What do Hare Krishna devotees believe about Christ?

[theist]

Sounds painful to me too. i think kings did this to insure the sanctity of their hareems. Or maybe I got that from some old movies.

[Guest guest]

I just read you email and thought would just put some things right.

 

Old testament reveals a only a partially (incomplete) picture of God, only because men were too carnal in mind to accept the full divine knowledge fully at one time. So, here we seen a lot of unrefineness, without any hiding any human flaws, it reveals the true nature of things. There was a gradual unfolding step by step, and in the fullness of the time, Jesus Christ revealed the full knowledge of God, or rather he himself expressed the perfect picture of God the Father.

 

According to Jesus, nothing that you eat can truly defile a person, because it just goes into you stomach and comes down your bowels. It is rather what comes out of one's heart that defiles him, like thoughts of adultery, lust, hatred, murder, lies, greed, foolishness, wickedness, these come from the heart and defile a person. For a truly spiritual man, physical things does not defile, those that come out your inner being is what defiles you, or your conscience. Learn to discriminate between spiritual and the physical.

 

Jesus Christ is the true Light of World only by the fact when he speaks, truth of God is revealed and our dull mind darkened mind is illumined and enlightened by the God's Holy Spirit, but humbleness and sincerity of the heart does not come easy in such dark times.

 

A lover of most loftiest of truths

[theist]

Lord Jesus did not reveal the fullness of the Father. "There are many things I have to tell you but you cannot bear them now."

 

We accept him as an incarnation of God. And I can appreciate you acceptance of continuing revelation about God from God. but you see, that never ends because the Lord is infinite. We, the infitesimal souls, cannot at anytime house a complete understanding of the Lord. The learning process is eternal. Arjuna said that he never became satiated upon hearing the Lord's glories. In fact it just him want to hear more and more.

 

It is true that what we eat doesn't touch or contaminate the soul. the soul exists beyond pious and impious actions.

 

Nevertheless what we do keeps us implicated in this material side of life.

 

Concerning animal flesh what is coming out of people is the willingness to be extremely cruel by slaughtering animals for the taste of their blood. That expression of cruelty insures a cotinued separation from God. Cruelty doesn't not exist in the spiritual kingdom of God.

 

Stay cruel and we stay out.

[Guest guest]

 

We accept him as an incarnation of God.

 

 

 

Jesus is not an incarnation of God. God has an eternally spiritual form and is transcendental to the modes of material nature. Jesus, his followers believe, suffered for their sins on the cross. His suffering and bleeding to death is an integral part of their theology, however much we may disagree with it. If that's true, then Jesus can't be God.

 

Hare Krsna

 

[theist]

We talk of simultaneous oneness and difference. That's the philosophy, but factual we (vast majority of us) don't really understand what that means. What we think and speak like are complete and total dualists.

 

How do we express acintya?

[theist]

Lord Buddha is Krsna, Lord Jesus Christ was Krsna incarnation, but they were preaching to a different type of people.

 

Conv. Mexico may 4, 1972

[Guest guest]

 

We take of simultaneous oneness and difference. That's the philosophy, but factual we (vast majority of us) don't really understand what that means. What think and speak like complete and total dualists.

 

 

 

If you don't understand what it means, then how can you speak of it one way or another? What is your evidence?

 

If you do understand what it means, then why do you hide behind "acintya" to substantiate a concept you cannot otherwise prove?

 

Either Jesus is Krishna or he is not. The living entities are not Krishna. They are part of his marginal potency. There is qualitiative oneness but quantitative difference. But it is still clear that the living entities are not God. For two things to be exactly the same they must share all the same properties. The fact that God is acintya does not change any of this.

 

Similarly, to say that Jesus is Krishna implies that Jesus must have all 64 of the cardinal attributes in full. Does he? If so, where is your evidence?

 

"Inconceivability" should not be used as an excuse to postulate a relationship that is not defensible. What is next? Maybe living entities are also God, and the mayavadis were right all along, in their own inconceivable way. Or maybe Shiva is the same as Vishnu, so we should not claim that Shiva cannot give liberation. Maybe all the other demigods are also Vishnu.

 

Hare Krsna.

[theist]

Your post proves my point.

 

1+1 =?

[Guest guest]

This is a lot like mayavadis who say that maya is anirvachaniya - neither existing nor not existing. No one should speak of it, because it is anirvachiniya. Like that, some people similarly use "acintya." Yes, two things I happen to like are same, but if someone differs with me, I will just say it is inconceivable, he can't understand it, so nobody should differ with me on this.

 

 

[yasodanandana]

this statement of srila prabhupada never advocates an impersonalist oneness between god and creatures..

 

quantitatively god is god and jiva is jiva

 

if prabhupada says that "Lord Buddha is Krsna, Lord Jesus Christ was Krsna incarnation" it means that buddha and jesus are avataras not that they are only brahman

[theist]

 

But the Mäyävädé philosophers fail to understand that absolute means that one plus one is equal to one, and that one minus one is also equal to one. This is the case in the absolute world.

 

 

Sorry, I can't explain it.

[Yashoda_dd]

Even after two thousand years, the name of Lord Jesus is very powerful, in the whole world, thanks to many branches and sects. Some preaching they have the same, some say total different - some of them are vegetarians because they say Lord Jesus was a vegetarian. The cult of Mother Mary: some sects say She was a virgin and holy, some say she was just an ordinary mother but her son was God.

 

Anyway... Srila Prabhupada, on Dec 31 1966 in New York said:

 

"In the beginning, Lord Caitanya says that by the symptoms, we can understand that He is saktyavesa. By the symptoms and activities and influence. So what is that symptom? Symptom is that eternal and temporary. So avatar, incarnation comes to glorify the eternal existence of the Supreme Lord. So any avatara, any incarnation, He comes to glorify that "There is spiritual kingdom. There is God, and I have come to reclaim you to back to Godhead, back to home." This is the symptom. So therefore, by that symptom, we accept Lord Jesus Christ as saktyavesa avatara, or Hajarat Muhammad, he's also. Because these two religious leaders of the world, they preached about the glorification of the Supreme Lord. And they sacrificed everything for preaching the glories of the Lord. Therefore, and their influence and their followers, there are... These are the symptoms by which we can understand that Jesus Christ and Hazarat Muhammad was, were saktyavesa avataras.

So far Buddha is concerned, he's also considered saktyavesa avatara. He preached this nirvana philosophy. Although he did not speak about God because it is considered that he was himself God, but the people amongst whom he preached, they were mostly atheistic people. Therefore he did not preach about God. But he did not deny also. He simply wanted to make extinction of this present worldly activities."

 

© 1991 by Bhaktivedanta Book Trust

 

Your servant,

Ydd

 

In the beginning, Lord Caitanya says that by the symptoms, we can under- stand that He is saktyavesa. By the symptoms and activities and influence. So what is that symptom? Symptom is that eternal and temporary. So avatar, incarnation comes to glorify the eternal existence of the Supreme Lord. So any avatara, any incarnation, He comes to glorify that "There is spiritual kingdom. There is God, and I have come to reclaim you to back to Godhead, back to home." This is the symptom. So therefore, by that symptom, we accept Lord Jesus Christ as saktyavesa avatara, or Hajarat Muhammad, he's also. Because these two religious leaders of the world, they preached about the glorification of the Supreme Lord. And they sacrificed everything for preaching the glories of the Lord. Therefore, and their influence and their followers, there are... These are the symptoms by which we can understand that Jesus Christ and Hazarat Muhammad was, were saktyavesa avataras.

So far Buddha is concerned, he's also considered saktyavesa avatara. He preached this nirvana philosophy. Although he did not speak about God because it is considered that he was himself God, but the people amongst whom he preached, they were mostly atheistic people. Therefore he did not preach about God. But he did not deny also. He simply wanted to make extinction of this present worldly activities.

 

© 1991 by Bhaktivedanta Book Trust

[Guest guest]

Theist is wrong and Jesus is not Krishna.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Why waste our time discussing is Jesus was God or if Krishna was GOD. Who cares!!!! MAybe yes, maybe none of them are GOD.

None of us was here 5000 years ago to see Krishna and be certain that he was GOd.

None of us was alive 2000 years ago to see Jesus walk over the watar.

If Jesus and Krishna were God of not should not matter. Is not important if Jesus resurected or not... Is not important if Krishna faught the demonds in Vridavan...

 

Let's stop arguing if they existed or not...Let's not argue who's who or what. Whatever we can come up with is THEORY and perphaps knowlege.....But knowledge is intimatly related to ignorance.

 

What we should do is to look at their teachings and put them into practice (that's the hardest part). Krishna and Chrisht taught Love and non-attachment.

With both elements we all can reach enlightment.

 

[Guest guest]

Way to bring dredge up old topics, Guest!

 

 

What we should do is to look at their teachings and put them into practice (that's the hardest part). Krishna and Chrisht taught Love and non-attachment.

With both elements we all can reach enlightment.

[theist]

We have great respect for Lord Jesus Christ. We accept him as powerful incarnation of Krishna, as much as we accept Lord Buddha.- letter to Syamasundara, N.V. June 3, 1969

 

Shatyavesh avatar. Try to understand a little one and difference. Many of you are dressing and talking like big devotees of Mahaprabhu so I wouldn't think this would be that hard.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir, what is called 'Old Testament' is an awkward PLAGUE(plagiarizing) and speculation on what is called 'VEDAs'(THE REAL scriptures- SASTRAs.)

If you are not so sure that 'habiru'(hebrew) tribes(below even sudras- chandala-mlechchha) are DEMONIC(asuric) ORIENTED in the end of Dwapara and the beginning of Kali(Apo-Kali-psi) just read the Deuteronomy(and you will see the these chandala tribes ADORE Kali- an aspect ot the Shiva's wife).

Levi(levees, leviticus) these chandala 'priest' are PROBABLY the first official satanic priest- judah's priest.

There a lot of evedences that Christos(hellenic word for ChrsTna) appears just because 5,000 years ago hellenic tribes were kshatryas out of the sacral vedic state.

What is called western democracy is a jewish trick(hoax) and often consider Jesus as a revolutionary just because their are in the mode of ignorance.

Jesus came form Satya(Krita, Crete)loca(l) sent by B.Ra(h)ma-atma Himself, the first EMANATION of Visnu. Vishnu is the full expansion of KRSNA!

 

AUM Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya!

[theist]

Those exact words were recently posted on this forum by another copy and paster. Like you that person pretended to be the author by not listing and giving credit to his source.

 

Please give proper credit where credit is due.