Unless One is a Pure Devotee He Should Not Become A Preacher

[Guest guest]

Sravanam

 

1. If the speaker is a bonafide spiritual master

 

If you are surrendered to the speaker, realization will come.

If you have love for the speaker, realization will come.

If you are listening to the speaker and realization will not come, it means you are not a devotee of the speaker.

 

2. If the speaker is not a bonafide spiritual master

which means that his bhakti is not ahaituki, apratihata (uninterrupted, unmotivated),

and sometime he engages himself in some sort of whimsical nonsense things, due to his anarthas,how can you follow him?

 

If the person who speaks is lusty and you are listening to him, you will become lusty

and you will realize that.

 

A conditioned soul cannot preach.

But everybody should preach. Not preach, but assisting preaching of the bonafide spiritual master (sad guru).

One should go everywhere and give gurudeva's books and say “this is my gurudeva and my gurudeva is coming very soon, you can also come and meet him”.

In this way one tries to bring people to gurudeva, by making them understand the position of the sadhu.

 

Preaching means feeling the heart of a conditioned soul which is empty with love.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada says: brajabasi gana pratyra kadana (sanskrit maybe not ok) “ Only the brajabasi can preach” the message of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Otherwise other persons will do it only for pratiSta.

 

A drowning person cannot help another drowning person, but can say “Look, there is a boat overthere”.

The sad rasika guru.

 

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[Guest guest]

 

Good Quote

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Preaching means feeling the heart of a conditioned soul which is empty with love.

 

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada says: brajabasi gana pratyra kadana (sanskrit maybe not ok)

“ Only the brajabasi can preach” the message of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Otherwise other persons will do it only for pratista

 

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No here is the tattva on who is the real preacher of divine love and that we are mere preacher assistants of the brijabasis

who have come directly from Krishnaloka to save the conditioned souls like us.

[anadi]

dandavat pranama prabhu,

 

It is not that you have become a student and you'll remain student. No. One day you shall become also guru and make more students, more students, more. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission, not that perpetually... Yes, one should remain perpetually a student, but he has to act as guru. That is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

 

 

can you tell where is this quotation from?

 

You seem to have access to a lot of wonderful things.

[Guest guest]

 

by Srila Prabhupada

 

 

So many people say, "Oh, Swamiji, you have done wonderful." So I say, the secret of my wonderful activities is that I have not tried to adulterate it. I am simply presenting as it is. Everything is there in the Bhagavad-gita, and I am simply reproducing it. And it is acting. Because I am not adulterating the sweet rice with sand, people are tasting it very nice.

So you also follow the same principle. Don't try to adulterate. Present it as it is. And people will like it. There is no difficulty. (710716LE. DET Lectures)

 

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Lord Caitanya says that Under My order, you become a spiritual master. To become a spiritual master under the order of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not very difficult. Unless we adulterate, mix in something nonsense in His teachings, if we simply present, as it is, then every one of us can become a spiritual master.

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

 

 

So many people say, "Oh, Swamiji, you have done wonderful." So I say, the secret of my wonderful activities is that I have not tried to adulterate it. I am simply presenting as it is. Everything is there in the Bhagavad-gita, and I am simply reproducing it. And it is acting. Because I am not adulterating the sweet rice with sand, people are tasting it very nice.

So you also follow the same principle. Don't try to adulterate. Present it as it is. And people will like it. There is no difficulty. (710716LE.DET Lectures)

 

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People say that "Swamiji, you have done miracles." But what miracles I have done? I am simply repeating Krsna's words. That's all. So everyone can do that. Everyone can take this matter very seriously. His life will be successful. He will make others successful. It is so nice thing.

 

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So actually it is happening. We are not wonderful men. But our only business is that we are speaking only the same thing as Krsna has spoken. That's all. There is no magic. This is the magic. If you adulterate nonsensically like a rascal, then you cannot become a spiritual master. If you simply follow what Krsna has spoken, then you become spiritual master. Very simple thing. It doesn't require education. You can hear from your spiritual master what has Krsna said.

 

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When a devotee is perfectly qualified in chanting the transcendental vibration of the holy name, he is quite fit to become a spiritual master and to deliver all the people of the world... one who is situated on the platform of love of Godhead chants the holy name loudly for all concerned. As a result, everyone becomes initiated in the chanting of the holy names--Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

 

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We got this information from His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and that knowledge is still going on. You are receiving through his servant. And in future the same knowledge will go to your students. This is called parampara system. It is not that you have become a student and you'll remain student. No. One day you shall become also guru and make more students, more students, more. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission, not that perpetually... Yes, one should remain perpetually a student, but he has to act as guru. That is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu... So we should become always a very obedient student to our guru. That is the qualification. That is the spiritual qualification.

 

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Prabhupada: Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters.

 

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This is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and, by disciplic succession, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, then my spiritual master. Then we are trying our level best. Similarly, you will also try your level best on the same principle. Then it will go on. Same principle. It doesn't matter whether one is born in India or outside India. No.

 

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So we have got this message from Krsna, from Caitanya Mahaprabhu, from the six Gosvamis, later on, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Bhaktisiddhanta Thakura. And we are trying our bit also to distribute this knowledge. Now, tenth, eleventh, twelfth... My Guru Maharaja is tenth from Caitanya Mahaprabhu, I am eleventh, you are the twelfth. So distribute this knowledge. People are suffering.

 

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That is a chance given, that you can become a brahmana, you can become a great devotee of Lord Krsna, and you can become the spiritual master of the world. That is the... And I think you should take seriously.

 

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And to become acarya is not very difficult. First of all, to become very faithful servant of your acarya, follow strictly what he says. Try to please him and spread Krsna consciousness. That's all. It is not at all difficult. Try to follow the instruction of your Guru Maharaja and spread Krsna consciousness. That is the order of Lord Caitanya. "By following My order, you become guru." And if we strictly follow the acarya system and try our best to spread the instruction of Krsna... Simply repeat what is said by Krsna, then you become acarya. But you should understand the meaning also; otherwise how you can explain? So, we want to spread Krsna consciousness. Simply prepare yourself how to repeat Krsna's instructions very nicely, without any malinterpretation. Then, in future... Suppose you have got now ten thousand. We shall expand to hundred thousand. That is required. Then hundred thousand to million, and million to ten million. So there will be no scarcity of acarya, and people will understand Krsna consciousness very easily. So make that organization. Don't be falsely puffed up. Follow the acarya's instruction and try to make yourself perfect, mature. Then it will be very easy to fight out maya. Yes. Acaryas, they declare war against maya's activities.

 

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Spiritual master is not a new invention. It is simply following the orders of the spiritual master. So all my students present here who are feeling so much obliged... I am also obliged to them because they are helping me in this missionary work. At the same time, I shall request them all to become spiritual master. Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master. To become a spiritual master is not very wonderful thing. Simply one has to become sincere soul. That's all.

 

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You'll have to become spiritual master. You, all my disciples, everyone should become spiritual master. It is not difficult. It is difficult when you manufacture something. But if you simply present whatever you have heard from your spiritual master, it is very easy. If you want to become overintelligent, to present something, to interpret something, whatever over you have heard from spiritual master you can make some further addition, alteration, then you'll spoil whole thing. Then you'll spoil whole thing. Don't make addition or alteration. Simply present as it is. Therefore, we have begun Bhagavad-gita As It Is. Don't try to become over spiritual master. Then you'll spoil. Remain always a servant of your spiritual master and present the thing as you have heard. You'll be spiritual master. This is secret. You should know it. Don't try to become overintelligent. That will spoil.

 

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So I hope that all of you, men, women, boys and girls, become spiritual master, and follow this principle. Spiritual master, simply, sincerely, follow the principles and speak to the general public. Then Krsna immediately becomes your favorite. Krsna does not become your favorite; you become Krsna's favorite. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, na ca tasmad manusyesu kascin me priya-krttamah: "One who is doing this humble service of preaching work, Krsna consciousness, nobody is dearer than him to Me." So if you want to become recognized by Krsna very quickly, you take up this process of becoming spiritual master, present the Bhagavad-gita as it is. Your life is perfect.

 

 

[anadi]

dandavat pranama prabhu

 

Unless one is situated as pure Vaisnava in his dealing, in his behavior, inside and outside, he should not become a preacher because it will not be effective , neither one should hear from such person

 

 

Could you please tell me what is the meaning of

" he should not become a preacher because it will not be effective "

We have seen in past some not pure VaiSnavas (gurus) who managed to make many disciples and later those gurus left "the movement".

It seems that those not pure VaiSnavas had been effective.

 

What meant Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada by saying that really the preaching of not pure VaiSnavas is not effective

 

What is the effect of hearing from a not VaiSnava?

Is that the books should bring one to the spritual master?

Why?

[Guest guest]

Yes some effect is there

by the gurus of yore

 

but the effect of a Sri Guru is eternal

and everlasting on the heart of a sincere disciple

[anadi]

dandavat pranama

you said:

Yes some effect is there

by the gurus of yore.

 

SBV Svami Prabhupada says preaching is not effective, not that it might have "some effect". He could have said so.

 

What is the effect of hearing hari kathAmRta from Sri Guru, and how this effect takes place?

What is the effect of hearing hari kathAmRta from not pure

devotee, why?

 

Why Sravanam (hearing) so emphasized?

Why not himself read hari katha amRta ?

 

What about if the effect Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami means, is an internal one, not external.

What is the menaing?

 

[yasodanandana]

"We have seen in past some not pure VaiSnavas (gurus) who managed to make many disciples and later those gurus left "the movement".

It seems that those not pure VaiSnavas had been effective"

 

they were effective in teaching something basic, because there's no doubt that they were at some level, if not at the highest level... and what they know, they have surely transmitted to the disciples

 

but the "effective" of srila prabhupada means, in my humble opinion, effective to bring the disciple back to godhead

 

you can listen to me, i can tell you something good for your devotion and practice, but i cannot give you the ultimate goal.. krishna

 

and guru is the one who brings back to godhead , nothing less /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Guest guest]

Dandavat prabhu,

Very good!

one cannot attain ruci even, what to say about bhava, without the mercy of one's pure guru.

But you didn't answer all questions, please.

[Guest guest]

These are the words I was wanting to hear

Yes real Guru with a capital "G"

Sri Sri Sri GURU

Who is as good as Krishna

In fact,better than Krishna

Because he can give you Krishna

as he is empowered to do so

so many gurus are there

but only Sri Guru can take you Krishna's abode

Thank you for your words of truth.

Ciao,(I am your servant)

gopaldas

[yasodanandana]

thanks to you and gopal das prabhu ..... mine was a little attempt, i am not much "Bravo" because we are talking of basics

 

if these are the questions you are requesting to answer...

 

"What is the effect of hearing from a not VaiSnava?"

 

two answers....

 

1)if we are pure (uttama) we see and hear the presence of krsna in everyone and we can take instruction everywere

 

2)in a more practical (for us) way .... in kaliyuga is not possible to be totally evil or totally saint, so it is possible to have help in krsna consciousness from any level of devotee, and the more the preacher is pure, more effective will be the preaching.....

 

 

"Is that the books should bring one to the spritual master?"

 

spiritual school means "guru + shastra + sadhus"... "teacher + books + tradition"

 

a present guru is mostly important bacause he teach to us from veda and sadhus according time place and circumstance seeing exactly what is our guna, karma and advancement

 

a big example is arjuna, he knowing vedas and tradition, without the help of krsna, the spiritual master, believed that the best way were to act as a sannyasa and quit the war

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes,this is the difference

beween the various levels of guru.

One who is not self realized

although speaking the same words

as one who is realized

will not have any real effect ,i.e,

changing the material consciousness

to spiritual consciousness.

 

The words of the unrealized

will be like blank fire,

empty -- in the sense they will not pierce

the coverings of the soul

like the false ego,mind,intelligence,etc...

 

Guru means heavy

Guru is the heaviest element

Heavier than the heaviest

For he has defeated Maya

by his surrender to Krishna

He's the heavy weight champion

of the whole world.

Thus he can make disciples

all over the world.

(Nectar of Instruction)

 

His senses are controlled by Krishna's senses.

His word's are Krishna's words.

In tattva ,

Sri Guru is as good as Sri Krishna.

Not that Sri Guru is Sri Krishna

But Sri Guru is qualitatively one with Sri Krishna.

[Guest guest]

THE POWER OF THE PURE DEVOTEE AND THE GRACE IT BESTOWS ON THE DISCIPLE

A devotee's path to the spiritual kingdom, back home, back to Godhead, is

guaranteed. Even though a devotee slips in one birth, the continuation of

his Krsna consciousness elevates him further and further until he goes back

to Godhead. Not only does a pure devotee purify his own personal existence,

but whoever becomes his disciple also ultimately becomes purified and able

to enter the kingdom of God without difficulty. Not only can a pure devotee

easily surpass death, but by his grace his followers also can do so without

difficulty. The power of devotional service is so great that a pure devotee

can electrify another person by his transcendental instruction on crossing

over the ocean of nescience.

 

The instructions of a pure devotee to his disciple are also very simple.

No one feels any difficulty in following in the footsteps of a pure devotee.

Anyone who follows in disciplic succession from recognized devotees of the

Lord, such as Lord Brahma, Lord Shiva, the Kumaras, Manu, Kapila, King

Prahlada, King Janaka, Sukadeva Gosvami, Yamaraja, etc., very easily finds

the door of liberation open. An intelligent person, therefore, gives up all

stereotyped ideas and joins the Krsna consciousness movement for factual

liberation.

 

A person who tries to understand Krsna with full knowledge and devotion by

following in the footsteps of previous acharyas conversant with the

scientific knowledge of the Supreme Lord is praiseworthy. Such a devotee can

understand that all conditions of life, favorable and unfavorable, are

created by the supreme will of the Lord. And when he has fully surrendered

unto the lotus feet of the Supreme Lord, he does not care whether his

condition of life is favorable or unfavorable. A devotee takes even an

unfavorable condition to be the special favor of the Personality of Godhead.

Actually, there are no unfavorable conditions for a devotee. He sees

everything coming by the will of the Lord as favorable, and in any condition

of life he is simply enthusiastic to discharge his devotional service. This

devotional attitude is explained in the Bhagavad-gita: a devotee is never

distressed in reverse conditions of life, nor is he overjoyed in favorable

conditions. In the higher stages of devotional service, a devotee is not

even concerned with the list of do's and do not's. Such a position can be

maintained only by following in the footsteps of the acharyas. Because a

pure devotee follows in the footsteps of the acharyas, any action he

performs to discharge devotional service is to be understood to be on the

transcendental platform. (Krsna Book: Prayers by the Personified Vedas)

 

O lord of lords, master of spiritual masters, the mercy incarnation of the

Supreme Lord appearing in the age of Kali, what you have done is not devoid

of the empowering energy of the Lord. Therefore to call you 'Prabhupada' is

fitting and proper. The essence of the message of the Gaudiya sampradaya is

mercy upon the conditioned souls. This was practically lost due to the

influence of the age of Kali. You have preached and given the essence new

life, and thus, Srila Prabhupada, you have delivered the whole universe.

(Vyasa Puja Book 1978 p.284)

[Guest guest]

"Only out of His immense compassion does the Personality of Godhead reveal Himself as the spiritual master. Therefore in the dealings of an acarya there are no activities but those of transcendental loving service to the Lord. He is the Supreme Personality of Servitor Godhead. It is worthwhile to take shelter of such a steady devotee, who is called asraya-vigraha, or the manifestation or form of the Lord whom one must take shelter."

 

 

(Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 1.46, Purport)