spiritual result.

 

Not offensive kirtanam does not depend from initiation. As guru can be submitted as caitya guru. To give manuals about a sacred name anyone can and later can begin to work madhyama adhikari as caitya guru or as direct guru. The set uttama adhikari as is submitted or there is also spiritual teacher initiates in parampara thus. Madhyama adhikari can work through kanistha adhikari as, in it there are no doubts. SP writes that devotee of a high level can use (occupy) anyone.

 

> We with you it is good we know: for five years in BBT we with you almost any

> mangala-arati have not passed and almost of any lecture, behind exception

> Silliest, but present taste and the truth has not appeared,?

 

sadhana it practik of fidelity to the God.

 

For this purpose he, first of all, should ACCEPT internal

> Ad > a spiritual management(manual), instead of external. You understand about what I speak!

 

Various sort sentiment are useless in spiritual life. Nobody can anything know leaning on sentiment.

 

But the caused soul is not capable to see and

> To hear caitya-guru in heart, therefore Krisna mercy comes to it(her)

> In an image of the alive instructor, pure devotee. About

> It is told right at the beginning CC. You in general recognize

> CC?

 

If guru madhyama-uttama adhikari, the actions caitya-guru occur is not dependent the schoolboy hears supersoul or does not hear.

 

If is not present sadhana,

> Means, there is in general no bhakti and will not be.

 

I join.

 

> Ad > About Harikesa Prabhu, I consider, that he honourly has made choice on

> Ad > to the relation to the spiritual life.

 

" If devotee leaves do not think that it is him last word ". Harikesa Svami.

 

It(he), can be to you it seems, that

> Ad > has departed from "parampara" and was lost, but I consider, that more

> Ad > ordinary and sober decision, he, for certain, more has advanced in

> Ad > the party of True, than those many, which prefer to live in illusion

> Ad > " of spiritual progress " и " of deep knowledge ", that

> Ad > most trying "to prove", that is deep преданы to ideals "

> Ad > парампары ".

 

It it is simple kill and all this was known beforehand. As we know who it has made.

 

> It is difficult to me to judge, as far as and where he has advanced, but Acarya speak,

> That guru, which marries the daughter (that is schoolgirl), is

> Embodiment Dhenukasura.

 

As far as sinful authorization gomosex than marry? You do not know by an embodiment that is the one who authorizes gomosex and as who is open recognizes what guru can be the homosexual? Not casually that by and large adjoining with such persons who that falls.

 

Actually husband is spiritual authority for the wife, in the other case there is no sense to marry.

 

> But if the truth is necessary to you, instead of the answer, Sacred sastra is simple

> Describe OBJECTIVE qualities, on which is possible to judge about person, in

> Volume number and about vaisnavs.

 

I join.

 

> If to speak about guru ISKCON (you have set a concrete direction), it is necessary

> To ask not at those who is dependent from them, i.e. in temple ISKCON and at

> Members ISKCON.

 

And if you want to learn about GM, go in ISKCON. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

> Personally I am sure, that in ISKCON is not present and there was no known to me

> uttama (the founder - Srila Swami Maharaja did not belong

> ISKCON).

 

??? He considered that GM does not exist as organization conceived SBST.

 

> And enthusiastic responses of the schoolboys about guru as about uttama vaisnava

> They are clear - are based on emotions and " party solidarity ".

 

Agree.

 

While

> The people (are unimportant, the schoolboy or guru) did not get rid from " party

> Accessories(belonging) " to speak about them spiritual it is possible only conditionally. Is those

> My opinion and I repeatedly emphasized it.

 

What difference, were outside of organization the person simply changes one opinion on precisely same standard but another. There can be who that hears year after year what that the standard sermon in organizations, nevertheless outside of organizations, the precisely same standard sermon goes year after year. Only in organization she by it frequently more both is objective and is connected to the God.