Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 ***but for Sri Krsna to enjoy in the position of Srimati Radharani was impossible because that position was completely foreign to Him . It is wrong. You take vrong teachings. You do not understand matter. They preach wrong Krisna lila, and no undrstand Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya (sa Radha) worship KRISNA. He NOT worship Radha. He is mood Radha - He is thinks abhout Krisna. Krisna thinks abhout Radha, sometime /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif. You like Krisna - " o me belowed Radha" /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif "O maya". You write all for position Krisna lila. I am take you SASTRA, i am not take you speculations. It is apa, but they not understand this. They in "best, true parampara madhurya rasa." Follow for wrong teachings and stay in apa sampradaya. Only names - " Radha, Rupa Gosvami, Rupanuga, prema." It is not rupanuga. Read books Prabhupada, not follow this speculations. Search madhyama siksa guru. You have diksa it is nice. Then search best madhiama adhikari. Madhyama do not follow patistha, followers, and cheap "rasa". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 How can krishna not care about every one? He is krishna, you have got to be kidding when you say because Radha is an expansion of krishna, he cares more for her... I always thought Krishna cares for Radha because she has so much love that she attracts krishna more than the other gopis. No where in bhagavatham does it say "Radha is a Goddess". And if she is a goddess then it turns the whole fact of "supreme personality of the godhead" into a false notion. You see, thats what I think is the truth, please if i am wrong correct me, because the Madhurya rasa seems to be a very attractive rasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 this is from Bhaktivinode Thakur "In the form of the narrative of the Bhagavatam, the Transcendental Vraja Lila manifests its descent to the plane of our mundane vision in the symbolic shapes resembling those of the corresponding mundane events. If we are disposed, for any reason, to underestimate the transcendental symbolism of the narrative of the Bhagavatam we are unable to avoid unfavorable and hasty conclusions regarding the nature of the highest, the most perfect and the most charming form of the loving service of the Divinity to which all other forms of his service are as the avenues of approach. "Goloka-Vrindavana is realizable in the symbolic Vrindavana that is open to our view in this world by all persons whose Love has been perfected by the mercy of the inhabitants of Transcendental Vraja, and not other-wise. The grossest misunderstanding of the subject of the Vraja Lila of Sri Krishna is inevitable if these considerations are not kept in view. All persons, under the sinister influence of the deluding power of Nescience, are subject to such misunderstanding in one form or another. They are fated to see nothing but a mundane tract of country in the terrestrial (Bhauma) Vrindavana and the practice of the grossest forms of debauchery in the Vraja Pastimes of Sri Krishna. " ------------------------- the problem here is trying to understand something that is written in symbolic language, literally. It will produce confusion and misunderstanding. first you need to understand the nature of Radha Krishna, then their lila becomes understandable, without first understanding the nature of god, attempting to understand what God does for fun by reading words written in code and symbolism will be misconstrued. Radha and Krishna are not two seperate people, They are one and the same person, in two forms. this is from A.C. Bhaktivedanta “Radha and Krishna are one, and when Krishna desires to enjoy pleasure, He manifests Himself as Radharani. The spiritual exchange of love between Radha and Krishna is the actual display of the internal pleasure potency of Krishna.” "We cannot understand the affairs of the spiritual world on the basis of our experience in the material world. The Lord's pastimes with the gopis are therefore misunderstood by mundane scholars and word-wranglers. The parakiya-rasa of the spiritual world should not be discussed except by one who is very advanced in pure devotional service." "Sri Radha is the full energy, and Lord Krsna is the possessor of full power. The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed scriptures. They are indeed the same, just as musk and its scent are inseparable, or as fire and its heat are nondifferent. Thus Radha and Lord Krsna are one, yet They have taken two forms to enjoy the mellows of pastimes." (Caitanya-Caritamrta Adi 4.96-98) "As already explained, Krsna and Radha are one in two. They are identical. Krsna expands Himself in multi-incarnations and plenary portions like the purusas. Similarly, Srimati Radharani expands Herself in multi-forms as the goddesses of fortune, the queens and the damsels of Vraja. Such expansions from Srimati Radharani are all Her plenary portions. All these womanly forms of Krsna are expansions corresponding to His plenary expansions of Visnu forms. These expansions have been compared to reflected forms of the original form. There is no difference between the original and reflected forms. The female reflections of Krsna's pleasure potency are as good as Krsna Himself."---------------------------- so, these things have to betaken into account, the symbolic language used in the descriptions of the interactions of Vraja lila, and the eternal nature of Radha and Krishna. Without fully understanding these things,FIRST, all furthur attempts to understand their lila will be useless and detrimental . Without understanding that God is a single person displaying various personas,NOT many persons in One, as the sahajiyas think, then rasa and lila will be misconstrued . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Posted May 2, 2003 Report Share Posted May 2, 2003 SO you are saying that radha is not a seperate entity from krishna and the rest are not seperate from krishhna either? That makes sense... i guess. Then that would mean that the whole vraja lila is just a notion... a notion created by the illusory effect of krishna. then that would mean that we are part of such a play because we are also not apart from krishna... Then wouldn't that just make the whole notion of "trying to go to vraja a hoax due to the fact that vraja is there as it was and we are also taking part but the material world does not let us see what truly is? If i am wrong now then please tell me that.. and if you think that my heart is eligible to hear about such a sweetest way of looking at krishna please do so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2003 Report Share Posted May 2, 2003 no, vraja lila is not a hoax. the participants who are jivas do not know the inner reality, they think that they are on earth, not in heaven. It is real, the various swamsa or visnu expansions like Radha, Krishna and the gopis are all one and the same person, they engage in vraja lila for fun. the others who are not them do not know that fact, they think Radha and Krishna are boyfriend and girlfriend, not the supreme lords. this is done for intimacy and fun, if they knew who they were then the experience would be tainted by that , they would be in to much awe and reverence. this is not desired by God, god desires what we all do, intimate freinds and lovers, without worship or awe, family life, closeness out of love, not out of awe and reverence due to being knowledgeable of Gods awe inspiring infinite ability and power, opulence and mind blowing reality. that is only available to god when those who are living in closeness do not know that god is in fact god. that is vraja lila, god at play with the most intimate associates, if they knew the truth of their situation the intimate closeness would be spoiled for god, they would see Her and Him as being above them, and be unable to treat them as EQUALS, which is what god desires. so, what appears on earth when Krishna has pastimes is only a glimpse,given in symbolic terms to attract the conditioned souls to Bhakti yoga, the real thing is only represented here in symbolic terms, in fact the highest reality is much more, and will be realized as the devotee's progress , not that it is a hoax, it is just not understandable in truth without proper education and realization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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