What learned Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu

March 20, 2003

another thing,... i have heard this before,

that in Vraja lila, yoga maya is covering

everyone, even Krishna, that he is not aware

of the outside world, in a kind of sleepiness

or forgetfullness, etc.

this is not true.

taken literally it is philosophically untenable,

and not accurate at all.

krishna is never covered over by any maya,even yoga maya,

that is factually impossible, krishna is the supreme

lord,fully aware of everything,everywhere,all the time.

if he becomes forgetfull, then how is the cosmic manifestation being maintained ?

how can god become covered over by an illusion

that he is controlling and maintaining ?

it is impossible,maya is not another god,maya

is Krishna's energy,it cannot do anything independent

of Krishna's constant control, he can never

be under it's influence, he is the source and

controller of Maya,at all times,all places,

al circumstances.

so , what does it mean when it is said that in Vraja,

Krishna ,is kind of forgetfull,or under a spell

of some kind ?

it cannot be taken literally, it makes no sense,

and has no real substance or truth to it,

it is impossible.

the symbolic meaning is the appropriate one,

in Vraja lila ,Krishna is not what you may

think, in truth Radha is the enjoying aspect of Krishna, the inner Hladini shakti, the pleasure

potency of Krishna, for the pleasure pastimes

of Vraja, Radha is the pleasure principle

of Sri Krishna, She is the inner energy or soul

of Krishna , the true enjoyer of madhurya rasa.

Krishna takes on a lesser role, he is not really

the supreme enjoyer in Vraja, although it may appear to be that he is, he is in a kind of less important

position compared to Radha and the gopi's,

in that sense it can be said in a symbolic way

that Krishna is under yoga maya, this is because

he is acting to furthur the pleasure of Radha,

the Gopis and the Gopas, he may appear to

be the central figure, but that is yoga maya,

in truth he is acting under the desire

of Sri Radha and the gopis, who he is non different

from.

He is in a symbolic way, under illusion ,it appears as if he is

enjoying madhurya rasa, when in fact he is a puppet

of Sri Radha, and she is the true enjoyer of Vraja

rasa,not Krishna, Krishna is less then Radha, Radha and

Krishna are one and the same person, but Radha

is the pleasure potency, the ultimate enjoying

principle, and she uses Krishna to direct

the pastimes ,externally.

March 20, 2003

Dear Shiva,

I am not sure why you feel the need to try to 'correct' others here on this forum and insinuate that they are not willing to give fully of themselves in Krsna's service by labeling them sahajiyas. May I ask you who is your spiritual master and from whom you have received your great insights that you have posted above? I think it only fair to ask you this since you have stated that it is a pre-qualification for genuine entrance into divine understanding. I agree with it, but I would like to know from whom you have heard the things you are saying.

What you are saying is not at all in keeping with what is in the writings of the six goswamis or all of the acharyas that I am aware of in Bhaktivinoda Parivara or any other Parivara for that matter. Yoga Maya definitely has her part to play in the divine lila. She is arranging everything very nicely - and yes - she even has her influence over Krsna and places him into 'divine illusion' for the purpose of lila. Please provide a sastric reference for your contention that this is not the case. Something from the writing of the Goswami's or from the Srimad Bhagavatam, Caitanya Caritamrta, or even something from the words of any accepted acharya in our lineage.

Your servant,

Audarya-lila dasa

anadi · March 21, 2003

Previously the devotees have proved that someone was wrong and offensive in his objection saying that

"Srila Krsna dasa Kaviraja Gosvami didn't meant what he wrote, when he described the internal meaning of the descent of Sri Caitanya.

But that person I don't whant to know it!

The "mistake" , that one has to vehemently denounce

"when i here devotees speak that Krishna is covered by yoga maya , and is not aware of the material world, and that he forgets who he is, and so on...i cringe."

I will try by the mercy of guru and vaisnavas to explain something.

In Braja

by Krsna's own arrangements, that means by His own will , His own internal energy, yoga maya,

will act so that tattva jnana is covered for all .

What is the meaning?

In Braja

Oh, Krsna don't want to know that He is the Supreme , All Powerful and Opulent Lord ,

all that He want, is to know that He is the Lord of all Sweetness .

How is He doing this? By His own shakti, Maya in her vriti (function) as yoga maya, who makes Him to be only that what He wants, The Lord of all Sweetness, and nothing else.

This is His will

and this energy which is also called lila shakti and acts on Krsna Himself as His own svarupa shakti,

makes Him to be totally dived in the mellow of rasa .

All His other Manifestations will be engaged (not take care) in other lilas,

(which for our understanding were parted in some divisions)

than Krsna (including His Manifestations) is lila purushotam , the Enjoyer of His endless lilas,

only some think He is something else.

Maya in her function as Yoga maya is no illusory energy, is the one that arrange the pastimes of the Lord, lila shakti.

In all lilas the sentiments of the Lord are real,

not that He is playing like an actor, for somebody's sake.

He is lila purushotam!

Maya in her function as Maha maya is the illusory energy by her three magic sticks (satva, raja and tama gun).

All glories to Sri Guru and Gaura!

anadi · March 21, 2003

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami himself has defined pure

bhakti, suddha-bhakti. He explained that raganuga-bhakti is pure suddha-

bhakti. Only raganuga-bhakti. He has vividly declared this in his commentary on

Caitanya Caritamrta (see Cc. Adi-lila 4.22purp.) Prema-bhakti is raganuga-bhakti.

Vaidhi-bhakti is not suddha-bhakti. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said

that 'samah sarvesu bhutesu' is for beginners. They should practice this, and thus

gradually they can enter into the realm of actual bhakti.

At last Raya Ramananda said:

jnane prayasam udapasya namanta eva

jivanti san-mukharitam bhavadiya-vartam

sthane sthitah sruti-gatam tanu-vah-manobhir

ye prayaso 'jita jito 'py asi tais tri-lokyam

["O my Lord Krsna, a devotee who abandons the path of empiric

philosophical speculation aimed at merging in the existence of the Supreme and

engages himself in hearing Your glories and activities from a bona fide

sadhu, or saint, and who lives an honest life in the occupational engagement of

his social life, can conquer Your sympathy and mercy even though You are

ajita, or unconquerable." (Bhag. 10.14.3)]

Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but you should

eventually try to forget even this. You cannot forget it, but Krsna says, "By My

causeless mercy I will manage it through Yogamaya." Without this mercy you

cannot forget. First you should know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of

Godhead, the supreme power, having all opulences. In an instant He can

destroy all the universes and in the next moment He can create new

ones, but you will have to forget this.

anadi · March 21, 2003

In Braja

by Krsna's own arrangements, that means by His own will , His own internal energy, yoga maya,

will act so that tattva jnana is covered for all .

What is the meaning?

In Braja

Oh, Krsna don't want to know that He is the Supreme , All Powerful and Opulent Lord ,

all that He want, is to know that He is the Lord of all Sweetness .

How is He doing this? By His own shakti, Maya in her vriti (function) as yoga maya, who makes Him to be only that what He wants, The Lord of all Sweetness, and nothing else.

This is His will

and this energy which is also called lila shakti and acts on Krsna Himself as His own svarupa shakti,

makes Him to be totally dived in the mellow of rasa .

All His other Manifestations will be engaged (not take care) in other lilas,

(which for our understanding were parted in some divisions)

than Krsna (including His Manifestations) is lila purushotam , the Enjoyer of His endless lilas,

only some think He is something else.

Maya in her function as Yoga maya is no illusory energy, is the one that arrange the pastimes of the Lord, lila shakti.

In all lilas the sentiments of the Lord are real,

not that He is playing like an actor, for somebody's sake.

He is lila purushotam!

Maya in her function as Maha maya is the illusory energy by her three magic sticks (satva, raja and tama gun).

March 21, 2003

i'll try and make this as simple as possible

for you o.k. ?

Yoga maya and maha maya are terms to describe

the different effects of the One energy

of Godhead, there is only one energy, although

for the purpose of explanation, that one energy

of god is given various designations for the purpose

of educating you.

yoga maya is the internal energy, the energy that deals with the pleasure pastimes of the lord.

Maha maya deals with the material manifestations.

yoga maya is described as being represented by

Balaramas other identity as ananga manjari.

why is this so ?

you must understand the nature of Vraja lila,

it is meant for casual intimacy,devoid of awe

worship or any emotions of great respect that can

inhibit the flow of intimacy.

so, ultimately Krishna can be said to be affected by yoga maya, although he is not really in the true sense

of the word.

how so, you ask ?

Radha and Krishna are the predominant personalities

in Vraja, Krishna is leader of the gopas,Radha

while not really the leader of the gopis, due to her shyness,she

is the most beautiful and regarded as the jewel

of vrndavana.

Radha and Krishna are interested in each other above all else, but at the same time from our position we can understand the inner reality, Radha and Krishna are

in reality one and the same, one male form,one female

form, but the same person.

in reality they cannot really be interested in each other, they are the same person, and therefore there can not be a true rasa between the same person, it would be

like you trying to have rasa with your image in a mirror,

it is simply impossible.

But to the residents of Vraja, that is not known,

to them Krishna and Radha are the supreme couple,

the coolest guy, and prettiest girl, in love.

but this is due to their being under illusion, the reality

is hidden from them.

the truth is revealed in gita govinda of jayadeva.

there Krishna has vanished , Radha is despondent,

and turns to her closest friends for the intimate

rasa she yearns for.

this is the reality of the situation, Radha and Krishna

are the same supreme godhead,One person,

in reality they cannot enjoy rasa due to this fact,

Radha, who is the inner soul of Krishna the hladini

shakti, the pleasure principle, the enjoying aspect

of Krishna , is in a dilemma, Krishna, does

not really exist for her, he has vanished !

She is Krishna, and cannot enjoy rasa with out

a real person to enjoy it with, this is

the essence of Gita govinda, Krishna is gone,

and Radha needs her devotee to satisfy her longing

for rasa.

but still we have heard that ananga manjari is yogamaya, covering Radha Krishna.

The truth is that radha is Krishna's consort in Vraja,

the posaition of the gopis ,becomes paramount.

Radha and Krishna are practically worshipped in Vraja ,

the gopis are all expansions of Radha, and they are

not respected and worshipped like Sri Radha and Krishna.

they are the vehicle for the highest ecstacy, As we have heard the Gopis position is supreme, they are

not affected by the almost worshipfull admiration

that Radha recieves due to her supreme beauty.

they all are non different then Radha,they are

the heart and soul of the supreme lord,

they are the true enjoyers of madhurya rasa

by the hladini shakti, all being expansions

of that shakti, they are more casual in their relations

then Radha is able to be, And it is through

them that the highest ecstacy is enjoyed by

the suprem personality of godhead.

so it can be said that yogamaya,is covering over

Radha and Krishna and personified by ananga manjari,

who is one of the true enjoyers, while Radha and Krishna

are performing their pastimes for the benefit of their devotees.

i hope this clears things up for you.

anadi · March 21, 2003

If you are not so proud.

please, have the power to apologise to My Gurudeva, who you said he is a blind who carries another blind to the ditch. Maybe this will help you, me and all the vaisnavas that read that offensse.

March 21, 2003

i didn't mention any names,

i didn't offend anyone,

i was speaking in general terms,

and it is the reality of the situation.

what is the problem ?

If you see something wrong in what i said,what is it ?

if a blind person follows another blind

person ,then they both fall in a ditch.

Srila Prabhupada used this saying when describing

the situation all so prevelant today, those

without qualification or realization, are

followed by others who are less educated and are

being cheated, what Srila Prabhupada called

the society of the cheaters and the cheated.

the cheater can take advantake of the cheated due to

the cheated being anxious to simplify the process

recommended by the acharyas.

the cheaters enhance the ego of the cheated,

telling them they are advanced and can immediately

rise to the highest platform, cheapening

the entire process into a marketplace of

exploitation.

This is going on, and has been going on for a long

time, why you think i know who your Guru is,

or that i was refering to him, is something

that maybe you need to look at within yourself,

i wasn't refering to any particular person,

only stating a general rule of thumb.

anadi · March 21, 2003

"i dont know who you are talking about"

can you handle the truth ? from shiva [re: anadi]

03/20/03 04:40 PM

when you try and be an authority in things

that you have no actual experience of,

and rely on the words of those in the same position ,

Srila Prabhupada used to say that is like the

blind leading the blind, the result ?

they both fall in a ditch.

There is not doubt, you are addressing to me.

And the one that leads me is my gurudeva.

March 21, 2003

well if you say so,after all

you wrote it, no wait a sec,

i wrote it.

like i said, i was making a point

on principle, those who have no

actual experience of the highest reality,

are not in a position to act as an authority

in that subject, if they do, then those

who follow them and those who are

acting as leader will both be in

the same situation, depending on

speculation on something that

is not of their experience.

so don't take offense, i wasn't trying

to point my finger at any particular

person or persons, just making a point

about being cautious when it comes

to things you do not have experience

with.

anadi · March 21, 2003

so it can be said that yogamaya ,is covering over

Radha and Krishna and personified by ananga manjari,

who is one of the true enjoyers, while Radha and Krishna

are performing their pastimes for the benefit of their devotees .

I would like that this would be not misinterpreted.

Radha and Krishna

are performing their pastimes for the benefit of their devotees?

No! Not like that.

Maybe we can say so when They come in the naimitik (the occasional lila),

and we can see something.

But truelly they are performing their pastimes

because They are the enjoyer of the madhura rasa.

Is not that the madhur lila is there for us, oh no,

it is us (some of us) that are for the madhur lila.

Radha and Krishna in reality they cannot really be interested in each other, they are the same person, and therefore there can not be a true rasa between the same person, it would be

like you trying to have rasa with your image in a mirror,

it is simply impossible.

No! not like that.

Both lila (Radha Krsna and Caitanya Mahaprabhu) exist eternally in Goloka,

even if in some Kunja this lilas intersect each other, when Radha Krsna embrace and become Gaura.

Nobody can say that first was Gaura or Radha Krsna, they are both (Gaura and Radha Krsna) there anadi.

The loving sentiments of the divine couple are real just because Krsna is the enjoyer of His lilas.

There is no fake love or fake feelings.

March 22, 2003

Actually we are ALL enjoyers of love, the supreme zenith of service. God exists to 'serve' His/Her devotees, who are one in Love -- Radha. Only God exists, but always simultaneously one-and-different, inconceivably as infinite personalities and One at the same time. The nature of Krsna is to increasingly enjoy, but His greatest pleasure lies in serving/loving Radhika whom we are each a part of, intended by Her to expand the enjoyment of Her beloved.

Only through the purest devotion from us can Krsna fully reciprocate, as His direct interactions depend on the quality/degree of our surrender [bhagavad-gita]. We, as part-and-parcel of Her, depend wholly on Radha while She also needs Her girlfriends and associates. Indeed, all of Goloka assists Her in Their loving pastimes and Sri Gurudeva should be seen as one of Her most confidential associates. Manjaris play a most intimate service role and are thus the most intense enjoyers, though of course that is never their motivation. In madhurya lila, Lord Balarama is Ananga manjari, Radha's younger sister.

There's little point in trying to get ahead of ourselves in understanding these matters, in fact it can easily become detrimental to our service. Srila Prabhupada gave the example of using a falashlight while walking through a dark forest -- better to shine it immediately in front where we're stepping than up into the trees, creating fearful shadows. In other words, "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing". I'm not in any way criticizing Srila Narayan Maharaja, whose sweet descriptions of Radha-Krsna lila I very much appreciate since they speak to my heart, echoing my own personal 'realizations' and sentiments.

Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur calls it "self-evident" knowledge and it's already there in our heart-of-hearts, ready to be unveiled by His Divine Grace should we truly desire it to be. Too much mind, including an overdependence on book learning, can interfere with the heart when it comes to Bhakti. Even those who have the benefit of a direct relationship with a living guru may not fully appreciate his role or how to best utilize him. I know many disciples that do not reveal the complete truth of their lives to their gurus, embarassed to be totally honest with him. Honesty and openess in genuine humility and trust are of the utmost importance, both with God and gurudeva.

Not that this applies to you, neither are such personal relationships any of my business or anyone else's, for that matter. In this we are each alone, flying solo. Hopefully though I can remain humble enough to greatfully accept the suggestions of others, knowing my guru to be eveywhere in everyone. Of course, that doesn't mean I always listen, let alone actually hear!

Jai Gauranga! Jai Sri Guru! Jai Radhe!

March 22, 2003

i'm sorry anandi, yes, it is true, Radha and Krishna

are performing for the benefit of the lila,

not just for the devotees in Vraja, but for themselves

and everyone else.

The Vraja pastimes are such that Radha and Krishna

are the center of attention, but in our position

we can understand the inner reality,not available

to the Vrajabhumis who are not aware of Radha

and Krishna's true identity as Bhagavan.

As far as manjaris, and all that has been said about their

position by many people, that is another matter,i will

try and make it clear to you.

Radha is very rich, in fact she owns everything in

the cosmos, and like rich people here on earth

she has many suitors, the devotees.

As many rich girls do,Radha is beset by suitors

who claim to love her ,but who may in fact want a relationship for gain, like many rich girls she wants

to know "do they love me ? or do they really want

my wealth ? "

this is a problem, so what is the solution ?

how can the wheat be seperated from the chaff ?

how does she know if her suitor is interested in loving

relationship with her, or out for her wealth and position ?

so, we are told , "the highest position one can attain is

as a manjari, a little girl who aides the conjugal pastimes, not directly taking part in them, but aiding

those pastimes "

so, now she can tell who is sincere in loving her, and who wants to gain from her.

those who want to gain , they will try and attain the position of manjari, a whole sadhana is laid out for them.

those who are only interested in giving her love,without

seeking a high position, they will not be attracted

to that position, why ? because while it is said

that the manjari is the highest attainable position,

the manjaris do not participate directly in the conjugal

pastimes, and the tru lover of Radha will not find this acceptable, only the direct giving of themselves to Radha

as her dearest confidant and beloved is acceptable to them,

and this is what attracts Her to them, the desire

not for the highest position, but the desire

for an intimate person to person love, and reciprical

relationship with the beloved.

those devotees are who Radha is attracted to , those who do not

desire even the highest position attainable for the

jiva, if it means no intimacy with her,as the beloved.

anadi · March 22, 2003

Many people who are still under the powerful influence of the material thinking,like myself,

and are not so acquainted with the spiritual tattvas, by the power of the association with realized devotees,

when they here that Krsna is covered by (yoga) maya will cringe too.

That is why I think that it would be better to say, as I explained previously, as Srila Krsnadas Kaviraj Gosvami also says

lilavese prabhura nahi nijanusandhana

iccha jani 'lila sakti' kare samadhana

Indeed, the Personality of Godhead forgot Himself in the course of His transcendental pastimes, but His internal potency [lila-sakti], knowing the intentions of the Lord, made all arrangements.

If something is covered, than that is the Aishvarya shakti which implies the jnana tattva about the majesty and opulence. Otherwise the madhur rasa won't take place.

As for the post concerning rasa tattva, please tell more, like

some pastimes which aparently contradict what you said,

where Radha make arrangemnts for Her manjaris to meet with Krsna.

You know so much about rasa!

Jaya Radhe!

All glories to sri guru and gaura,

My humble obeissances also to the revered guest, who has written such nice siddhanta.

March 23, 2003

They high love for karmis. They reach soo high position. You Shiva do not understand. It is perfect guru, perfect disciples, they teach whole world, perfect love for Radha. You post nice, but they no have interests for spiritual life. They simply exploit spiritual matters.

anadi · March 24, 2003

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja came to give the philosophy that

only Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Then I came, by his

order, to tell you that this knowledge will not suffice. You should try to

forget this and be like the Vrajavasis. You should try to be a Vrajavasi. Neither

Yasoda Mayia, Nanda Baba, Sridama, Subala, Madhumangala, nor any servant of

Nanda Baba believes that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They

only know that He is a very ignorant and naughty child, and that He is the

son of Nanda Baba. They never think, "He is actually the father and mother of

Nanda Baba." You should forget this; otherwise you cannot realize

gopi-prema or Vraja-prema. Vraja-prema is the highest love, and Raya Ramananda

proved this by scriptures like Srimad Bhagavatam.

Yet, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was still not fully satisfied. When Raya

Ramananda said that gopi-prema was the highest love, Sri Caitanya

Mahaprabu replied, "O yes, yes. Very good. But please speak further." Then, when

Ramananda Raya said that among the gopis, the love of Srimati Radhika

is the highest, Mahaprabhu expressed a doubt. He inquired, "You said that

Krsna disappeared from the rasa-dance. Why did He disappear? He never

wanted to displease all the gopis. There were lakhs and lakhs of gopis there,

and all of them had left their husbands and loka-lajja, worldly shyness. They

had left maryada, societal restrictions, and everything else. Each and

every one of the gopis had left everything and come to Krsna. How, then, could

Krsna forget any one of them? He wanted to please each and every gopi, and

that is why He became the same number as all the gopis who were present there

and He danced with each one."

Spoken by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja.

March 24, 2003

i would have to respectfully disagree with that assessment

by Narayana Maharaja , Srila Bhaktivedanta only

taught about Krishna ?

and Narayana Maharaja is the post graduate theologian ?

is this what I am hearing ?

i say ,piffle !

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami gave full knowledge of all things

concerning Gaudiya Vaisnavism, maybe he should read Caitanya Caritamrta by Bhaktivedanta, this way of thinking

that Srila Prabhupada has somehow been less revealing

then Narayana maharaja has been around for a while,

it least know it appears i know where this idea started.

Tripurari Maharaja has very nicely given us the definitive study of Srila Prabhupadas writings concerning

Srila Prabhupadas eternal rasa with Radha Krishna,

a gopa,.

also Srila Rupa goswami has shown us his eternal rasa

when he wrote in the bhakti rasamrta sindhu that he prays

that his attraction for Bhagavan is exactly like that of a young boy for a young girl.

Also Sanatana goswami in his Brhat Bhagavatamrtam

has shown the ascension of the jiva all the way to Goloka

ending ultimatelly as a gopa.

If what you wrote is accurate quoting Narayana Maharaja

then i can only warn about the reality of the situation,

Srila Prabhupada ,Rupa Goswami,Sanatana Goswami

are the authorities on rasa tattva, their conclusions

i agree with, They are the MOST intimate associates

of Radha Krishna and are not less intimatelly

associated with Radha then anyone.

March 25, 2003

i would have to respectfully disagree with that assessment

by Narayana Maharaja , Srila Bhaktivedanta only

taught about Krishna ?

and Narayana Maharaja is the post graduate theologian ?

is this what I am hearing ?

anadi · March 25, 2003

All the gopis saw that "Krsna is only with me",

but Radhika saw that Krsna was very tricky .

She thought, "He is with all the gopis, and also

with Me",and She could not tolerate this.

" Krsna is a liar and a cheater .

He assures Me, 'You are My most beloved. I love You the most.

You are the topmost. '

And to Lalita, Visakha, and Candravali He tells, 'You are My most beloved.'

He will even go to Kubja, and what will He say to her? 'Oh, you are My most dear preyasi.'"

Srimati Radhika then became somewhat manini . There is no word for manini in English, but it means having so much love and affection internally, and outwardly some anger. It seems like jealousy, but it is not actually so.

In pure devotion, prema-bhakti, there is no dvesa, jealosy. We see that in Srila Rupa Gosvami, Srila Sanatana Gosvami, Srila Haridasa Thakura, and Sri Prahlad Maharaja there is no jealousy. How, then, can it be present in the gopis' pure transcendental love?

Radhika wanted to please Krsna, and thus He came and He apologized to Her, "Please forgive Me. I will never again

commitany offense at Your lotus feet."

This pleased Krsna Himself , and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was also enjoying all these moods. These moods cannot be given to any jiva, but we can receive the service to the gopis.

Srimati Radhika had some doubt. She thought that Krsna was equally loving all the other gopis.

He disappeared, therefore, so that no other gopi

would be displeased with Him. He wanted to meet Radhika alone and did not want the other gopis to know.

(Addressing Srila BV Aranya Maharaja) You should clarify this point.

spoken by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja Prabhupada

March 25, 2003

They misunderstanding Gaura lila. They take mood Krisna lila and mix this in Gaura lila. It is mehanical understanding. They cultivate sraddha in "way madhurya prema bhakti", and mix sastra. In material conception wery difficult understand as separation higher meeting.

Hmmm... have apple it is good. No have apple it is no good. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

March 25, 2003

Birds of the same feather flock together.

March 25, 2003

Nothing reply? Kailasa bad you right? /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Yes it is yors siddhanta. "We right, oters wrong" /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Prema bhakti.

"We high, oters low". You high, but not all look this. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Needs soo mutch preach abhout how you hight. Wery serious work, preachings - " madhurya rasa gopi bhava".

March 25, 2003

I don't know when anadi prabhu said you're bad or low,

but if you think like this about yourself, is a good sign that you're on the good way to become a vaisnava.

And the provocative way won't do.

Is not like vaisnava way.

Vaishnava_das108 · March 25, 2003

Tripurari Maharaja has very nicely given us the definitive study of Srila Prabhupadas writings concerning

Srila Prabhupadas eternal rasa with Radha Krishna,

a gopa,.

Am I understanding coreectly? Tripurari Swami says that Srila Prabhupada is a gopa (cowherd boy)? Do you have a quote, please?

March 25, 2003

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0005/ET03-5911.html

http://swami.org/sanga/archives/pages/volume_two/m86.html

two articles by Tripurari swami on Srila Prabhupada

as gopa.

What learned Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu

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