Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 By--------- Srila Thakur Bhaktivinode What is association and giving up association? Many people have doubts about this. Doubts may be there, because if just by coming close to a materialist or material object is consider associating with them, then there is no way to give up this association. As long as the material body is there, how can one give up the proximity of these things? How can a grhastha vaisnava give up his family members? Even if one is a renunciate, still one cannot give up the association of deceitful persons. One will have to come across materialists in one’s life, whether one is a grhastha or a renunciate. Therefore the limit for giving up the association of materialists is prescribed in Œri Upadeœamta as follows: dadati pratighati guhyam akhyati pcchati bhu,kte bhojayate caiva -vidha priti-lakaam Offering gifts in charity, accepting charitable gifts, revealing one’s mind in confidence, inquiring confidentially, accepting prasada, and offering prasada are the six symptoms of love shared by one devotee and another. O sadhakas! One must accept proximity with both bad and good people as one passes his life. This equally applies to householders and renunciates. Proximity must be there, nevertheless one should not engage in bad association. Giving in charity, accepting charity, revealing one’s mind, hearing one’s mind, accepting foods, and giving foods — if done with love are called sanga, association. Giving some foodstuffs to a hungry person or accepting some charity from a pious man are done out of duty, not out of love. Even if they are materialists, this type of engagement is not considered association. But if they are pure devotees then such activities should be performed out of love. When acts are performed out of love, then it is association. Giving charity to pure vaisnavas and accepting items or wealth from them becomes sat-sanga. Thus, giving charity to or accepting charity from a materialist, if done out of love, becomes asat-sanga. When a materialist approaches you, whatever is required to be done should be done only out of duty. One should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Haribol, Where is the rest of this post... it seems to end in an odd way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 not speak confidentially with a materialist. Generally there is some love involved in confidential speaking, therefore it is association. While meeting a materialistic friend one should speak only what is extremely necessary. At that time it is better not to exhibit heartfelt love. But if that friend is a proper vaisnava then one should accept his association by speaking to him with love. This type of behavior with relatives and friends creates no hostility. There is no association in ordinary talk. One should behave with ordinary people as one externally behaves with a stranger while buying something in the market. The same dealings with a pure devotee of the Lord should be done out of love. If one is obliged to feed hungry people, needy people, and teachers, he should do so as a host dutifully cares for his guest, there is no need to exhibit love. Care for them, but not out of love. One should feed pure vaisnavas with love, and when required accept the remnants given by them with love. If one can behave in this way while giving in charity, accepting charity, speaking confidentially, hearing confidentially, feeding, and accepting food with one’s wife, children, servants, maidservants, strangers, and whoever else one meets, there will no unholy association, only good association. There is no hope of achieving devotion to Krishna until one gives up unholy association in this way. A renunciate vaisnava should accept whatever alms he receives by madhukari, begging at the houses of honest householders with the above mentioned consideration. He should always remember the difference between gross begging and madhukari;. A grhastha vaisnava should accept prasada grains and drinks in the house of another grhastha who has pure character. One should always be cautious about taking prasada in the house of a nondevotee or someone with bad character. There is no need to speak further about this. Due to their pious activities, those who have developed faith in devotional service have a little intelligence by the mercy of Krishna. Due to that intelligence they can easily understand the essence of the acaryas’ instructions. Therefore only a few words are needed to instruct them. Those who have no pious credits have no faith. Even if they are given volumes of instruction they will not understand a thing. Therefore Srila Rupa Goswami has given only a few words of instruction in Sri Upadesamrta. — Commentary on Srila Rupa Goswami’s Sri Upadesamrta verse three, sanga-tyaga. Translation by Sriman Bhumipati Prabhu. Edited and published by Pundarik Vidyanidhi Prabhu. Available from Vrajraj Press, c/o ISKCON Vrindavan. 1996. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Due to their pious activities, those who have developed faith in devotional service have a little intelligence by the mercy of Krishna. Due to that intelligence they can easily understand the essence of the acaryas’ instructions. Therefore only a few words are needed to instruct them. Figuratively the queen is supposed to be the disciple of the king; thus when the mortal body of the spiritual master expires, his disciples should cry exactly as the queen cries when the king leaves his body. However, the disciple and spiritual master are never separated because the spiritual master always keeps company with the disciple as long as the disciple follows strictly the instructions of the spiritual master. This is called the association of väni (words). Physical presence is called vapuù. As long as the spiritual master is physically present, the disciple should serve the physical body of the spiritual master, and when the spiritual master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the instructions of the spiritual master. SB 4.28.47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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