Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Am I Brahman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 brahman is krishna, You are a soul or a small part of brahman. To think of it, Brahman is like the ocean and you are a drop. Krishna or Brahman is the ocean and you are droplet. /images/graemlins/grin.gif But, a droplet cannot think that it is the ocean, because a droplet will always remain a droplet. It is better for the droplet to listen to the ocean, surrender to the ocean and serve the ocean, because then the droplet will be happy. If the droplet starts thinking it is the ocean then we have a problem, because it is in delusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 What if the ocean is in you or me? Is the real question do you believe its possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 If my last name is Brahman and my middle name is Harold do you know what my first name is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 It maybe the first color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Your questions are puzzling , because they are not straight forward, but when you said, can the Ocean exist in the droplet, I took it for, can brahman exist in you, and can worlds exist in worlds and creations exist in creations. /images/graemlins/blush.gif sorry if i have misinterpreted you in a wrong way /images/graemlins/crazy.gif Yes , it is true that we can have worlds in worlds and creations in creations. It is true, that they are not more real than a mirage. And , who is having the mirage? you and me, if you want to say what is the difference, then we can say there is no difference between you and me and we are non different because we are both nothing but the self itself (or parts of it) . However, lets take this into a deeper level. If the "individual" who has forgotten the true nature of the self is being deluded by this world, and the delusion will end when the individual rests.. then what is that resting place? That resting place is krishna. /images/graemlins/grin.gif My parents got books from swamis like Chinmayananda and venkatesananda, but you see, what they are saying is true, but they are only looking at the half truth, not the whole truth... in the words of prabhupada that is. It is true that brahman is everything, but as we see from bhagavath Gita, brahman or krishna is also different from everything. Brahman is you, but you are not brahman. In the same way, You are not krishna and can never be krishna, however, Krishna can always be you , and is still you. What you are is the servant of krishna, it is very hard to know krishna through logical speculation, because logical speculation on Krishna would be like trying to calculate eternity. You can never calculate eternity, so you can never know your beloved krishna through logical speculation. Brahman only shows himself to his devotees only when they show love and devotion to him. The droplet cannot have the view of the entire ocean, but it can serve the ocean through love and devotion. Then the ocean itself will come to the droplet and say, "here , come to me, I love you too". /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 What if Krishna is my daughter or son, and Morerea is my wife or husband? You see to believe in something but then believe that something is not possible is another? Would I be wrong to make such a claim? Then there's something called oneness where do you draw the lines? Everyone wants to be right but who is right and who is wrong? To not beleive that Brahman is here right now could be a mistake. Even Ravana knew better did he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Now I don't know what you are trying to say... Elaboration through simple words would be appreciated . Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Is Hari alive? Is that question simple enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raga Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 If my last name is Brahman and my middle name is Harold do you know what my first name is? Graham? Donald? Knackerton? Anders? Wittgenstein? Pretzel? I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Actually, Hari transcends Living and Death. Hari is everything. He is life and He is death. IF you say , Is hari alive, that would be ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingentity Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Red, green, yellow, purple, orange? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 You see you very words state my point which is he or she is alive. To not asume they not at every level can be a mistake. You see your very words state that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 your getting hotter keep going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 But, just because hari is you, you are not hari. That is where you are mistaken . Take the color---> white for example, My clothing is white, but the color white is not my clothing. Everything is in hari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 How does one kill what can't be killed? Fool them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 And I don't care any more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 So just because you can't see it does it make it not so. Like air I can't see it but I still believe its there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Are you trying to say that brahman exists everywhere? But such a thing is a fact. What I don't understand is what you are saying. Are you saying we are all hari? Because if you are saying we are all hari, you are ofcourse right, but not totally. I found out that through the jnana yoga we can only gain knowledge enough to sustain a certain thought that brahman exists. Just like we realize that sun exists in the sky. But we also need to realize that brahman is not just us. He is more than us. Thus transcending us. We cannot gain Krishna or hari or brahman through meer knowledge, we have to put such a knowledge into practice. When we try to put such knowledge into practice, we call that bhakthi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Yes what I am saying is he or she is one and many. But it all how you see it which makes it so. We are all living masters if we can see it so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Yes we are the total we are everything we see so why not see alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 but, I have to say you are wrong. Sorry, I am a little harsh. But the true living master is Krishna. Not you. If you are Brahman, then you can manipulate anything. If so, do it now. If you can't do it now, you will never do it ever. I am sure you can't do it now, because it is not you who controls , it is krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Will we not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mryabotoetoyou Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 By not knowing the unknow becomes known. Would you wish to learn everything all at once. Or keep learning forever? I will let Hari suprise you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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