Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Are they referring to the gopis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narayanidd Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 My dear spirit soul, 72 virgins in heaven? I am not at all familiar with the reference could you please give more info? thanks, your servant, Narayani d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingentity Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Guest is refering to the muslim idea that if they die as martyrs they will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven. Guest, it is not even remotely related to the gopis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2003 Report Share Posted April 13, 2003 to say it is a muslims idea implies it is just an idea, and could be wrong interpretaton. the fact is that it is the teaching of Koran, the book of Islam. it is the root reason why the musilms invaded india (and else where) for 1000 years and killed and converted the vedic people and destroyed their temples. it is the root reason why pakistan is born and kashmir is infested with muslims and pak is fighting for it. it is the root reason why bamian statue of buddha was destroyed by taliban. it is the root reason for 9/11 and the problems where ever muslims live on this earth. there is a lot more like it in koran and hadith, the books of islam. please take time to know it and share it with others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Posted April 13, 2003 Report Share Posted April 13, 2003 to say it is a muslims idea implies it is just an idea, and could be wrong interpretaton. the fact is that it is the teaching of Koran, the book of Islam. Where is it written in Quran? Which verse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2003 Report Share Posted April 13, 2003 At least now we know what they are doing with all those virgins the Aztecs sacrificed. Coyote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted April 13, 2003 Report Share Posted April 13, 2003 Aztecs? Yeah that makes sense. But what if you want some blondes? Or Fare East Asians? Also I caution to read the fine print. Does it say they will all be gorgeous? They may have been virgins for another reason. They could have died old maids and have seven inch noses. Remember Hiranyakasipu? He thought he had it all worked out too with all the bases covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Look this link: http://www.citizensoldier.org/72virgins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 As I could find from that page, it is mentioned in a hadith and not in Quran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 THe basic differentiation of sex in Islam is that Men are human and women are just things to please men. Its disgusting! The whole system should be changed or should be taken out of existence. Religion should be about precepts that help people live harmoniously! not hurt them! -enlightened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 As I could find from that page, it is mentioned in a hadith and not in Quran. It is in the quran. Find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 It is in the quran. Find it. Thank you. I could not find it in Quran. But, I will go through Quran again to see if I can find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 islamic paradise sounds like one of my friday night-outs, well except for the perpetually "fresh" young boys! Koran 78:31 As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup. Koran 37:40-48 ...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches. Koran 44:51-55 ...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins) Koran 52:17-20 ...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them... Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?" Koran 55:57-58 Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?" Koran 56:7-40 ...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. " Koran 55:70-77 "In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before.. Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34 Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them." Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded. Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness. Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls. Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are...rivers of wine... Koran 37:40-48 But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,...they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them. Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine: Koran 83:23-26 The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 i remember reading in one of hadiths written by one of mohammed's followers that mohammed was once asked what the devil/satan looked like. "prophet" mohammed pointed to one of his black/african slaves and said that the devil looked like him. there seems to be association between black and evil. i was just wondering whether this was significant bearing in mind that muslim women wear black. seems like torture in desert sun. anyway, are women regarded as evil temptations for men? there doesn't seem to be much on offer for women in paradise if they make it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Hi there folks! Apparently, according to an Islamic cleric, everything in Paradise/Heaven is eternal, so this Imam said that Muslims who go there have eternal erections! Methinks the heat has taken its toll on the old brain.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingentity Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 out consist of rooms of virgins on couches??? Where do you live?? /images/graemlins/crazy.gif Fantasy Land!! Fresh young boys??? How come that is never mentioned? /images/graemlins/grin.gif Where is the magical number of 72 virgins? /images/graemlins/confused.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 >>"Fresh young boys??? How come that is never mentioned? "<< Down LE, stay calm. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingentity Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/wink.gif "Fresh young boys??? How come that is never mentioned? " Down LE, stay calm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Notice how there is no conception of God being the only enjoyer. Or we finding our pleasure in serving Him and relating to Him. It's all serve God on Earth so you can enjoy your sensees to the hilt later. Their Paradise conception never gets beyond the material world. I can accept this even. Be a good Muslim. Pray five times a day and maybe you can go spend some time in such a place. Like a really long night at the optimal belly dancing pub. It ain't eternal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 "Methinks the heat has taken its toll on the old brain.... " not only that, but on the followers as well. that barbaric culture has shown complete lack for understanding the truth or telling the truth. you have heard how saddam and his party lied constantly not only to the outsiders, but to insders as well. musarraf is doing the same. for this reason, political talks with them does not work. US, who takes action with them rathern than talking, should not tell india to talk with pak in kashmir matter. nor should india listen india is capable to take action, and india must. so the enemy can happily go to haven to enjoy. jai sri prabhupada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Do any of you guys know what that means in the first place. Just curious...so please tell me what it means if you know. If it means "religion" in Arabic then, I must say it doesn't sound like religion when you read koran... I don't know about this Mohammud character, the guy has some problemas grandes! when it comes to looking at every one with equamnity. However, I like some of the rules that have been set up by "Allah" in koran. One more thing!!!!!!! for a religion that came to exist in 600AD (which is like 1600 years ago) , how many followers are there total and also How many of those followers converted peacefullY? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif can you force the "truth" on to some one? -enlightened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 It says how women are there to please men not only on "earth" but also in allah's abode. Now then, if that is so then the religion is trying to say that "if you have male sexual characteristics on your body then you are a human, if you have female sexual characteristics on your body then you are property". In my view, that is just delusion and sick! Hare krishna people should convert every single one of those arabs who believe in such BS... -commoner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingentity Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 that Islam means submission. That Islam is not a religion but a way of living your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightened Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Submission of what exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingentity Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 I have not read through this site yet but I thought it looked interesting and informative. Guide to Understanding Islam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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