srivats Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 --- One of my close friend , i respect every little thing coming out of his mouth . I have been torutured him who was hindu now saying there is absoultely No GOD !.... I could also remember is the one who showed me the way to GITA . His word are soo high because he knows not only B-GITA but Quaran and Bible. But i am still standing against him - I hope i do , I am not able to argue with him on anything .. why should i on the first place ? , Because its like he is shaking my own faith on GOD , i was believing all these days that Krishna can be the only GOD and he doesnot care whether someone calls him Allah or Jeasus but he helps. GOD also helps those who dont even call him. I was believing soo much and started to chant his name for the last three months after coming to this forum and started reading B-GITA , hearing lectures on it , etc... I love Krishna and I like Krishna , But after getting confused due to my Friends argument i am asking to myself is there a GOD ? , and his name is Krishna ? Hinduism also cares and accepts non-followers unlike other religions .. but since because it says one should follow it. No i am not going to debate anymore , because i myself confused now, not just because of talking to my friend but the past three days are horrible !...not only problems but confusions .. who is GOD ? why should i believe him on the first place ? What i am ? What if i do right ? What if i do wrong ? , what is Hell ? and Heaven ? I never asked these questions to myself , because i have fed from the childhood about Rama and Krishna , I never had chance of finding out the what it really means. I am not going to accept what otehrs said , i am not going to chant krishna name since someone asks me to do it and says its good, I am going to find out , realise the goodness of it , I just dont know how to start but i thought lets take sometime off of spirtual thoughts back to the common world and find out from the experience. I think if what i believe and call on the name " Krishna " , will he wont let me know whether he is there and whats the answers to my questions ? I am not able to exaclty tell what position i am in , because i myself dont know , i am totally lost by now. /images/graemlins/confused.gif Its wiered but i am going to take sometime( I hope its only sometime but not permanent ) off .. i have to.. i have been guided by soo many good people in this forum , thanks to Ghari, Shyam , enlightned and everyone who has helped me. Let him show grace or punish me , let him show me he is there atleast. Good bye to All ! Srivats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Not you too srivats... /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingentity Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Srimad Bhagavatam; 1.5.10.. Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there. PURPORT Crows and swans are not birds of the same feather because of their different mental attitudes. The fruitive workers or passionate men are compared to the crows, whereas the all-perfect saintly persons are compared to the swans. The crows take pleasure in a place where garbage is thrown out, just as the passionate fruitive workers take pleasure in wine and woman and places for gross sense pleasure. The swans do not take pleasure in the places where crows are assembled for conferences and meetings. They are instead seen in the atmosphere of natural scenic beauty where there are transparent reservoirs of water nicely decorated with stems of lotus flowers in variegated colors of natural beauty. That is the difference between the two classes of birds. Nature has influenced different species of life with different mentalities, and it is not possible to bring them up into the same rank and file. Similarly, there are different kinds of literature for different types of men of different mentality. Mostly the market literatures which attract men of the crow's categories are literatures containing refused remnants of sensuous topics. They are generally known as mundane talks in relation with the gross body and subtle mind. They are full of subject matter described in decorative language full of mundane similes and metaphorical arrangements. Yet with all that, they do not glorify the Lord. Such poetry and prose, on any subject matter, is considered decoration of a dead body. Spiritually advanced men who are compared to the swans do not take pleasure in such dead literatures, which are sources of pleasure for men who are spiritually dead. These literatures in the modes of passion and ignorance are distributed under different labels, but they can hardly help the spiritual urge of the human being, and thus the swanlike spiritually advanced men have nothing to do with them. Such spiritually advanced men are called also mAnasa because they always keep up the standard of transcendental voluntary service to the Lord on the spiritual plane. This completely forbids fruitive activities for gross bodily sense satisfaction or subtle speculation of the material egoistic mind. Social literary men, scientists, mundane poets, theoretical philosophers and politicians who are completely absorbed in the material advancement of sense pleasure are all dolls of the material energy. They take pleasure in a place where rejected subject matters are thrown. According to SvAmI SrIdhara, this is the pleasure of the prostitute-hunters. But literatures which describe the glories of the Lord are enjoyed by the paramahaMsas who have grasped the essence of human activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 <<One of my close friend , i respect every little thing coming out of his mouth . I have been torutured him who was hindu now saying there is absoultely No GOD !.... I could also remember is the one who showed me the way to GITA . His word are soo high because he knows not only B-GITA but Quaran and Bible. But i am still standing against him - I hope i do , >> this sound like anveshan or SOV on another forum. simply knowledge and the ability to tell about it does not help. he talked about many paths, and walked on none. krishna in gita has said that he strengthens the faith of one who believes in god or a deva or devi. your friend failed to strength your faith in any one path. he just told you all the paths and confused you. mixing all the paths cannot help. hot spagheti tastes good, so does ice cream. but if you mix both and taste it, you may throw up. the situatiuon has caused you to not believe any person or any scripture. the only way left then is the hardest way: to find out the truth your self. truth cannot be found out just by reading about it. it has to be put in practice (an expert guru is a must) to see if it yields the result it supposed to yield. one has to live by it and see the outcome. if the result is good as expected, then the faith/truth is truth. wish you speedy progress. jai sri krishna! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 God helps those who help themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 this is spiritual talk of bhakti? farewell message? is leaving this forum a spiritual discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 People relate to other people. Very natural thing. Do you think spiritual life means just to banter about philosophy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 Srivats, Life without God is hell. But you will learn that. You are sincere and wise. May you learn as quickly as possible; I could not stand for you to be lost. You will learn tamo guna and rajo guna; each charming but quite boring for a man of your character. Then you will come back to Krsna running, stronger than ever. Please be safe. gHari P.S. For your journey you need this very short book: "Siddhartha" by Hermann Hesse. His story sounds so much like Srivats, the son of the Brahmin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I made a small copy of "Siddhartha An Indian Tale" for off-line reading: <a href=http://home.primus.ca/~caitanya/Siddhartha.zip>CLICK HERE</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srivats Posted June 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 I am having confused state , thats true but i never say no to very good human beings like you , i want to continue your relationship , if you can please write to me at srivatsana@hotmail.com i dont want to loose ur frienship. Srivats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srivats Posted June 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 I will surely read that story , i have downloaded it , but it soo silly after speaking soo many things about krishna getg feeling what is he but i want to be honest atleast to myself first . who in the whole world living by basic 4 principles ? we say eating non veg is wrong , i am having leather shoes, my family wears silk dress, wehn we use animals for everything else other than food is it right i am not eating non veg , but i dont consider i am better from whoever eats that. similarly i am trying to find out what hinduism is doing to the soceuity , or its been totally misunderstood. Is it virtual world with all color full things ? why people fight in the name of religion. I may not conclude anything common to all , but atleast i want to get some justification to what i do , what i think and some convictions about the religion i follow , and not in papers but in thoughts. Since i have been going around this web site for quite sometime now , it has become usual to login to this site , as a usual process, now also i logged in just like that. May be its writtern for me to login and take down that story to help me out in something. Srivats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Bhagavad-gita 13.26<blockquote><center>anye tv evam ajAnantaH zrutvAnyebhya upAsate te 'pi cAtitaranty eva mRtyuM zruti-parAyaNAH </center> anye--others; tu--but; evam--thus; ajAnantaH--without spiritual knowledge; zrutvA--by hearing; anyebhyaH--from others; upAsate--begin to worship; te--they; api--also; ca--and; atitaranti--transcend; eva--certainly; mRtyum--the path of death; zruti-parAyaNAH--inclined to the process of hearing. Again there are those who, although not conversant in spiritual knowledge, begin to worship the Supreme Person upon hearing about Him from others. Because of their tendency to hear from authorities, they also transcend the path of birth and death. PURPORT This verse is particularly applicable to modern society because in modern society there is practically no education in spiritual matters. Some of the people may appear to be atheistic or agnostic or philosophical, but actually there is no knowledge of philosophy. As for the common man, if he is a good soul, then there is a chance for advancement by hearing. This hearing process is very important. Lord Caitanya, who preached KRSNa consciousness in the modern world, gave great stress to hearing because if the common man simply hears from authoritative sources he can progress, especially, according to Lord Caitanya, if he hears the transcendental vibration Hare KRSNa, Hare KRSNa, KRSNa KRSNa, Hare Hare/ Hare RAma, Hare RAma, RAma RAma, Hare Hare. It is stated, therefore, that all men should take advantage of hearing from realized souls and gradually become able to understand everything. The worship of the Supreme Lord will then undoubtedly take place. Lord Caitanya has said that in this age no one needs to change his position, but one should give up the endeavor to understand the Absolute Truth by speculative reasoning. One should learn to become the servant of those who are in knowledge of the Supreme Lord. If one is fortunate enough to take shelter of a pure devotee, hear from him about self-realization and follow in his footsteps, one will be gradually elevated to the position of a pure devotee. In this verse particularly, the process of hearing is strongly recommended, and this is very appropriate. Although the common man is often not as capable as so-called philosophers, faithful hearing from an authoritative person will help one transcend this material existence and go back to Godhead, back to home. </blockquote> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 yes this place is hard to live and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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