hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 The word demigod is now wide used in English because of Isckon for Hindu gods like Shiva, Laxmi, Durga, Ganesha, Kali, Surya, Kaartikeya, Saraswati etc. Don't use it anymore. They are not demigods. First give me a sanskrit word from Vedas/Puranas/Smritis for "demigod" used for all these Gods and never used for Vishnu in the scriptures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Hare Krishna Shiva, Laxmi, Durga, Ganesha, Kali, Surya, Kaartikeya, Saraswati etc. <font color="red"> I have been thinking lately and I think demi-gods are only </font color> <font color="red"> demi-gods, if you ask them for material benediction, </font color> <font color="red"> otherwise they are devotees of Krishna/Vishnu. </font color> I say because the Gopis prayed to mother Katayani for Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 we use "demigods" because they are not god (= paramatma, brahman, bhagavan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Ghandarva, Ghandarva by itself means "Celestial". Clearly Gods such as Shiva , Laxmi and Saraswati are not Ghandharvas or celestials... they are more than celestials they are devas. Deva itself is God. But God in English would mean "THE GOD". I think thats why it is not used in english /images/graemlins/smirk.gif. The word Demigod is more appropriate... well thats the way I look at it /images/graemlins/crazy.gif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 we use "demigods" because they are not god (= paramatma, brahman, bhagavan) How they are not brahman. I am brahman you are brahman. Why aren't they? Paramatma and Bhagavaan are also used for Brahma, Shiva, Ganesh etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 The best thing to do is to be very close to sanskrit. So if the word deva is used for indra and for Vishnu then the word God should also be used for Indra and Vishnu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 i have written the definition of god not that ganesha is not spiritual (=brahman) if you think that ganesh, shiva, brahma are the same as krsna.. please read bhagavad gita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Brahman is everything yet different from everything. The analogy fits perfectly to the ocean and a droplet. Brahman is the ocean, the droplet exists in the ocean but the ocean does not exist in the droplet with all its magnamious nature. Ocean does exist in the droplet for some extent, but not completely. You say Hare krishna, why don't you say, Hare yourself? Because, Krishna is the ocean, you are the droplet. If we perceive this same instance in another perspective then krishna is more than the ocean in reality, because it is by very law of nature that brahman is everything yet it is different from everything. but you see, we worship krishna as a manifest entity, even though he is both manifest and unmanifest. It is said in bhagavath gita that to realize the unmanifest nature of brahman is very hard and the realization would be like realizing that sun exists or his rays exist everywhere. To realize the manifest nature of brahman is very easy and it could be done by bhakthi. You cannot know krishna with a human brain, it is not possible. but through bhakthi, we can love krishna and he will himself show himself to you... as both , manifest and unmanifest entity. ___ I was in the same delusion, but I read bhagavath Gita, I realized how little we can realize through the brahman realization, it is better to love that cowherd boy than empty space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Yes you are rightI, love Krishna. Would you mind if I say the same about Ganesh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 You can call upon the droplets, but with the cloud's mercy alone will they fall. In other words, you can worship Ganesh, but the true giver would be Vishnu. Because, Vishnu's name by itself means - the all prevading reality-- as said by Adi Shankara Charya, on the commentary of Vishnu Sahasranama. Sigh, I am spending too much time here, later ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti Their is one reality, the learned give many names to it. Rig veda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 No we wouldn't mind.But then after leaving body one would go to live with Ganesha deva and still undergo cycles of creation and destruction , birth & death.Only unconditional love towards God and all souls is our ultimate goal.We could love Ganesha or Mother Earth equally then.Living entities have been placed as powerful demigods. Haribol! joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 "Krishna says in the padma puraana that one who worships Ganesh, Surya, Shiva, Vishnu or Durga will reach Krishna after his dead." These all are forms of Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Hare Krishna That you should pray to these five dieties in order to reach Krishna.. Ganesh...removes obstacles Surya...bestows confidence Shiva...bestows devotion Vishnu...bestows devotion Durga...bestows stenght There are other benedictions as well, but I forget for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_love_krishna_ Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti Their is one reality, the learned give many names to it. __________ As said in Veda -knowledge Anta-end... or the Ultimate knowledge, you are right. Just like it said in the vedas, we are seeking the ultimate reality, which is no other than krishna. Prahlad once said that death and birth are him (well, this is from a movie I saw). Anyway, everything is him and he is Narayana. You worship Narayana, you go to the abode of the supreme, you wish to worship a demigod, narayana himself comes as him and takes you with him. This is like a scenario where you are entertaining a baby with a puppet. The baby thinks the puppet is real and thus talks to it, but in reality the true entity is the controller of the puppet, In the same way, the true controller of all manifestations in this universe and beyond is krishna, who is no other than the supreme personality of the Godhead. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif The true giver is always Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 On-line dictionary DEMI 1 : half <demisemiquaver> 2 : one that partly belongs to (a specified type or class) <demigod> Krsna is the only Supremely Independent. All demi-gods depend on Him. He does not depend on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Hare Krishna Krishna resides within the heart of empowered servants of Krishna called demi-gods, the benedictions are offered by the supersoul(Krishna) alone, so why do we ask demi-gods for benedictions like Ganesha to remove obstacles why not just ask Krishna, because THEY are devotees and they understand our need for Krishna therefore they have power to Bless us. Hey demi-gods are devotees as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Ganesh...removes obstacles Surya...gives health Shiva...gives Jnaana, wisdom Vishnu...gives Moksha, liberation Durga...gives stenght/fulfits desires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Calling gods demigods is not good. If one demigod is half of god aka Krishna then 3 demigods will be 1.5 of Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 I just offered the dictionary definition. Play word games as you wish but how will you calculate the fact that Krsna is ever expanding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 I bet Krishna is /images/graemlins/laugh.gif at all this talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Let's hope so, whatever gives Him pleasure. We do tend to sometimes take ourselves so seriously don't we. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hare_krishna Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 you wrote: I just offered the dictionary definition. Play word games as you wish but how will you calculate the fact that Krsna is ever expanding? That's why you can't call Gods demigods. Till now nobody challenged me . My request was : <font color="red"> First give me a sanskrit word from Vedas/Puranas/Smritis for "demigod" used for all these Gods and never used for Vishnu in the scriptures. </font color> The truth is that there is no such thing as demigod in Hinduism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Deva - demi-god Devata - Lord Vishnu Deva - only demi-gods Deva'ta - the demi-gods god(Vishnu/Krishna) I think that is right but I maybe wrong /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Please give some reference where this is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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