AC Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada works are divine!

[Kishalaya]

Those who try to unjustly criticise AC Bhaktivedanta Swami

Prabhupada's works as not complying to Gaudiya philosophy

and engage in nitpicking should read the following verse

of Bhagavatam. It is a great offence to mimimize the work

of a mahaa-bhaagavat who has put his bhagavad-bhaava in

every word that he wrote.

 

SB 1.5.11

 

tad-väg-visargo janatägha-viplavo

yasmin prati-çlokam abaddhavaty api

nämäny anantasya yaço ’ìkitäni yat

çåëvanti gäyanti gåëanti sädhavaù

 

TRANSLATION

On the other hand, that literature which is full of descriptions of the transcendental glories of the name, fame, forms, pastimes, etc., of the unlimited Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed toward bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of this world’s misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.

 

-Kishalaya

[Kishalaya]

To add the reason why I posted the above is that I am going

through a "raganuga" bhakta's web site which is decrying

Prabhupada and BhaktiSiddhanta. Of course the fellow is

intelligent that he has already replied to the above

objection.

 

However what he says is that the imperfections amount to

siddhanta and not just grammatical - in the works of

Bhaktivedanta. He just forgot that the siddhanta needed for

glorification of the Lord is present in a five year old

also. Of course the fellow does not even spare Prabhupada

faults of prosody

 

It is because of these so called raganuga bhaktas who

considered Prabhupada "a good old fellow who did some good

work by builing some temples" that I shoved Krishna

consciousness under the carpet. Of course, my fault also.

It is only after so long a time, it was only Prabhupada

vaani that made my heart beat for Krishna.

 

Yours with due respect,

Kishalaya

[Guest guest]

My dear vaisnava,

 

JAI!! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

 

I agree! It doesn't matter what is going on in my life. Whether I'm stressing over something stupid or not; as I read Srila Prabhupada's purports there is always at least a sentence that directly relates to my situation. I am always inspired by his writting despite the gramatical errors (which I rarely notice anyway).

 

Every sentence Srila Prabhupada wrote and spoke forces one to think of Lord Krsna. He is full of Bhakti and has carried on Lord Caitanya's mission perfectly!!

 

YS,

Narayani d.d.

[Narayanidd]

Just realized I forgot so sign in:)

[livingentity]

there in Srila Prabhupada's purports! It is so true - everytime I have a question or I am confused (always!) - I pick up one of Srila Prabhupada's books and there it is!

 

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

[Kishalaya]

Jaya Jaya Nityaananda Jaya Jaya Gaurachandra

 

I have to add a few more things here. For those who have

been associated with Prabhupada's writings in any way,

let me ask them -- who introduced Krishna to us? No

doubt all of us had heard about Krishna, Vrindaavan,

Mahaabhaarat etc. from various sources earlier, but how

many of us were moved? Let us now be very truthful with

ourselves.

 

The least one can to do is to try to recognise his

greatness. Instead some of us in our pursuit of babaji

bhajan try to marginalize his position as "I thank him

for what I learned from him!" Thank? Just thank and

go on to spew nonsense like paramparaa integrity and so on

even to the point of saying "sruti smriti puraanaadi

pancharaata vidhim vinaa aikaantiki harer bhakti

utpaataaiva kalpate". Man this fellow has gone nuts.

 

Babaji bhajan is good. When one has found a way, it is very

good, but what is the need to demean the one who brought

Krishna to you, just to justify one's own position.

 

Further, there is comparison of Prabhupada with Hitler as

the reason is given is that amassing a following is no

big deal. The fellow I gather never tried to collect a

following, so it was very easy for him to say such a thing

is easy. How Hitler would have fared had he tried to

further Gauraanga Mahaaprabhu's agenda, that even a child

can say. Having a following is no great thing, but having

a following for the most secret of the secret knowledge

is another. Where Hitler's goal can be easily envisoned in

the follower's mind, Gauraanga's goal is uncovered in the

heart only with divine potency (yoga maayaa samaavrtaah).

 

The shaastra gives the characteristics of a bhaagavat who

has attained bhaava bhakti. One of them being he never

wastes time. Prabhupada did not even sleep properly in

the night only to complete his translations and purports.

Without consulting shaastra how can one dismiss someone as

a bhaagavat or not. It is easy for an intelligent person to

act like a fool, but it is impossible for a fool to

act like an intelligent person.

 

There is great danger falling in bhakti like this. History

is full of people who have taken more than one Guru and

many a times it is definitely needed, however anybody who

says demeaning things for Prabhupada is to be immediately

rejected as rascal -- bogus. To accept such persons as Guru

is to get a free ticket in the express train to hell. Here

people are trying to be a blade of grass to be stepped on

by Prabhupada, why because he used all his strength to pull

us out of naraka, and give the highest goal of life. And

imagine how Krishna will feel when He hears such things

about Prabhupada. I bet He will personally take pleasure in

kicking such persons out with His left foot.

 

Your servant,

Kishalaya

[Kishalaya]

This fellow is a sociologist and IMHO, the effort he has

taken to minutely examine the history and sociology of

Chaitanya Vaishnavism, if this is his minor effort, then

he would probably be in nitya lilaa by now, if his

raganuga bhajan is the "major" effort /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

However I think I was too harsh on him and had formed

opinion in the earlier posts by going only through 1/10th

of the material he has placed on his web site. In any case,

I still do not agree with his over emphasis on the single

spot on the otherwise white cloth. /images/graemlins/frown.gif Where does he find

all that time for these things along with adjusting Hari

Katha, Raganuga Bhajan, Siddha Pranali etc. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

-Kishalaya

[Guest guest]

We should never forget and will always be indebted.

[theist]

Even 1/10th of that person's web site was too much for me as I happened upon by misfortune some years back. I feel fairly certain we are speaking of the same entity.

 

I don't want to enter the same building as anyone who expresses some animosity towards His Divine Grace.

 

I myself have so much enviousness towards Krsna and His devotees. That I acknowledge as a character flaw of mine that must be overcome. The absorbtion of poisonous thoughts and feelings from such a person surely will not help me accomplish my higher attainment.

 

A college degree can be useful in Krsna's service, no doubt, but when such "scholars" use that degree to propulgate offense to a maha-bhagavat then that degree should be seen as a jewel on the head of a venomous snake.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure which website you are referring, to but I think I can guess.

 

We had some discussion with some of these babaji fellows late last year. Their criticisms of A.C. Bhaktivedanta are not very well thought out and seem to betray their own lack of scriptural understanding. These criticisms include (1) that the Bhaktivedanta parampara is not bona fide because of lack of formal diksha in some cases, (2) that varnaashrama is foreign to Gaudiiya tradition and thus makes Bhaktivedanta Swami an "innovator" who departed from the "orthodox" party line, (3) that wearing of saffron and other traditions associated with sannyaasa was also not acceptable for Rupanugas, and (4) because of these and other points, Bhaktivedanta Swami's Gaudiiya Vaishnava tradition was not "orthodox," unlike the babajis in India who just sit and do bhajan, who supposedly are "orthodox."

 

It was pointed out to these individuals that even in the Krishna-Brahmaa-Naarada-Vyaasa paramparaa there was an absence of formal diksha, as well as in the Krishna-Arjuna connection along with the Vivasvaan-Manu-Ikshvaaku paramparaa. Their response? Those examples don't count, because apparently the Gaudiiya concept of paramparaa supersedes any existing scriptural concept of paramparaa.

 

It was also pointed out based on references to Puranic evidence that varnaashrama dharma was the means by which ordinary people worship Krishna. Their response? Those scriptures don't matter because the Gosvamis have set the proper standard.

 

It was pointed out based on Narada's example in Srimad Bhagavatam that an aachaarya could temporarily adjust certain regulations for the greater purpose. Their response? They had none. But they insisted that Hari-bhakti Vilas be followed in all respects and regardless of circumstance or else one is not an "orthodox" Gaudiiya Vaishnava.

 

It was pointed out that spreading Krishna-consciousness in the way Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu did, was more indicative of orthodoxy than the color of one's cloth or some other external regulations - based on His own instructions to His devotees in Chaitanya-Charitamrita. Their response? Even babajis who sit in one place and do bhajan are still preaching in a sense. Those who do it as Chaitanya did are no better.

 

When it was pointed out that Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu wore saffron and observed varnaashrama dharma, their response was that He doesn't count because the six Gosvamis have set different standards and all of us should follow those.

 

Like this it goes on and on. They just ignore all scriptures and examples which contradict their position. You can't even take such an "orthodox" paramparaa seriously; it's as if they don't even care that they don't follow any core authoritative texts. Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, etc are conveniently thrown in the dustbin when a perceived conflict with Gosvami-granthas is noted. No attempt is made on their part to wonder if perhaps their understanding of the Gosvamis is flawed in the first place.

 

It seems only right that their "orthodox" tradition has pretty much degenerated into irrelevance. The most vocal proponents of it are those who have mostly had bad experiences with ISKCON or Narayana Maharaj. This in and of itself is telling. One wonders if they just want revenge. It's obviously not the truth they want, because you point that out to them and they just ignore it.