Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 clearly you are not meant to understand these things, what is obvious becomes hidden, what is illogical becomes logical. If i were you i would first try and understand the basics, then you can understand the higher things. until you can see as Srila Prabhupada and Sadasiva stated, that Radha and Krishna are one person,identical, then all of your attempts to understand the meaning of rasa tattva will be useless and detrimental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 rasa can only be between different people, <font color="blue"> rasa cannot exist between one person and her different extensions </font color> <font color="red"> Everything</font color> is <font color="blue"> Krsna's extensions as saktiman tattva</font color> and <font color="blue"> Radhika's extensions as sakti tattva</font color> , and transformation of that as the jada jagat world. DEFINITION Transcendental rasa is the TRANSCENDETAL loving EXCHANGE between <font color="blue"> vishaya tattva</font color> - the object of love and <font color="blue"> ashraya tattva</font color> - the container of love which attains the highest extent in the loving pastimes between vishaya tattva - Braja Krsna the <font color="blue"> only</font color> hero of Madhurya rasa and ashraya tattva - the queen of Braja Srimati Radhika, the supermost heroin of the Madhurya rasa Some of us maybe will be part of the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Shiva says, Radha and Krishna are the same person, rasa between them is impossible, and only appears to be real... He should take the time to read what His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupasda has actually written with regard to hladini shakti and stop making his own speculations about the nature of Radha and Krsna and rasa tattva. Cc. Adi lila for a beginning: . . . In order to learn how Krsna's pleasure can be obtained, we must read the Tenth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, in which Krsna's pleasure potency is displayed in HIS pastimes with RADHARANI and the DAMSELS of Vraja. Unfortunately, UNINTELLIGENT (STUPID) people turn at once to the sports of Krsna in the Dasama-skandha, the Tenth Canto. KRSNA'S embracing RADHARANI or HIS dancing wWITH the COWHEARD GIRLS in the RASA DANCE are generally not understood by ORDINARY men because they consider these pastimes in the light of mundane lust. They incorrectly think that Krsna is like themselves and that HE embraces the GOPIS just as an ordinary man embraces a young girl. Some people thus become interested in Krsna because they think that His religion allows indulgence in sex. This is not krsna-bhakti, love of Krsna, but prakrta-sahajiya--materialistic lust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 the real rasa is between Radha's extensions and the gopas, they are engaged in pastimes Sri Bhakti rasamrita sindhu bindu Overview of bhakti rasa Sri Bindu-vikåsini-vritti When krsna-rati, or in other words, the sthåyibhåva (the permanent emotion of the heart in one of the five primary relationships of sånta, dåsya, sakhya, and so on) becomes exceedingly tasty for the devotee by virtue of the elements known as vibhåva, anubhåva, såttvika-bhåva and vyabhicårî-bhåva, induced through the medium of sravana, kirtana, and so on, it is called bhakti-rasa. In other words, when the sthåyibhåva or krsna-rati mixes with vibhåva, anubhåva, såttvika-bhåva and vyabhicårîbhåva and becomes fit to be tasted in the heart of the devotee, it is called bhakti-rasa. Components of Bhakti rasa Vibhava - Ålambana (that in which rati is tasted) - Uddîpana (that which stimulates rati) Ålambana (that in which rati is tasted) - Vishaya alambana (the object of rati—Krsna) - Åsraya alambana (the reservoir of rati—the devotee) In giving the definition of bhakti in the beginning of His book Sri Bhakti rasamrita sindhu bindu Srila Visvantha Cakravarti Thakura explains Krsna anu silanam points out that bhakti Is to be directed Exclusively toward Sri Krsna Wherever bhakti is mentioned In bhakti sastra. It refers to bhagavat bhakti, bhakti to the Lord and His expansions in the category Visnu tattva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 the real rasa is between Radha's extensions and the gopas, Sri Bhakti rasamrita sindhu bindu Overview of bhakti rasa Sri Bindu-vikåsini-vritti When <font color="blue"> krsna-rati</font color> , or in other words, the sthåyibhåva (the permanent emotion of the heart in one of the five primary relationships of sånta, dåsya, sakhya, and so on) becomes exceedingly tasty for the devotee by virtue of the elements known as vibhåva, anubhåva, såttvika-bhåva and vyabhicårî-bhåva, induced through the medium of sravana, kirtana, and so on, it is called bhakti-rasa. In other words, when the sthåyibhåva or krsna-rati mixes with vibhåva, anubhåva, såttvika-bhåva and vyabhicårîbhåva and becomes fit to be tasted in the heart of the devotee, it is called bhakti-rasa. Components of bhakti rasa Vibhava - Ålambana (that in which rati is tasted) - Uddîpana (that which stimulates rati) Alambana (that in which rati is tasted) - Visaya alambana ( <font color="blue"> the object of rati—Krsna</font color> ) - Asraya alambana (the reservoir of rati—the devotee) In giving the definition of bhakti in the beginning of His book Sri Bhakti rasamrita sindhu bindu Srila Visvantha Cakravarti Thakura explains <font color="red"> Krsna anu silanam </font color> points out that bhakti Is to be directed <font color="blue"> Exclusively toward Sri Krsna</font color> Wherever bhakti is mentioned In bhakti sastra. It refers to <font color="blue"> bhagavat bhakti</font color> , bhakti to the Lord and His expansions <font color="red"> in the category Visnu tattva</font color> (saktiman not sakti) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 what is your understanding of madhurya rasa based on ? clearly it is based on the literal definition given to us in the shastra, unfortunately for you and those who are like you (i.e. those who haven't realized the first basic understanding of the single nature of Radha ,Krishna and the gopis) you ignore the warnings of the acharyas and consider yourselves authorities on a subject you have zero realization of, and instead of heeding the words of the acharyas telling us that the true nature of Madhurya lila is hidden from casual view, not available to the dilletant who perouses the shastra on madhurya lila considering himself an expert by such reading, not understanding or considering the counsel of the true guru who warns that such reading will not reveal the true nature of the rasa lila, and only give one an external understanding, possibly leading to considering those pastimes to be like mundane activities which they appear like, due to the nature of boy-girl interactions, but the hidden truth reveals another reality, the one i have been speaking of, your view and those like yours is what is apparentely the reality of madhurya lila, but not the actual, you take the external and accept that, ignorant of the reality due to a poor fund of knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 10, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 The highest reality of the spiritual world kanaka jalada gatrau nila shonabja netrau mrigamada vara bhalau malati kunda malau tarala taruna veshau nila pitambareshau smara nibrita nikunje Radhika krsnacandrau O mind exclusively meditate on <font color="blue"> Srimati Radhika and Krsnacandra </font color> Her bodily complexión is like gold and His like a fresh monsoon cloud; Her eyes are like blue lotus flower and His like red lotuses. Their forheads are decorated with musk tilaka. She wears a garland of malati flower and He of kunda flowers; and They are wonderfully decorated in a charming and youthful fashion. She wearing a blue dress and He a yellow garment, <font color="red"> as they enjoy in the solitary nikunjas of Vraja </font color> . <font color="blue"> Sri Nikunja Rahasya</font color> Stava 16 Rupa Gosvami These is the heart of Srila Rupa Gosvami. Where do the gopas and gopis have rasa dance or any other amorous pastimes together? The pryanarma sakha Subhala once was sent by Krsna to Yavat because Radha could not come out of the house being under the controlling of Jotila (the mother in law of Radha) and as Subala came there, he was asked by Jotila, Hey Subal what are you looking for? Oh, I am looking for one of my calves. And as Jotila was doing her work, he entered the house and saw Srimati Radhika. Subala said that Krsna is waiting for Her, and as Subal is looking very much like Srimati Radhika, they changed the clothes. Srimati Radhika took a small calf in Her arms, and as she was to live the house, Kutila asked Her, Hey Subala have you found your calf?! And Srimati Radhika answered in Subala s same voice Yes, yes, and she left. And she went to Krsna. As she came there, Krsna didn t recognize Her… STOP We are not qualified to read these wonderful pastimes, of <font color="red"> the highest reality </font color> (not illusion) who can taste their sweetness, and who has the greed to serve our Svamini in Her amorous pastimes with the <font color="red"> enchanter of all the worlds</font color> . He is <font color="blue"> so enchanting </font color> that he Himself wanted to taste His sweetness, and took the form of Sri Caitanya who is most in-loved only of Krsna. Who is most in-loved with Krsna? <font color="red"> Srimati Radhika! Jaya!</font color> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 i disgree, you are qualified to read, but you are definitely not qualified to comment on them. you cannot distinguish the words from the meaning, clearly you need to go back to square one, then after you have realized your basic mistake, thinking that god is many different persons, and then awaken to the proper understanding, that God is one person displaying various attributes, then and only then ,will you be able to appreciate the more intimate descriptions. otherwise you will continue in your polytheistic conceptions , seeing Radha as somthing she is not, not understanding what is in reality service to Radha, and thinking that she is only interested in serving Krishna, not seeing that in fact she IS Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Bhagavan is one not many. This is a Christian statement which goes against the idol worship. And for most of the nowadays Christians this one God is like an impersonal power that has all opulence and so on. We also find in the sastra the statement that bhagavan wanted to become many. Why? Because He wanted to enjoy pastimes (lilas). The many forms of Bhagavan (Krsna, Rama, Narayana, Vishnu…) <font color="blue"> are not illusory</font color> , they are real, in all the realms of the spiritual world, and when they come in the material world, they remain the same reality being not touched by illusion. These forms of bhagavan are <font color="red"> totally independent from each other</font color> , and are <font color="blue"> embodiments of different moods,</font color> and although are the same person bhagavan they <font color="blue"> have even less qualities than the original form Vraja Krsna</font color> . So God is not only one, but also many. Maha Vishnu, which is bhagavan and has the “unpleasant” job of being the maintainer of the material worlds, wanted to see bhagavan, the all attractive Sri Krsna as He appeared in the material realm, and Visnu stole the boys of a brahmana to make Krsna to come to Him, and so to have the oppotunity to MEET Krsna. Why? Because Vishnu is different from Krsna, <font color="blue"> although in tattva, philosophical principle, they are one.</font color> But the <font color="red"> Supreme! </font color> Personality of God Is Vraja Krsna who has in Himself the moods (and qualities) <font color="blue"> of all other forms of God</font color> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 OH MY GOD ! you need to do some serious re thinking, all of the expansions of godhead are non different,all one and the same person, they are not different people, you are not understanding the basic reality of Krishna consciousness. they are all one person,with different roles,functions etc, not many persons in one. here is A.C. Bhaktivedanta lord Brahma is praising Krishna after realizing his foolishness, from the Srimad Bhagavatam,synopsis, " Krsna the supreme personality of godhead." "Persons who are unaware of Your inconceivable energy cannot understand that You alone expand Yourself as the creator Brahma, maintainer Visnu, and annihilator Siva. Persons who are not in awareness of things as they are contemplate that I, Brahma, am the creator, Visnu is the maintainer, and Lord Siva is the annihilator. Actually, You are alone everything--creator, maintainer, and annihilator. Similarly, You expand Yourself in different incarnations; among the demigods You incarnate as Vamanadeva, among the great sages You incarnate as Parasurama, among the human beings You appear as Yourself, as Lord Krsna, or Lord Rama, among the animals You appear as the boar incarnation, and among the aquatics You appear as the incarnation of fish. And yet You have no appearance; You are always eternal. Your appearance and disappearance are made possible by Your inconceivable energy just to give protection to the faithful devotees and to annihilate the demons. O my Lord, O all-pervading Supreme Personality of Godhead, O Supersoul, controller of all mystic powers, no one can appreciate Your transcendental pastimes as they are exhibited within these three worlds. No one can estimate how You have expanded Your yogamaya and Your incarnation and how You act by Your transcendental energy. My dear Lord, this whole cosmic manifestation is just like a flashing dream, and its temporary existence simply disturbs the mind. As a result, we are full of anxiety in this existence; to live within this material world means simply to suffer and to be full of all miseries. And yet this temporary existence of the material world appears to be pleasing and dear on account of its having evolved from Your body, which is eternal and full of bliss and knowledge. "If one therefore thinks that the Supersoul is something different from Your personality and thus searches out the Supersoul somewhere else, in the forest or in the caves of the Himalayas, his condition is very lamentable. ------------------------ "Lord Nityananda is not different from Lord Krsna. Lord Nityananda is Lord Krsna's associate, friend, couch, ornaments, and kinsmen." (C.Bhag. Madhya 12.27) "By Lord Nityananda's mercy one attains devotion to Lord Visnu (Krsna). Please know that Lord Nityananda has all the power of Lord Krsna." (C.Bhag. Madhya 12.26) "As already explained, Krsna and Radha are one in two. They are identical. Krsna expands Himself in multi-incarnations and plenary portions like the purusas. Similarly, Srimati Radharani expands Herself in multi-forms as the goddesses of fortune, the queens and the damsels of Vraja. Such expansions from Srimati Radharani are all Her plenary portions. All these womanly forms of Krsna are expansions corresponding to His plenary expansions of Visnu forms. These expansions have been compared to reflected forms of the original form. There is no difference between the original and reflected forms. The female reflections of Krsna's pleasure potency are as good as Krsna Himself." A.C. Bhaktivedanta-Caitanya Caritamrta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2003 jayati jana nivaso devaki janma vado yadu vara parisad svaih dorbhir asyann adharmam sthira cara vriji ghanah susmita sri mukhena vraja pura vanitanam vardhayan kamadavam There are doubts concerning His being born fróm the womb of Devaki. All glories to that Yasoda nandana who resides within the hearts fo all! His assembly is decorated with the presence of the exalted Yadavas and He destroy irreligion with His own might and the help of His devotees. Despite the controversy concerning His birth, the chantig of His name removes inauspiciousness from all living entities both moving and stationary. All glories to <font color="red"> Vrajendra nandana Sri Krsna</font color> , whose softly smiling lotus face <font color="red"> always enhances </font color> the transcendetal lust of <font color="red"> the vraja gopis</font color> . what is your understanding of madhurya rasa based on ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Sri Krsna pranama (1) namo nalina netraya venu vadya vinodine radhadhara sudha pana saline vana maline I offer pranama unto He whose eyes are like lotus flowers, who merrily plays the flute, <font color="blue"> who is expert in drinking the nectar of Radhika's lips</font color> , and who is adorned with a garland of forest flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 ***who is expert in drinking the nectar of Radhika's lips Oooo it is prema, /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif pure love for Godhed. Big love for Godhed, pure nectar. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif They drinking pure nectar. This way they devotional servis is spoils. Greediness indicates not to have anything. If in you are everything that you you do want, the fact that you can still acquire? Present greediness indicates - "I have nothing therefore I can obtain so much." " that it did not obtain, I think - this so a little." But it means stupidity - "I have everything". Only fools can think - "I have everything". I am obtain big big love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 ***All glories to Vrajendra nandana Sri Krsna , whose softly smiling lotus face always enhances the transcendetal lust of the vraja gopis . Oooo...if gopis so high then you stay gopi? if gopis so high then I am wont be wery wery high. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif They may be santa rasa vaikuntha. Santa rasa? /images/graemlins/frown.gif Nooo! I am high! I am high gopi and Krisna in me controls. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif I am high, me religion high, you low, you fool, me guru so high, your guru so low - tama guna. perfect tama guna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 From Brihad-Bhagavat-amrita 142. Some sing songs of glorification that please His ears and heart, some play musical instruments, and some joke with Him. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that the word "sankirtana" here indicates that the gopis were chanting Krsna's names. 143. Thus served by all the gopis, who were melting with feelings of great friendship, Krsna gave the chewed betelnuts they intensely desired, although each could not see the others receiving them. 144. With these activities pleasing His beloveds, and delighted by Sri Radhika's words of love, Krsna, the crest jewel in the assembly of the most intelligent, at once began <font color="blue"> His pastimes of sleep</font color> . 145. Receiving a hint from Him, all of them drowning in a flood of happiness, went to their own homes. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that Krsna's hint was the dancing of His eyebrows. 146. Then Sridama carefully took me to his own home. What other pastimes Krsna enjoyed that night I cannot say. 147. With great difficulty I passed the night and in the morning I went to Nanda's home. I saw Krsna on the bed, sleeping and <font color="blue"> bearing the marks of amorous pastimes</font color> . 148. Going to His side and showing Her affection for Him in many ways, His honest mother spoke some words to herself. 149. Ah, exhausted from having spent all day protecting the cows in the forest, and finding the happiness of sleep, even now my boy does not wake up. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that Mother Yasoda does not suspect that <font color="blue"> Krsna has spent the entire night enjoying the rasa-dance pastime</font color> . 150. Terrible thorns in the forest made these wounds everywhere on all His limbs when again and again He ran here and there. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that <font color="blue"> these wounds were made by the gopis' fingernails</font color> . 151. Alas! The black kajjala from His eyes has anointed all His limbs. He is so overcome with sleep that He does not even know. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that <font color="blue"> these marks of black kajjala were left by the gopis</font color> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 ***Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that Mother Yasoda does not suspect that Krsna has spent the entire night enjoying the rasa-dance pastime . Spiritual life have many aspects. And go for many aspects person rise it top, Lord Caitanya write this matter. They understanding some unripe Krisna lila, not more. They do not follow SBST and not take was obtained further matter. SBST he knew that SP it will extend motion and GM had to so help. But they simply subdivided GM and thus they remained in the the unripe sambhoga Krisna lila. SP acarya but they cannot this understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 From Brihad-Bhagavat-amrita . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that <font color="blue"> Mother Yasoda does not suspect that Krsna has spent the entire night enjoying the rasa-dance pastime</font color> . 150. Terrible thorns in the forest made these wounds everywhere on all His limbs when again and again He ran here and there. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that these wounds were made by the gopis' fingernails. 151. Alas! The black kajjala from His eyes has anointed all His limbs. He is so overcome with sleep that He does not even know. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that these marks of black kajjala were left by the gopis. 152. He does not even know that He is marked here and there with strains of red betelnuts from His lips. He must have broken His necklaces, garlands, and other ornaments as again and again He turned in His sleep. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that the red betelnut stains actually came from the gopis lips and it was the gopis who broke Krsna's necklaces, garlands, and ornaments. Mother Yasoda thinks Krsna broke them as He turned in His sleep. 153. Even bathing did not wash away the kunkuma-coloured Yamuna-bank clay that is now the friend of His body. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that the kunkuma actually came from the gopis' breasts. Mother Yasoda playfully calls the kunkuma the "friend" of Krsna's body because it clings there so tightly. 154. Yesterday at sunset the impatient girls did not bathe Him very carefully and thoroughly. They did not wash away all the dirt. 155. These same things Mother Yasoda spoke again and again before the girls of Vraja when they came, their faces shining with fear, smiles and embarrassment. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that gopis were afraid that Mother Yasoda had learned the truth of their pastimes with Krsna at night, they smiled when they heard her words explaining <font color="blue"> how thoroughly she misunderstood everything </font color> and they were embarrassed to see <font color="red"> the marks they had left on Krsna's body</font color> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 Radha krsna prana mora yugala kisora jivane marane gati aro nahi mora The divine youthful couple (yugala) are my life and soul. In life or death I have no other goal but Them Kalindira kule keli kadambera vana ratana vedira upara vosabo du jana In keli kadamba forests on the banks of Yamuna there is a golden platform studded with jewels. I will seat Yugala Kisora on that throne. Syama gauri ange dibo cuwa cadanera gandha camara dhulabo kabe heriba mukha candra I will decorate black Krsna and golden Radhika with sandal paste scented with cuwa. I will fan them with camara and behold Their moonlike faces. Gathiya malatira mala dibo dohara gale adhare tuliya diba karpura tambule I will place garlands of malati flowers around their necks and then offer tambul (betel) flavoured with camphor in Their lotus mouths. Lalita visaka adi jata sakhi vrinda ajnaya koribo seva caranaravinda Receiving the order of Lalita , Visaka and the other sakhis, I will serve Their lotus feet. Sri krsna caitanya prabhura dasera anudasa seva abhilasa kore narotama dasa Narotama dasa, servant of the servant of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, prays for the seva of the divine couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 by Srila Rupa Gosvami and commentaries from Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura Sri bindhu vikasini vriti In Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu (3.5.1), madhura-bhakti-rasa is described as follows: atmocitair vibhava adyaih pustim nita satam hridi madhura akhyo bhaved bhakti raso sau madhura ratih When madhura-rati nourished in the hearts of pure devo- tees (whose hearts have been touched by kanta-rati in relation- ship to Sri Krsna) by combination with its corresponding ele- ments of vibhava and so on, it is called madhura-bhakti-rasa. Vibhava Visaya alambana (the object of love) Sri Krsna who is an ocean of the qualities of rupa-madhurya (uniquely sweet form), venu-madhurya (uniquely sweet flute), lila-madhurya (uniquely sweet pastimes), and prema-madhurya(uniquely sweet prema of His devotees) is the visaya alambana of madhura-rasa. Asraya alambana (the container of love) The preyasi-vrinda or gopa-ramanis are the visraya alambana of this rasa. Of all the preyasis, Srimati Radhika is the best. Uddipana (stimuli) The sound of Krsna's flute ( murali), the season of spring ( vasanta), the call of the cuckoo, seeing a peacock's neck are the main uddipanas of this rasa. Anubhva (actions revealing the emotions within the heart) Sidelong glances and mild smiling and laughter are the anu- bhavas of madhura-rasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 The natural sentiment of a person who has acquired prema is rasa. Decision of rasa is only the description of how the various sentiments have been arrived at. Rasa is not a part of sadhana. Therefore if somebody says, "Come, I will teach you rasa" then it will be his wickedness or foolishness. Rasa is not the subject of knowledge but of taste. . .. Without taste rasa cannot play its part....In fact, those who are entitled to rasa are very rare. So rasa is to be kept in secret." (Sri Caitanya Sikshamrita, pp 221-2, 229) In his purport in Sri Caitanya Caritamrta, Madhya 13.27 Srila Prabhupad wrote: "We cannot understand the affairs of the spiritual world on the basis of our experience in the material world. The Lord's pastimes with the gopis are therefore misunderstood by mundane scholars and word-wranglers. The parakiya-rasa of the spiritual world should not be discussed except by one who is very advanced in pure devotional service." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Dear jiva "shiva" The pryanarma sakha Subhala once was sent by Krsna to Yavat because Radha could not come out of the house being under the controlling of Jotila (the mother in law of Radha) and as Subala came there, he was asked by Jotila, Hey Subal what are you looking for? Oh, I am looking for one of my calves. And as Jotila was doing her work, he entered the house and saw Srimati Radhika. Subala said that Krsna is waiting for Her, and as Subal is looking very much like Srimati Radhika, they changed the clothes. Srimati Radhika took a small calf in Her arms, and as she was to live the house, Kutila asked Her, Hey Subala have you found your calf?! And Srimati Radhika answered in Subala s same voice Yes, yes, and she left. And she went to Krsna. As she came there, Krsna didn t recognize Her. STOP We are not qualified to read these wonderful pastimes , of the highest reality (not illusion) who can taste their sweetness, and who has the greed to serve our Svamini in Her amorous pastimes with the enchanter of all the worlds . REFUTATION (of shiva) <font color="red"> i disgree, you are qualified to read</font color> , but you are definitely not qualified to comment on them. After I quoted the definition of madhura rasa given by S Rupa Gosvami the same "shiva" person contradicted me again saying that I should grow up (to give that quote) <font color="red"> meaning that I am not qualified to read about rasa.</font color> (as far as there was no comment of mine concerning the definition of rasa) Oh, just because he wants to contradict , thereby contradicting himself. i disgree, you are qualified to read , but you are definitely not qualified to comment on them The mater of fact he acts like an inhibitor, like a break , I am sorry, this is my personal opinion, he acts destructively. Oh, in this connection the name he chose suits him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 In Gaura lila any rasa may rise in level madhurya. Then Gaura lila is topmost. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Uninterrupted speculations and mundane logic which are like poison of that poisonous snake that touched the milk of bhakti the gopis are enjoying madhurya rasa with the gopas "In this rasa" , here he is refering to the gopas. "the vraja-gopis are the asraya in this rasa." So what does that have to do with the gopas? Krishna is a gopa, he is described as the visaya, the object of love, the gopis are containers of love,asraya, that love is directed at the gopas , <font color="red"> which Krishna is one</font color> . Vijaya-kumara: What are the features of Krsna when He is the visaya in madhura rasa? Gosvami: Ah! That is a very pleasing question. Krsna's complexion is the colour of a new rain cloud. He is charming. All His features are sweet and charming. He is the strongest. His youthfulness is always new and fresh. He speaks eloquently and sweetly. He is intelligence, glorious, sober, profound the best ,famous, charming to all women, always new and fresh, the enjoyer of incomparable transcendental pastimes, handsome, the most dear and expert at playing the flute . The supreme male Krsna has many transcendental qualities like these. The glory of all the Kamadevas is at once eclipsed by a mere glimpse of the glory of Krsna's feet. <font color="blue"> Lord Krsna's sidelong glance enchants the hearts of all . </font color> Krsna is the great treasure of transcendental pastimes. <font color="red"> He is the good fortune attained by the gopis</font color> . Vijaya-kumara: Krsna has a great host of wonderful spiritual qualities. Krsna is <font color="red"> the only hero </font color> of the wonderful and spiritual madhura rasa . Now I can fully understand all this . Previously I studied many scriptures. Even though I would sometimes meditate on Lord Krsna, I did not have firm faith in Him. But now, by your mercy a little bit of devotion, devotion that is the root <font color="blue"> of attraction to Krsna </font color> , has risen in my heart. Now that my heart has become purified by devotion, I have attained the direct perception of Lord Krsna. I turned away from Krsna. But still Krsna never left my heart. Ah, how merciful He is! Now I can understand these words (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 2.5.131-132): " Non devotees cannot understand the transcendental mellows experienced between the devotee and the Lord. In all respects, this is very difficult, but one who has dedicated everything to the lotus feet of Krsna can taste the transcendental mellows.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Uninterrupted speculations and mundane logic which are like poison of that poisonous snake that touched the milk of bhakti In reply to: -- the gopis are enjoying madhurya rasa with the gopas "In this rasa" , here he is refering to the gopas. "the vraja-gopis are the asraya in this rasa." So what does that have to do with the gopas? Krishna is a gopa, he is described as the visaya, the object of love, the gopis are containers of love,asraya, that love is directed at the gopas , which Krishna is one . -- 211. In Goloka there are millions and millions of young, adolescent, and old gopas. Each one thinks: " I, and no one else, am most dear to Krsna". 212. In the course of their daily activities they constantly associate with Krsna. They are all very pure. Each one is like that. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that the words "each one is like that" mean that each one, in truth, is most dear to Krsna. 213. None of them is ever satisfied. The many varieties of the thirst of their love for Krsna, which is the mother of humbleness, always increase. 214. Krsna's great kindness, love, and attachment are seen to be always placed in each of the millions and millions of gopis. 215. For these reasons and for hundreds of other reasons people like myself can understand that no one in any place is more dear to Krsna than they. 216. When Krsna's special love for a certain gopi is seen, then it is understood that she is the most dear to Him . 217. Although each gopi is most dear to the Lord, and although they all experience the many blisses of enjoying pastimes with Him, the gopis do not think the Lord loves them. 218. Each gopi thinks: "When will I be fortunate to be the least of Krsna's maidservants? ' 219. O Lord, even the great souls cannot understand the great wonder of their deep love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anadi Posted April 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Uninterrupted speculations and mundane logic which are like poison of that poisonous snake that touched the milk of bhakti In reply to: -- the gopis are enjoying madhurya rasa with the gopas "In this rasa" , here he is refering to the gopas. "the vraja-gopis are the asraya in this rasa." So what does that have to do with the gopas? Krishna is a gopa, he is described as the visaya, the object of love, the gopis are containers of love,asraya, that love is directed at the gopas , which Krishna is one . -- 220. One day, as He was enjoying pastimes by the Yamuna's shore, Krsna, the son of Nanda, heard that Kaliya had again come to his lake. 221. At once going there alone and climbing a kadamba tree, He dove into the lake, making the waters very turbulent. 222. Playing in the water by wonderfully swimming back and forth, and making many loud sounds, Krsna approached the demon, who at once wrapped his coils about the Lord. Playful Krsna then showed something. 223. Not seeing Krsna, who had left their company, the gopa friends became as if they had died. Tormented by the desire to find Him, they saw His footprints, and followed them to the lake. 224. When they saw Krsna could not move, His friends fainted. When they could not see Him at all because He was covered by the waters, they no longer wished to live. 225. Standing by the shore, the cows, bulls, calves, and other domestic animals from the village, as well as the wild animals from the forest, all cried, fixing their eyes on Krsna's face and screaming in agony. 226. Crying pitifully, the birds flew over the lake and dived into the waters. The trees and other plants became dry and withered. May great calamities happened. 227. Sent by the Lord, an old man ran to Vraja village. Crying, and terribly calling out "Alas! Alas!", he described what had happened. 228. Seeing many fearful calamities, the people of Vraja left their homes and hurried to find Krsna. 229. The old man's broken words were like a thunderbolt falling on them. 230-1. In His home Balarama called out "It's a lie! A lie!" consoling the people of Vraja, who had become like running corpses. He carefully convinced Mother Rohini to stay at home, and then He also ran with the others. . Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that Balarama knew how powerful His younger brother was. Balarama gave Mother Rohini the task of cooking Krsna's meal, and in this way He kept her at home. 232. He quickly came to the lake. Seeing His younger brother in that state, He could not remain peaceful, but He cried in the agony of love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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