The antisemitism issue

[Guest guest]

aryan revivalist and anti-sionist... perfect !

[Kulapavana]

from the local neanderthals.... Hare Krishna! Here is my blessing: May you grow a brain someday...

[Jagat]

It is complex, Mahax. You are perfectly right and I think my post above was sufficiently nuanced. Just as some Jews turn anti-Zionism into anti-Semitism (anti-Jew, if you will) there are others who do in fact piggback antisemitism onto anti-Zionism. That is what Srivatsa was trying to do, and I find both attitudes equally abhorrent.

 

The only solution in Palestine will come when Jews and Palestinians agree to see each other as human beings and recognize each other's needs and work for each other's uplift. But that is not what is happening.

 

I don't really want to discuss the Palestinian issue. It's too complex for me, and it's too easy for me in my armchair to propose solutions. But if the Israelis succeed in pushing the Palestinians into the desert for the sake of an Eretz Israel, it will be a crime against humanity. The effort that is going on to accomplish that is already a crime.

 

But as I intimated, our forefathers have a percentage in that crime. We exported our "problem" and gave it to the Muslims. And even now, the U.S. is participating in it by supporting Israel rather than calling it to account.

 

 

[Jagat]

There are perhaps times when a war is the pure and good against the sinful and evil. But it is rarely the case. Humans succumb to pressures and these form their character. They become hardened or softened and act accordingly.

 

Jews were chased or escaped from Europe where persecutions came as regularly as hurricanes in the Caribbean. They said, never again. This has made them hard, but can we not at least remember their history and be humble before it?

 

That's why I said Islam is a harder nut. People like Edward Said cry "Orientalism" and many Hindus have adopted the same cry. But finding an identity and maturity as a people is a complex affair. Islam is too busy defining itself through uncompromising wars of attrition instead of through synthesis and respect for others. It's too easy to identify everyone as a Satan. Everyone is acting in their self-interest. That is neither good nor bad; it's just the way it is.

 

The problem in Israel would not be half as bad if there had been some serious attempt, anywhere over the past 60 years, to find the juste milieu. The hard line rules on both sides in Palestine. Sometimes self-interest comes in giving concessions.

 

That's it. I've said all I have to say.

 

 

[Guest guest]

the history of the jewish plot to control the world

theory is this.

 

the catholic church throughout it's long history

had as it's target in "the age of enlightenment"

the various freemason/rosicrucian and allied

christian sects who had as their theology

the idea of themselves as originaly

being the tribe of Jacob or "the house of israel".

 

the catholic church was losing ground to the mason

organizations especially among the elites,where

freemason/rosicrucianism was all the rage,and very anti

catholic.

 

so the plan was to convince these nobles,intellectuals,

artists,and royal families that they were all being duped

and led around by a secret cabal of jews(who were

generally despised by all).

 

this was done by printing various tracts by catholic priests expsoing the grand conspiracy of the illuminati,

which included the protocols of zion.

[I_love_krishna_]

If the Jews really ran the show back in the medieval ages then why were they persecuted in Spanish inquisitions etc?

 

[Jagat]

Dear Prabhus,

 

I would like to thank all those who recognized the importance of this issue and wrote to VNN. I don't know how those devotees have reacted, but I am leaving it in Krishna's hands.

 

I have tried to sensitize you to the importance of this specific situation. Please study the works of Kundali Das, who is about the only insider who has really tried to tell devotees how their "Krishna consciousness" is so often a cloak of hypocrisy and how big a job self-realization really is.

 

Those who submerge themselves in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories of various sorts have really lost their direction. It's an unfortunate situation that so many devotees have lost their way like this.

 

The temptation is there to fall into despair, but I will turn to more elevating things.

 

I beg the indulgence of anyone I may have obfuscated in all this.

 

Your servant,

 

Jagadananda Das.

[Guest guest]

 

The most disagreeable thing about so-called Vaishnavas is their smug superior attitude.

 

"Our religion is transcendental.We are above the bodily conception.Judaism, Christianity and Islam are man-made religions. Only our religion comes directly from God."

 

 

 

You need not worry about this sentiment. People here believe the opposite - that Christianity and Islam are on the level of pure bhakti. Attempts to present evidence suggesting that this is not the case are often met with irrational hostility. Proponents of political correctness would be proud.

 

 

"These are all cheating religions, only ours is truly pure."

 

You are such foolish kanistha adhikaris. A religion is only as pure as its practitioners.

 

 

 

Sanaatana-dharma is pure. But those who claim to follow it might not necessarily be following properly, and thus it is they who are impure. I think what you mean to say is "a religious society is as pure as its practitioners." Regardless of the nefarious activities of some individuals, Lord Chaitanya's teachings and religion cannot be tarnished.

 

[Jagat]

Dear Krparama Prabhu,

 

I am very sorry that you have not taken my requests to heart. It is unfortunate that you cannot see the potential for damage that articles like those written by Srivatsa may have on the movement.

 

A few senior devotees have taken the time to write and let you know what they think. Take heed of their requests and advice; they know of the dangers and hurt that this kind of thing can lead to.

 

Fortunately, Srivatsa's articles were so badly written that hardly anyone could understand them anyway. Not exactly edifying for VNN, but there you have it.

 

I still ask you to remove them. But even more important, please, please don't do it again. I cannot let you sully the name of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu with documents whose only goal is to spread hate instead of love.

 

Your servant,

 

Jagadananda Das.

[Jagat]

Dear VNN,

 

Swami Tripurari, the Sanga Staff and the residents of Audarya, would like to join with those protesting the blatantly anti-Semitic editorials that were recently published on your website. Editorials like those are the bread of life for racists, skinheads, and neo-nazis but have nothing to do with Gaudiya Vaisnavism, the path of absolute love. Therefore we urge you to desist from publishing any more anti-Semitic articles, and to remove those already posted on your site. Those tasteless articles left us speechless but Brzezinski found exactly the right words to say about them. We at Sanga urge you to post his article on the VNN website.

 

http://www.chakra.org/discussions/LetSep16_03.html

 

Sincerely, Brahma Das

 

Sangaeditor

[Jagat]

Dear VNN staff,

 

Over the years, I have seen many valuable articles published on your site. I have sometimes called attention to these articles when others complain about your editorial policies. I have also been disappointed by some of the articles you've published. However, Srivatsa Dasa's "Repetition of History" hits a new low. At first I ignored it because it was so poorly written. The author didn't really give a clear indication of what the article's point is, except for an allusion in the title to similarities between Kamsa's and Herod's atrocities. The bulk of the article, though, seems to be disjointed antisemitic drivel, not even as well written or sharply focused as the nonsense I have gotten from a couple of my students over the past 15 years of teaching writing in college.

 

I recently got the impression that your standards had been raised somewhat; apparently I was mistaken. Both the content and style of this article reflect poorly on the community of vaishnavas. The kind of hatred based on bodily designation expressed by this article is antithetical to the teachings of our acharyas.

 

The writing is so poor and full of fragments that if one of my students submitted it to me, I'd return it without bothering to grade it. I'm mortified to think that folks with no idea of Krishna consciousness will be directed to VNN by a search and come across this nonsense. I hope you'll heed what I guess must be a flurry of protests (I'd hope a blizzard) and refuse to publish such tripe ever again.

 

Your discouraged servant,

 

Babhru das

 

[Guest guest]

re read what i wrote, the concept of a jewish

led conspiracy that controls the world is a creation

of the catholic church to scare the elites of

the time away from "occult" societies.

 

not that there were not conspiracies afoot, in fact

many catholic clergy belonged to these societies,

but they were not jewish led, although some members

were ethnically jewish they were not religious jews,

they had various philosophies(see my kkk/masons thread

in world review) and were organized to re establish

royal and nobility led governence, the idea of them

being fooled and led by jews was itself a conspiracy

started by catholic clerics believing that since

jews were generally despised and not trusted by the

masses that claiming that jews were actually secretly

leading these "occult" societies would have the effect

of a creating a mass exodus and keep future growth from these groups.

 

Then there were the "aryan supremacists" , the new discoveries of an India-Europe connection in the distant

past created a new belief system that was fanned by Theosophy,which became the most important "occult" group

for around 50 years,and also by Darwinism.

 

Both of these taught that jews were lower species,less

evolved, combined with the aryan supremacy put forth

by Blavatsky this created even more jewish hate

especially when combined with the catholic led

illuminati jewish led conspiracy.

 

 

"The apocryphal document that allegedly "proves" the existence of the Jewish Conspiracy is called Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The origin of the Protocols myth is instructive: It is an amalgam of fictional documents, plagiarized political pamphlets and innuendo that fermented in Europe during the 19th century. The earliest germ of the myth can be found in a 1797 book by the French Cleric AbbÈ Barruel on the revolutionary Jacobins. Like Robison's Proofs of a Conspiracy, this book became a paranoid hit bestseller in Europe and America, and like Robison's book, it posited the Illuminati (and Freemasonry in general) as the gray eminence behind the French Revolution. Barruel made no mention of the Jews in the book. The Jews were folded into the myth in 1806, when Barruel received a letter from a retired Army officer living in Florence, one J.B. Simonini. Simonini warned Barruel about a "Judaic sect" that was "the most formidable power, if one considers its great wealth and the protection it enjoys in almost all European countries." Simonini claimed that he uncovered their nefarious plot by disguising himself as a Jew and infiltrating a conspiratorial gathering of Piedmontese Jews in Northern Italy. Per Simonini, the Jewish plotters confessed to him that they had founded the Illuminati and Freemasons, and also had infiltrated the ranks of Christian clergymen. What's more, they were planning to install a Jew as Pope.

 

 

Well, this conspiratorial leitmotif resurfaced 75 years after the Simonini letter in a novel written by an official in the Prussian postal service (Sir John Retcliffe, a pen name of Hermann Goedsche). The novel contained a chapter called, "In the Jewish Cemetery in Prague," which described how every 100 years, the elders of the 12 tribes of Israel gathered at the grave of the most senior Rabbi to plot the enslavement of the gentile world. This chapter was reprinted as a pamphlet in Russia and France, and over time it came to be accepted as fact.

 

In 1806, Barruel produced a document in support of his slanderous charges against the Jews - the Simonini Letter. Like almost everything else connected with the myth of the Jewish world-conspiracy, the letter was a forgery - a fabrication produced by the French Political Police under Fouche. Its objective was to influence Napoleon against the Jews. The letter was ostensibly written by an army officer, J.B. Simonini. After having congratulated Barruel on "unmasking" the Jacobins, which Simonini claimed were preparing the way for Antichrist, the letter went on to describe the so-called Jewish role in the entire "Jacobin Plot."

 

At the time of his death in 1820, Barruel had elaborated the beginnings of the modern myth of the Judeo / Masonic Conspiracy. He had written a vast manuscript to show how a revolutionary conspiracy had existed down through the ages, from Mani to the medieval Knights Templar, and thence to the Freemasons. The whole organization was supposedly controlled by a Supreme Council. The Council was veiled in impenetrable secrecy and had no fixed residence, but wherever the statesmen of the Great Powers gathered, there they could be found as an "unseen and controlling presence" lurking in the background [parallels pg. 71, Robertson's New World Order]. The Council, which - according to Barruel - was made up entirely of Jews, elected a Grand Master and around the figure of the Grand Master, Barruel wove a truly lurid tale of intrigue, terror, despotism, sorcery and witchcraft.

 

 

IN THE JEWISH CEMETERY IN PRAGUE

Barruels fantasies and the Simonini fabrication by Fouche found little acceptance in the first half of the nineteenth century. But around 1850, the myth reappeared - this time in Germany as a weapon of the extreme right in its struggle against the growing forces of liberty and democracy.

 

Writing after the great democratic uprisings of 1848 had swept through Europe, rocking the monarchies of the "Old World" to their very foundations, E.E. Eckert began to expand on Barruels themes of half a century earlier. The Catholic magazine, Historische-Politische Blatter picked up Eckerts writings and helped spread them throughout southern Germany. [And these are precisely the writings that Hitler "ran into" in Vienna and Munich in his youth - please see sidebar, pg. 25.]

 

A few years later, Herman Goedsche, writing for Neue Pruessiche Zeitung, authored a book which was to become the basis of one of the most famous anti-Semitic fabrications of all times - "The Rabbis Speech." How a relatively obscure and openly fictitious novel by Goedsche was transformed into the twisted and demonic "Rabbis Speech" is itself a case study in the pathological mental processes at work in those who give credence to the Illuminati Myth. Herman Goedsche had at one time been a minor official in the Prussian postal service. He had been dismissed, however, after having participated in a plot designed to incriminate the famous democratic leader, Benedec Waldeck. The plot had involved the use of forged letters.

 

In 1868, Goedsche produced a sensational novel under the pseudonym of "Sir John Retcliffe." The novel was entitled Biarritz. It contained a chapter called, "In the Jewish Cemetery in Prague." The novel itself was straight fiction and Goedsche never claimed that it was anything else but that. The chapter in question described a secret, nocturnal meeting which was supposed to have taken place in the Jewish Cemetery in the city of Prague during the Feast of Tabernacles. [it's interesting to note in this connection that there are some in "Latter Rain" who have taken note of all this and who have described these "goings-on" as a kind of "Black Mass" - a satanic precusor or spiritual counterfeit to the "real thing" (speaking here of the so-called "Black Mass.") which some "Latter Rain" devotees expect to occur in the "Latter Days" just prior to the Return of Christ.]

 

At eleven oclock, the gates of the cemetery creak softly and the rustling of velvety coats is heard. A vague, white figure passes like a shadow through the cemetery until it reaches a certain tombstone; here it kneels down, touches the tombstone three times with its forehead and whispers a prayer. Another figure approaches; it is that of an old man, bent and limping. It coughs and sighs as it moves. The figure takes its place next to its predecessor and it too kneels down and whispers a prayer. A third figure appears, and then a fourth and so on until thirteen figures have finally appeared, each one having repeated the aforementioned procedure.

 

When the thirteenth and final figure has at last taken its place, a clock strikes midnight. From out of the grave there comes a sharp, metallic sound. Suddenly, a blue flame appears and lights up the thirteen figures. A hollow voice says, "I greet you heads of the Twelve Tribes of Israel." And the figures dutifully reply, "We greet you, Son of the Accursed" - which is to say, "Antichrist." The assembled figures are meant to represent the twelve tribes of Israel. The additional figure represents the "unfortunates of the exile" - the Diaspore

 

 

BIARRITZ SPREADS

The relevant volume of Biarritz was published in 1868. But this was only the beginning of the story - for soon this frankly fictional episode began its demented transformation. It was the Russian anti-Semites who first thought of treating the story as an authentic record. In 1872, the chapter, "In the Jewish Cemetery of Prague," appeared by itself in St. Petersburg, then the capital of Czarist Russia, as a pamphlet. In 1876, a similar pamphlet appeared in Moscow with the title, "In the Jewish Cemetery in Czech Prague - the Jews, Sovereigns of the World." In 1880, a second edition of the Moscow pamphlet appeared in both Odessa and Prague. In 1886, it appeared in the Paris publication La Contemporain for July of that year. In all these versions, the chapter from Biarritz was presented no longer as fiction, but as fact - "The Rabbi’s Speech."

 

The authenticity of the speech was vouched for by an English diplomat - one "Sir John Readclif." To complete the irony and twisted turns of this story, when Francois Bournand printed the "Rabbis Speech" in La Contemporain, he prefaced it with a startling revelation: "We find the program of Jewry, the real program of the Jews, expressed by ... the Chief Rabbi, John Readclif ... It is a speech made in the 1880s."

 

Like a boomerang, the whole thing had come back on the unsuspecting Goedsche (Retcliffe).

 

Later editions of the "Speech" pictured Goedsche (AKA, Retcliffe, Retclif, Readclif, etc.) not as the Chief Rabbi, but as a hero. For instance, in 1933, the "Speech" surfaced in Sweden and was prefaced by a melancholy statement: "Sir John Readclif paid with his life for exposing the great Jewish conspiracy. It was a sad ending for a man ... who had been an English diplomat and historian."

 

Unbelievable? It would seem so! - but such are the "facts" that Illuminati enthusiasts marshal in defense of their system of conspiracy theories. And make no mistake about it, this is the stuff from which the entire myth of the Illuminati Conspiracy has been built.

 

 

Within a year of the publication of Goedsches fantasy, there appeared in France a book which was to become the "Bible" of the modern Illuminati Myth: La Juif, le judaisme et la judaisation des peuples chretiens by Gougenot des Mousseaux.

 

Mousseaux had become convinced that the world was falling into the grip of a mysterious body of Satan worshippers whom he called "Kabbalistic Jews."

 

In reality, the Kabbalah is nothing more than a body of Jewish mystical and theosophical doctrine dating in the main from the late medieval ages. It has been fully expounded in such works as the Zohar. While there can be no doubt that the Kabbalah falls outside the mainstream of Western (and Jewish) religious thinking, there is nothing secret about it.

 

Des Mousseaux, however, imagined the Kabbalah as something quite different: a secret demonic religion, a systematic cult of evil, established by the devil at the beginning of the world. According to des Mousseaux, the first practitioners of this cult were the sons of Cain, who after the flood were succeeded by the sons of Ham - these were the Chaldeans. In due time, they passed their secret on to the Jews who in turn controlled the Gnostics, the Manichees, and the Moslem sect of the Assassins. They at last transmitted their diabolical lore to the Templars who handed it to the Freemasons. But at all times the Jews, as the "representatives on earth of the spirit of darkness," had supplied the Grand Masters. [None of this, of course, is in the Bible - none of it; and for Christians - especially evangelicals - to accept such drivel and to pattern their "mindset" around it is tantamount to calling upon themselves the curse of Revelation 22:18 ("For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"). Why? - because isn't that what one is doing by embracing such extra-Biblical material? (i.e., religious material which is so fundamental that it helps to shape one's world-view, but material which - nonetheless - cannot be found in the Bible).] According to des Mousseaux, the cult centered on the worship of Satan or Lucifer; the chief symbols of the cult were the serpent and the phallus. (Please see sidebar, page 36.) The rituals included exotic orgies of the wildest kind. But this was not all: by murdering Christian children, the Jews - who in reality were supposed to be witches - acquired demonic power. All this was supposed to be a part of the Kabbalah. Of course, it never was! Never! - except in the imaginations and innumerable forgeries produced by devotees of the Illuminati Myth.

 

Finally, in the last chapter of his book, des Mousseaux pictured Antichrist as a Jewish king whom all nations would accept as their savior. As he neared the 500th page of his manuscript, the author began to ratchet his frenzy up into monumental heights:

 

"... the Jews will raise up a man with a genius for political imposture, a sinister bewitcher around whom fanatical multitudes will cluster. The Jews will hail this man as the Messiah, but he will be more than that. After destroying the authority of Christianity, he will unite mankind in one great universal brotherhood and bestow on it a superabundance of material goods. For these great services, the Gentile nations will accept him, exalt him, and worship him as a god - but in reality, for all his apparent benevolence, he will be Satans instrument for the perdition of mankind." [Gougenot des Mousseaux, Le Juif, le judaisme it la judaisation des peuples chretiens, Paris, 1869, pgs. 485-498.]

 

What des Mousseaux had done was to bring together all the heretofore disjointed pieces of the Illuminist Myth and weave them together as a coherent whole. All that was needed now was for someone to tie it all to a specific and contemporary event. The man that did this was Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky.

 

PYOTR IVANOVICH RACHKOVSKY

In the late nineteenth century, Russia was a hotbed of religious (as opposed to political) anti-Semitism. Russia was the last true autocracy or absolute monarchy in Europe. It was also the country with the largest Jewish population in the world - some five million, or about a third of all Jews everywhere. They were confined by decree to the "Pale of Settlement" - a group of provinces extending from the Baltic Sea in the north to the Black Sea in the south - an area which embraces much of what is today modern Poland and the Ukraine - all of which was then part of the Russian Empire. They were subjected to severe economic, residential, and educational restrictions. Throughout the nineteenth century, they were persecuted by the peasantry and were on the whole miserably poor.

 

The nineteenth century was also a time when the Russian Autocracy was beginning to encounter active political opposition, notably from clandestine terrorist groups which were then operating throughout Europe much in the same fashion that Middle East terrorist groups are doing today. The authorities were determined at all costs to mask the fact that the main opposition to the regime was Russian in origin and that there were actually real Russians - and educated ones at that - who so hated the Autocracy that they were prepared to assassinate its representatives. Slowly at first - and quite haphazardly - they accordingly began to pretend that all opposition to the regime, and particularly all terrorism, was the work of a "Jewish conspiracy." The appearance of Biarritz in St. Petersburg in 1872, in Moscow in 1876, and in Odessa in 1880 was connected to this pretense. Still, there existed as yet no overall theme to the tales which surfaced, and there appeared to be no coordinated effort behind it all.

 

After the shocking assassination of Czar Alexander II in 1881, the Okhrana (i.e., the secret police) was founded by imperial decree for the "protection of public security and order." Previously, the chief organ of the Secret Police had been the "Third Section" of the Imperial Chancellery, which was founded after the Decembrist Revolt of 1825. The Okhrana had branches in all the principal towns in Russia, as well as a foreign service centered in Paris. The foreign service of the Okhrana was headed up by Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky. A Russian compatriot described him as "... slightly too ingratiating in his manners and his suave way of speaking ... which made one think of a great cat carefully concealing his claws."

 

As chief of the foreign branch of the Okhrana, Rachkovsky organized over a period of some nineteen years (1884-1903) a network of agencies in France, Switzerland, London, and Berlin. As a result, he was easily able to keep a close check on the activities of the various exiled Russian revolutionary and terrorist groups. During this entire period, Rachkovsky resided in Paris and made it his headquarters.

 

Rachkovsky was a born intriguer who delighted in forging documents. One of his favorite methods of sewing discord in the ranks of the opposition was to forge a letter or pamphlet in which a supposed revolutionary attacked the revolution. For example, in 1887 there appeared in the French press a letter by a certain "P. Ivanov" who claimed - quite falsely - that the majority of the terrorists were Jews. In 1890 there appeared another pamphlet accusing the revolutionaries who had taken refuge in London of being British spies. In 1892 a letter appeared over the famous name of Plekhanov, accusing the leadership of Narodnaya Volya of having published the "confessions" of Plekhanov. A few weeks later came another letter in which Plekhanov in turn was attacked by other supposed revolutionaries. In reality, all these documents were forged by one man - Rachkovsky! Rachkovskys life was filled with such intrigues.

 

SERGEY ALEXANDROVICH NILUS

In 1902, Rachkovsky became involved in a court intrigue in St. Petersburg which also involved the future editor of the Protocols - Sergey Alexandrovich Nilus. Nilus, a man wholly dedicated to Orthodoxy and the concept of a "Holy Russia," was the perfect picture of the classic Russian - a huge man with a long, flowing gray beard and deep blue eyes. He had a veiled and somewhat troubled look. He wore boots and a simple peasants shirt with a belt which had a prayer embroidered on it. In character he was capricious, unruly, and despotic. He fancied himself a mystic and a heaven sent defender of "Holy Russia." He repudiated modern civilization and saw it as a conspiracy of the powers of darkness. He had become a systematic "anti-rationalist."

 

The intrigue was directed against a Frenchman named Phillippi who, like Rasputin after him, had established himself at the Russian Imperial Court as a "faith-healer;" he had become the idol and spiritual guide for the Czar and Czarina. Rachkovsky and Nilus both took part in the intrigue against Phillippi, and on the same side. Phillippi was cherished, flattered, and almost worshipped by the Imperial family, but he also had powerful enemies - the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna and the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna. To break Phillippi, they had turned to Rachkovsky. Thanks to the relations which he had so carefully cultivated with the French police, Rachkovsky was able to develop an incriminating file on Phillippi.

 

The intrigue against Phillippi involved Nilus as the central player. Nilus, who had lost his entire fortune in riotous living while living in France as a young man, had returned to Russia and had adopted the life of a perpetual pilgrim, wandering from monastery to monastery. Around 1900 he wrote a book which described how he had been converted from atheistic intellectualism to a fervent believer in Orthodoxy. The book came to the attention of the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna. Nilus was accordingly summoned to St. Petersburg at the end of 1901 and the court clique surrounding Rachkovsky and Feodorovna hit upon the following plan: Nilus was to be formally ordained as an Orthodox priest and then married to one of the Czarinas ladies-in-waiting, Yelena Alexandrovna Ozerova. A concerted effort was then to be made to impose Nilus on the Czar and Czarina as their confessor; if it had succeeded, Phillippi would have been removed.

 

It was an ingenious plan, but Phillippis supporters were able to counter it. They drew attention to Nilus's immoral past - Nilus had been (and still was) a notorious womanizer; as a result, Nilus fell into disgrace and was forced to leave the court. Nilus, who was then aged forty-seven, made his way to the great monastery of Optina Pustyn. There he and his dependents - which included his usual retinue of women (of which his new bride was now a part) - found permanent lodging in four rooms of a large villa located on the grounds of the famous monastery. The rest of the villa was employed as a home for cripples, idiots, and the mentally ill who lived there in the hope of a miraculous cure.

 

If the intrigue had failed in its original intent, it did accomplish one thing: it had brought together Rachkovsky and Nilus and established a relationship between the two which was to have a profound effect on the future course of the world.

 

THE GENESIS OF THE PROTOCOLS

Between 1894 and 1899, France was rocked by the arrest and imprisonment of Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a Jew who had been falsely accused of selling French military secrets to the Germans. During this same period, Russia was moving inexorably in the direction of revolution. It was during this period that Rachkovsky hit upon a plan to take des Mousseauxs anti-Semitic material, weave it into an obscure play entitled Dialogue by Maurice Joly, and create thereby the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - and by doing so to lay the blame for all the unrest in Russia on the Jews. The French military authorities had been doing just that insofar as the Dreyfus affair was concerned, and by 1895 it looked as if they had been successful in transferring the blame for Frances sorrowful military condition from themselves to Dreyfus and the Jews. Rachkovsky reasoned that if it had worked so well for the French, why then not for the Russians? And this is precisely what Rachkovsky was attempting to do in forging the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

 

THE DIALOGUE AND THE PROTOCOLS

Maurice Joly, the author of Dialogue, had conceived the idea of the play during a time when it was forbidden to criticize the despotic regime of Napoleon III. In order to avoid press censorship, Joly had developed the idea of writing an imagined dialogue between the great champion of the French Enlightenment, Montesquieu, and the infamous Italian cynic, Machivelli. Montesquieu was to present the case for democracy, liberalism, and reform. Machivelli would defend the position of cynical despotism and Napoleon III. In this way he thought that he could criticize the Emperor. But the play, which was published in Brussels, was confiscated in Paris. Joly was arrested by the agents of Napoleon III and his writings were suppressed. In despair, Joly committed suicide in 1879.

 

But Jolys play was indeed an admirable work - incisive, ruthless, and logically and beautifully constructed. The debate is opened by Montesquieu who argues that in the present age, the enlightenment ideas of liberalism had made despotism, which Montesquieu argued had always been immoral, impractical as well. But Machivelli replies with such eloquence and at such length that he dominates the rest of the play. Machivelli argues that the great mass of people are simply incapable of governing themselves; normally, they are inert and only too happy to be ruled by a strong man. Machivelli maintains that the concepts of politics have never had anything to do with morality and insofar as practicality is concerned, the inventions of the modern world were better suited to the imposition of despotism than democracy. Moreover, the people in actuality desired despotism. The forces that might oppose the despots rule could be dealt with easily enough: the press could be censored and political opponents could be watched by the police.

 

So long as the despot dazzled the people with his prestige, he could be sure of their support. Such is the book that inspired the forger of the Protocols. He plagiarized it shamelessly. In all, about one-half of the entire text of the Protocols is clearly based on passages from Joly. In nine of the chapters, the borrowings amount to more than half of the text; in some they amount to three-quarters; in one (Protocol VII) they amount to the entire text. Moreover, with less than a dozen exceptions, the order of the borrowed passages remains the same as it was in Jolys play, as though the forger had worked through the Dialogue mechanically, page by page, copying straight into the Protocols as he proceeded. Even the arrangement in the chapters is much the same - the twenty-four chapters of the Protocols corresponding roughly to the twenty-five chapters of the Dialogue. Only towards the end, where the prophecy of the anti-Christian "Messianic Age" of Antichrist appears, does the forger allow himself any real independence of thought. [Please see Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide (New York: Harper and Row) for a lengthy comparison between the Protocols and the Dialogue.]

 

NILUS AND THE PROTOCOLS

Rachkovsky entrusted the finished forgery to Yulina Glinka, his agent in Switzerland. She then transferred it to Rachkovskys old friend, Sergey Nilus at Optina Pustyn. Nilus was enthralled and totally taken in by the ruse. Rachkovsky had reasoned that if anyone could be duped by the intrigue and find a way of publishing the Protocols, Nilus would be the man. Rachkovsky had not reasoned in vain.

 

Alexander du Chayla, a Frenchman who visited Nilus at Optina Pustyn during this time, has left an account of how truly fooled Nilus was by Rachkovskys forgery. Du Chayla writes:

 

"Nilus took (the Protocols) from the shelf and began to (read to me) ... the most remarkable passages of the text and of his own commentaries. At the same time he watched the expression on my face, for he assumed that I would be dumbfounded by the revelation. He was rather upset when I told him that this was nothing new to me ...

 

"Nilus was shaken and disappointed by this. He retorted that I took this view because my knowledge ... (of these things) was superficial and fragmentary. It was absolutely necessary that I should feel the full impact. And it would be easy for me to get to know the Protocols because the original was in French.

 

"Nilus did not keep the (actual) manuscript of the Protocols in his house for fear lest it be stolen by the Jews. I recall how amused I was by his perturbation when a Jewish chemist of Kozelsk, taking a walk with a friend in the monastery forest and trying to find the quickest route to the ferry, happened to stray into Nilus's garden. Poor Nilus! He was convinced for a long time afterwards that the chemist had come to carry out a reconnaissance.

 

"Some time after our first conversation about the Protocols, one afternoon about four o'clock, one of the patients from Nilus's home ... brought me a letter: Nilus was asking me to come and see him on an urgent matter. (He was at last prepared to show me the actual manuscript - the original - of the Protocols).

 

"I found Sergey in his study. He was alone ... Dusk was falling, but it was still light for the earth was covered with snow. I noticed on his writing-table something like a rather large envelope, made of black material and decorated with a big triple cross with the inscription: "In this sign you shall conquer". A little picture of St. Michael, in paper, was also stuck in the envelope. Quite clearly all this was intended as an exorcism.

 

"Sergey crossed himself three times before the great icon of the Mother of God ... and opened the envelope, from which he took a leather-bound notebook ...

 

"Here it is, said Nilus, the charter of the Kingdom of Antichrist.

 

"He opened the notebook ... The text was written in French by various hands and, it seemed to me, with different inks.

 

"You see, said Nilus, during the sessions of the secret Jewish government, at different times, various people filled the office of secretary, hence the different handwritings.

 

"After showing me the manuscript, Sergey placed it on the table ... and said: Well, now read!... While reading the manuscript, I was struck by certain peculiarities in the text. There were some spelling mistakes and above all, some expressions which were not French [Du Chayla was a native Frenchman, while the forger, Rachkovsky, was Russian and spoke French only as a second language - editor.] Clearly the manuscript was written by a foreigner ... It took me two and a half hours to read the document ... (Finally) Sergey wanted to know what impression my reading had produced on me. I told him straight out that I (still) stood by my previous judgment. I didn't really believe in the Elders of Zion.

 

"Nilus's face clouded. You really are under the influence of the Devil, he said. Satan greatest ruse is to make people deny (these things) ... What will you say now if I show you how what is said in the Protocols is being fulfilled, how the mysterious sign of the coming of Antichrist appears on all sides, how the imminent advent of his kingdom can be felt everywhere?" Then he proceeded to the exhibits in the case. He opened the chest. Inside there were, in an indescribable state of disorder, detachable collars, India rubbers, household utensils, insignia of various technical colleges, even the cipher of the Empress Alexandra Feodorovna and the Cross of the Legions dhonheur. On all these objects Nilus detected, in his hallucination, the seal of Antichrist, in the form of a triangle or of two superimposed triangles ... If an object bore a trademark even vaguely suggesting a triangle, that was enough to secure it entry to his museum ...

 

"With increasing excitement and anxiety, in the grip of a sort of mysterious terror, Nilus explained to me that the sign of the Son of Perdition is now contaminating all things, that it shines even from the scrolls of the great icon behind the altar in the Church of the Hermitage ... I felt a sort of fear. It was now past midnight. The gaze, the voice, the reflex-like gestures - everything about Nilus - gave me the feeling that he was walking on the edge of a (mental) abyss and that at any moment his reason might disintegrate into madness." [A. du Chayla in La Tribune Juive, pgs 3-4.]

 

Clearly, then, Nilus really believed in the Protocols and in the myth of the "Jewish-World Conspiracy." Rachkovsky had done his work well in choosing as his agent the mentally deranged Sergey Nilus.

 

Nilus soon arranged to have the book passed by the Moscow Censorship Committee on September 28, 1905 and it appeared in print a short time later attached to a commentary by Nilus called The Root of Our Troubles - meaning, of course, the Illuminati, i.e., the Jews. Nilus's star quickly rose at the Imperial Court as a result, and the Metropolitan (Archbishop) of Moscow ordered a sermon quoting Nilus's version of the Protocols to be read in all 368 churches of Moscow. This was duly done on October 16, 1905 and the sermon was promptly reprinted throughout all of Russia.

 

THE PROTOCOLS AND THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION

From 1905 onward, anti-Semitism took a decidedly different turn; no longer was it confined to religious circles; it had clearly burst those old bounds and had begun to flow in new and much more dangerous channels - so much so that agents of the government began to find it convenient to invent Jewish names for all the Autocracy's opponents. From any kind of a factual standpoint, this was nonsense; to be sure, Jews were involved in the revolutionary movements of the time, but they played no greater role than many other minorities who were likewise persecuted by the hated Autocracy.

 

The Protocols were republished in 1911 and 1912; but it was not until 1917 (at the time of the Revolution) that they really took off under a new title: He is Near, at the Door ... Here Comes Antichrist.*

 

The 1917 version was distributed as a pocket-sized pamphlet to the soldiers of the "White Armies" during the Revolution; most, therefore, came to believe that the Revolution had been the product of a Jewish conspiracy; and that Lenin, Trotsky, and the Red Army were nothing more than puppets in this vast plot, an intrigue which was - like the French Revolution before it - ultimately under the control of the "Illuminati."

 

After the defeat of the "Whites," thousands of them fled as expatriates to Western Europe, carrying with them their pocket-sized Protocols - and it was this rendition of the Protocols - with the imprimatur of the Czarist government on it's cover - which found itself onto the pages of the Times of London and other newspapers and magazines in the West; and more, it was this version which Russian émigrés carried with them to America after the final collapse of their forces in the Crimean Peninsula in 1922. TO THESE EMIGRES, THE WAR IN RUSSIA HAD BEEN A CONTEST WHICH HAD PITTED "CHRISTIAN RUSSIA" AGAINST THE POWER OF SATANIC ILLUMINISM, and it was this mindset, along with their pocket-sized copies of the Protocols, which they brought to this country - and it is precisely this myth which Pat Robertson and others are using today as a means to galvanize Christians into political action aimed at taking back the country for "Christ and the church." To be sure, the references to the Jews have been dropped and "code words" adopted (i.e., "secular-humanism,liberals,Illuminists," etc.), but the myth is the same - and there, lurking in the background, are still the Jews.

 

Some Christians, no doubt, will have a difficult time believing that their leaders could have "hooked into" such a deadly mythology - that certainly the story which Robertson has described in the pages of The New World Order is different from that which Hitler used to bewitch the German people. The sad answer is, it's not! And it's not just that there exists a good deal of evidence which suggests the parallel nature of the two mythologies [i.e., Hitler's and Robertson's (minus the naked references to the Jews and the overt racism which characterized German fascism)] - but the fact is, it's relatively easy to prove the relationship between the two (i.e., Robertson's version and Hitler's version) by tracing the trail of the original mythology from Russia - where it first surfaced as a full-blown story - to Germany and ultimately to the United States. From there, it is not particularly difficult to follow its path up through the years straight to Pat Robertson and others in the Christian Right today. Many have done so. For example, take Professor Donald S. Strong of the University of Texas. As early as 1941 he wrote,

 

"... it is important to note here that the ideology spread by ... (enthusiasts of the Illuminati Myth) in the United States is the same as that which accompanied certain political developments in Russia before World War I, in Poland and Hungary shortly after that war, and more recently in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy (and finally here in the United States)." [Donald Strong, Organized Anti-Semitism in America (New York: Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1941), pg. 1.]

 

THE TORTURED PATH OF THE ILLUMINATI MYTH

Strong continues,

 

"The appearance of this ideology (i.e., the Illuminati Myth) in postwar Hungary is of interest because, before World War I, anti-Semitism was almost unknown there ... It was during the crushing of the short lived ... (Communist) regime (in Budapest) that the antirevolutionary, anti-Semitic ideology made its (first) appearance. Here, as in postwar Russia, the ideology was not used as a means of elite defense; instead an old elite (i.e., the aristocracy and the large landholders) temporarily dislodged (by Bela Kun and the socialists), employed it as a means of discrediting the new revolutionary (i.e., communist) elite and justifying its (i.e., the aristocracy's) own return to power. Thus, in the name of this antirevolutionary, anti-Semitic ideology, the White Terror was directed not only against the ... (communists) in general and the few Jewish Bolsheviks (who were connected to them), but against all the half million Jews in Hungary. The speedy association of (the) Jews ... with the) Bolsheviks in the (Illuminist) ideology came about partly from the spread of the ideology from the White Russians and partly from the fact that Bela Kun and several other leaders of the revolution actually were Jews." [Donald Strong, Organized Anti-Semitism in America (New York: Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1941), pg. 6.]

 

From Hungary, the myth then spread into Germany. Like Russia, there had been a history of anti-Semitism in the Reich; but like Russia again, the anti-Semitism which had manifested itself prior to the First World War was more religious than it was political. Moreover, the anti-Semitism which had taken hold in Germany prior to the war had existed principally only in the lower classes. The middle and upper classes were relatively free of the scourge. Indeed, Bismarck, an aristocrat, had been responsible for launching a campaign in the latter part of the nineteenth century which had aimed at the full integration of the Jewish community into all aspects of German life. There was, of course, some resistance: in 1871 Professor August Rohling, a theologian, produced Der Talmudjude which represented Judaism as a devilish doctrine; in 1878, Adolf Stocker, the court preacher, founded the anti-Semitic Christian Social Labor Party; and finally - in connection with the Kulturkampf - the Catholic Church initiated a crusade which aimed at blaming the Jews for its troubles with Bismarck. But all in all, the population embraced Jewish assimilation as a measure whose time had come - modernity seemed to demand it. Nonetheless, despite this history of toleration, Germany - like Russia, Poland and Hungary before it - succumbed quickly to the allure of the Illuminati Myth and the political anti-Semitism which the myth inevitably unleashed; and in this respect, the German experience differed from the others only insofar as the "Communist Revolution" never really took hold in Germany.

 

While the Spartacists - a radical group of German Socialists under Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxumburg - threatened the government in Berlin for three months in the winter of 1918-1919, and Socialists seized power in Munich for a brief period, they were all quickly swept away. Unlike Poland, Hungary and Russia, no real military threat ever materialized in Germany. The catalyst in Germany was profound economic distress. Strong writes,

 

"The more menacing the ... (economic situation) became, the stronger the Nazis grew, ever professing to be defenders of the existing social order against revolutionary chaos." [Donald S. Strong, Organized Anti-Semitism in America (Washington, D.C.: American Council on Public Affairs, 1940), pp. 83-108.]

 

The Protocols are such a transparent forgery that one may wonder how it was that they spread so fast throughout the Christian West. The fact remains, however, that multitudes of people who were by no means insane took them very seriously at the time - after all, the government of one of the greatest nations in the world, Imperial Russia, had attested in unequivocal terms to their authenticity. Indeed, the Times of London editorialized, "What are these Protocols? Are they authentic? If so, what malevolent assembly concocted these plans and gloated over their exposition? ... Have we by straining every fiber of our national body escaped a Pax Germanica only to fall into a Pax Judaica?"

 

But shortly thereafter, the myth began to unravel. On August 18, 1921, the Times of London, which had done so much to spread the myth, took the lead in unraveling it by devoting a resounding editorial admitting its error. The Times had just published in its issues of August 16, 17, and 18 a lengthy dispatch from its correspondent in Constantinople, Philip Graves, which revealed the fact that the Protocols were nothing more than a clumsy forgery copied from Maurice Joly's play, Dialogue aux Enfers entre Montesquieu et Machiavel.

 

[Guest guest]

the entire reason for the secret societies

was to retain control.

 

the royal and noble houses of europe had become

very frightened of the new weaponery, explosives,

rifles, etc.

 

previously counts,kings,barons,dukes, could be safe

behind a phalanx of soldiers bearing swords,crossbows,

shields,lances,etc.

 

no longer, the new weapons could be used from a distance,

pierce shields,or blow up castles.

 

since the nobility rules harshly,serfdom being unpopular

among serfs, they were in a bad position.

 

therefore they came up with a method of retaining control

of their countries without seeming to be the ones

in control.

 

they needed a mechanism to control the people and economies,

so two things were used, republics or rule by governments instead of royalty, and a method to insure secret control

of the governments.

 

Freemasonry was the answer, it put forth an ideology of

divine sanction and divine purpose of it's leaders and members, specifically that the biblical patriarchs

and king David and Jesus were all in a geneological

line that has been preserved, and that the royalty

and nobility were descended and empowered by divine

sanction.

 

more to come.

 

[Kulapavana]

Good has no reason to hide and needs no secrecy. Evil needs all the help it can get to hide it's ugly face. The noble kings fought their enemies openly, while asuras used cheap theatrics and sneaky moves. This is the age of Kali: the shadows in the dark are far more likely to carry poison than medicine.

[Guest guest]

cont.

 

then they created rituals,rules,dogma(from

a variety of esoteric sources that were popular

among the intelligentsia) and purpose.

 

the purpose was to control as much of government and

society as possible, the reasoning being that they were

on a holy mission.

 

the membership into freemasonry could only come about if you were invited,you couldn't just walk in.

 

the membership was given to the elites,government officials,

military leaders,polic leaders, economic leaders,

all across the spectrum of society the leaders were

invited to join, due to the presence of the elite

members of the noble houses and royalty who would

or could afford to decline an invitation ?

 

This was so effective that all the generals in the

american revolution under George Washington belonged

to freemason lodges, including washington.

 

http://watch.pair.com/mason.html#us

 

for the mason involvement in the founding of america.

 

 

recent attempts to outlaw mason affiliation

in British government.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/143258.stm

 

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/petesawyer/Lords.htm

 

 

 

 

 

"The committee feels that the link between Cosa Nostra and institutions is mostly through the "Massoneria" (freemasonry):

 

The fundamental terrain on which the link between Cosa Nostra with public officials and private professions was created and reinforced is the Massoneria. The Massoneria bond serves to keep the relationship continuous and organic. The admission of members of Cosa Nostra, even at high levels, in Massoneria is not an occassional or episodical one, but a strategic choice. The oath of allegence to Cosa Nostra remains the pivot point around which "uomini d'onore" (men of honor) are prominently held. But the Massoneria associations offer the mafia a formidible instrument to extend their own power, to obtain favors and privileges in every field: both for the conclusion of big business and "fixing trials", as many collaborators with justice have revealed.

 

Commissione Parlamentare d'inchiesta sul fenomeno della mafia e sulle altre associazioni criminali similari

(CPA: Commissione Parlamentare Antimafia)

Relazione sui Rapporti tra Mafia e Politica, Page 59

Roma, 1993

 

 

for more on the mafia mason european union

connection.

http://www.justresponse.net/DougalWatt3Sep02.html

 

[Guest guest]

a bit more on jews ,

 

srivatsa's article rely's on non experts like

koeslter.

 

he states that 90% of jews are Khazarian converts

and not ethnically jewish.

 

this is not a fact.

 

while khazarian tribes did convert to judaism,there

has been a long time presence of jews all over europe

not just spain.

 

there are records of large jewish communites in athens,turkey , all over eastern europe and western europe

during the time of alexander, in rome and all over

the roman empire in europe.

 

after the various inquisitions in spain and western europe the jews either went underground with fake converting

to christianity or moved east and north.

 

the askhenazi jews are the eastern european jews,

which in fact are a mix of jews from ancient times

through the middle ages, including khazars,and jews migrating from israel,turkey,greece,armenia, and western

and northern europe in response to persecution.

 

not that it matters anyways, jews were originaly different tribes from various places and never a single ethnic

or racial stock or even cultural stock.

 

as far as the talmud, yes it has all types of

obviously racist or supremacist doctrines,

but that is not the sole province of judaism,

most if not all religious dogmas make a claim

of superiority to all others, the jewish texts

are no different.

 

Catholics believe they are God's chosen rulers,

the same with mormons,pentacostals,muslims,

or just about any theological world view.

 

The idea of the jews being especially different

because of their belief in being god's chosen,

is contradicted by christians who insist that

jesus is the only way,or muslims who insist that

muhammed is the only way,or Darwinist who claim

all believers are fools and beneath them and should be

ruled by them.

 

at the end of srivatsa's article he quotes a

person who says that for jews ,money is worshipped.

 

this shows the intent of the article,

not to be an accurate assessment,

but to present a polemic against jews,

as if jews are somehow alone in

worshipping money among the mass

of people in money based economies,

show me a group of people

who do not spend their time trying to acumulate

or enjoy wealth and i'll show

you enlightened souls, i'm sure

that leaves out 99.9999999999999%

of everyone on this planet.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

http://www.greecetravel.com/jewishhistory/ancient.html

 

 

Archeology has solved two of the greatest archeological problems: First what happened to the hundreds, of thousands, of Israelites, who disappeared south of the 'Caucasus mountains;' and second, what was the origin of the "Cimmerians," and the mysterious nomadic tribes Known as, "Scythians," who suddenly appeared, north of the "Caucasus mountains," both at the same time in history. They were one, and the same people, they were the Israelites.

Our history books pick up the story at this point, recording the westward migrations of the "Scythians," as they came into collision with the "Cimmerians," who had earlier settled west of the Black Sea. Their kinship was lost over the centuries. The ensuing battles forced the "Cimmerians" west and north to become the "Celts, Gauls, and the Cimbri." By the end of the fourth century B.C., the "Scythians" had established themselves as the great and prosperous nation of "Scythia."

 

Later, the Sarmations (these were a mixed non-Israelitish people of Iranian origin), they in turn , drove the Scythians northwest, to the shores of the Baltic Sea.. At this time in history, we find that the Romans introduced the name, "Germans", in place of the name, "Scythians", in order not to confuse the "Scythians," with the "Sarmations," who now occupied "Scythia.German" became the "Latin" name for "Genuine," which indicates that, the "Germans were the genuine Scythians."

 

During this time the "Celts" were expanding in all directions, from central "Europe." Some of the Celts invaded Italy and sacked Rome in 390 B. C.. Another group moved back into Asia Minor in 280 B. C. , and the Greeks Called them "Galations," as they did another group of Celts, who had settled in "Gaul," or what is now "France."

 

 

 

 

Some of the "Celts" moved into "Spain," and became known as the "Iberes," the "Gaelic" name for "Hebrews". Others poured into "Britain," to form the bedrock of the "British race." Later the "Iberes" moved into "Ireland" as "Scots," and later into northern "Britain," to establish the nation of "Scotland."

 

Your history books also record the "Germanic tribes,"breaking up into many divisions. These divisions were the "Angles," the "Saxons," the "Jutes," the "Danes," the "Vikings," to name just a few. The "Jutes" simply means the "Jews". "Jutland," which is in "Europe," means "Jews Land". People who remember World War Two, probably will remember the "Battle of Jutland." Other "Germanic tribes" later poured into lands vacated by the "Celts," and established the "Gothic nations" of the "Vandals," the "Lombards," the "Franks," the "Burgundians," and others

 

Among the Celts, the religion depended principally on the Druids. One can even say it was the religion of the Druids. It was practiced not only in Great Britain, in Ireland, and in Gaul, but wherever the Celtic peoples had settled. The Druidic priesthood formed its head, with, according to the writings of the ancients, a power and prestige seldom equaled.

 

The Druids held an eminent place in Gaulic society. Mr. Pernoud declares: “The Druids . . . were priests and it was their priestly functions which assured their prestige. They offered sacrifices; Pliny recounts the sacrifice of white bullocks which had never known the yoke, as a tribute to the famous Cueillette Du Gui” (Les Gaulois, Pernoud, p. 154).

 

Merely on the basis of these few indications, one has already established an irrefutable base of comparison between the religion of the Celts and that of ancient Israel. Other writers, ancient as well as modern, collaborate with the statements of Pernoud, and give even more ample details. Zeller says:

 

“They [the Druids] passed as the most just of men and were the arbiters of public and private disputes . . . . What especially appertained to them was the judgment of crimes and murders” (La Gaule et les Gaulois, Zeller, pp. 37-38).

 

 

 

There is only one people, ancient Israel, whose religion required that the priesthood be the arbiter of public and private disputes.

This striking parallel between the practice of the Druids and that of the Levitical priesthood is very significant,

 

“If a cause relative to a murder, a dispute, a wound, appears too difficult to judge and causes a dispute in your gates . . . go to the sacrificers, the Levites . . . and they will make known the sentence,” Deuteronomy 17:8-11.

 

At first, ancient Israel (which includes the tribe of Judah) conformed to the sentence thus rendered, and acted as the priests taught.

 

The Druids, as the Levites, were under the orders of a high priest (La Gaule et les Gaulois, Zeller, p. 39), however among the Druids succession to the post was not necessarily a question of heredity. But this should not be surprising; Jeroboam, in his time, had already succeeded in abolishing the Levitical priesthood to replace it with another group, a semblance of a priesthood who had to obey the orders and desires of the king! (I Kings 12:31).

 

This post of high chief (“Arch-Druid”) corresponded to that of “high priest” in the Levitical priesthood.

 

 

http://www.geocities.com/hiberi/language.html

connection in language between jews and celts.

 

the jews are not a single race,or people,

judaism as a religion is a mix of Vedic,Babylonian,

Egyptian and other theologies, the jews as a

single people and religion have never existed,

to claim a history of jews that leaves out

the above stuff and other Vedic linkages

is useless.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

that was me.

[Guest guest]

so who were these israelites moving into europe ?

 

http://www.originofnations.org/HRP_Papers/Note%20on%20the%20Hyksos.htm

[Guest guest]

to get the full story of the hyksos,hurrians,assryians,

mittani ,aryan connection to israel.

 

 

 

http://www.viewzone.com/abraham.html

 

http://www.viewzone.com/phoenician.html

[Jagat]

VNN published my original article with the following caveat:

[Editor's note: VNN is the most visited Vaisnava web site in the world because of its open and fair publication policy. Many times controversial in nature, VNN has taken heat from almost all sections of the Hare Krsna movement for this policy. It should be noted here that VNN editorials are not written by VNN editors, but are called "editorials" as they represent opinion rather than news.

 

VNN policy is known to publish editorials with many opposing views, most not shared by the editors, sometimes to expose certain conceptions present in the movement to give the Vaisnava community the opportunity to challenge or offer a different viewpoint to what may be misconceptions that exist in the Hare Krsna movement -- but without offending great vaisnavas.

 

VNN usually does not publish "kill the messenger" articles that attack VNN instead of the issue of a text published on VNN. VNN has received some 20 emails strongly protesting a published editorial, some demanding its removal and others the publication of what they see as a rebuttal of said editorial.

 

Following is the text, which was originally rejected by VNN editors, not because of its conclusions, but because, amongst other things, its presentation of the beliefs of the founder acarya of ISKCON as part of the "lunatic fringe" of the movement. For obvious reasons, such texts are normally not published on VNN.

 

It apears that to some, criticism of pure Vaisnava acaryas and the most sacred Vaisnava scriptures, such as Srimad Bhagavatam, is more acceptable than criticism of a particular mundane bodily designation. - end editorial note]

 

Dear Prabhus,

 

I see that you published my editorial with a caveat. I appreciate your reservations, but I would like to say the following:

 

(1) Since my criticism was a very serious one and I was obviously ready to start causing trouble, why did you not write back to me to let me know that I should revise the article according to your reservations? I did in fact receive the same or similar comments from several people and I wrote a "patch" which was published on Chakra. I find it hard to believe that you don't visit Chakra from time to time and so I am sure you saw it.

 

You are EDITORS, so this is part of the job.

 

(2) If you had such a great concern for the disrespect shown to Srila Prabhupada (who was unnamed) in my later, why did you not show the same concern when it came to Srivatsa's original letters? You are sensitive to criticisms of Prabhupada, even indirect, but not aware of the damage that anti-Semitic ideas could cause to the movement as a whole. This is not proof of good judgment.

 

Your servant,

 

Jagadananda Das.

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Makow - Did Rothschild

Write The Protocols Of Zion?

Lucifer Triumphant, Mankind Enslaved

By Henry Makow PhD

9-21-3

 

 

 

Many people think "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is anti Semitic "hate literature" and a fraud.

 

Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote that the book exhibits "the mind of genius." This is pretty unusual for a fraud.

 

Solzhenitsyn said it exhibits "great strength of thought and insight...Its design...(increasing freedom and liberalism, which is terminated in social cataclysm)...is well above the abilities of an ordinary mind...It is more complicated than a nuclear bomb." http://www.rense.com/general32/elders.htm

 

I'm afraid Protocols may be genuine. They are lectures addressed to Jewish Luciferians (Illuminati, Freemasons) detailing an incredible plan to overthrow western civilization, subjugate mankind, and concentrate "all the wealth of the world...in our hands."

 

The book, typical of similar Illuminati documents, was leaked to the Czarist Secret police and published in Russia in 1905.

 

The issue of anti Semitism diverts attention from this plot which has been unfolding for over 200 years and is behind world government, September 11, Iraq, Homeland Security and the bogus "War on Terror." FAIT ACCOMPLI

 

The plotters control the world's wealth. Their multinational corporations have Freemason symbols for logos. Shell and Citibank have the rising sun; Exxon the double cross, CBS and Time Warner the eye of Horus; Alcan and AOL, the circle in the triangle.

 

The mass media, education and politics all create an illusion of democracy in order to control and defraud humanity. The Great Seal of the United States reflects the unhappy truth. It is also a Freemason symbol and bears the inscription "We have achieved New World Order." Almost all American Presidents including George W. Bush are Freemasons or Illuminati. http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/US_Presidents/US_Presidents03.htm

 

Israel's Star of David (interlaced triangles) is the Masonic symbol for the double divinity, Adonai and Lucifer.

 

The issue of anti Semitism is irrelevant because Jewish and non-Jewish Luciferians have intermarried. (See Milan Martin, Lucifer's Children p.74) The elite now consists of humanity-haters of all stripes. No wonder corruption is endemic. As the Greeks say, the fish rots from the head.

 

ROTHSCHILD

 

Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812) played a key role in advancing this monstrous conspiracy. He was a follower of the occult Cabbalism (or Lucifer worship) that is the basis of Illuminism and Freemasonry. (See Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/moralsanddogma.html )

 

Researchers have speculated that Adam Weishaupt or Asher Ginzberg penned Protocols. I think it may have been Rothschild himself. I came to this conclusion after reading Protocols 20-23, the "financial programme... the crowning and the decisive point of our plans." These lectures require considerable knowledge of banking and finance. Moreover the author states that all power ultimately will reside in the "King of the Jews," which is how Rothschild was known.

 

THE SOURCE OF POWER

 

The author makes clear that whoever creates money is sovereign. He ridicules the goyim kings for forfeiting this power and says he doesn't intend to repeat this mistake." When we come into our Kingdom," the government will change from being "a payer of tribute by loan operations...into a lender at a profit."

 

"This measure will stop the stagnation of money, parasitic profits, and idleness which were useful for us among the goyim so long as they were independent but are not desirable under our rule."

 

The Protocols is full of Talmudic contempt for non-Jews. "How clear is the undeveloped power of thought of the purely brute brains of the goyim...What could have been simpler than to take the money they wanted from their own people? "...We "will put an end to those abuses to which we owe our mastery over the goyim, but which cannot be allowed in our Kingdom." (178)

 

(I am using the L. Fry edition of The Protocols, entitled Waters Flowing Eastward, available from gsgbooks@mindspring.com)

 

 

COMMUNISM, SOCIALISM, LIBERALISM, FEMINISM

 

Similarly the bankers have financed intellectuals and politicians to promote a mania for "senseless utopian principles" like "collectivism,freedom of conscience, equality and the like." (182) They are designed to bring down the Old Order but will have no place in the New.

 

"We have set them on the hobbyhorse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by ...collectivism...They have never yet and they never will reflect that this hobbyhorse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality..." (159)

 

"The purely brute mind of the goyim is incapable of analysis and observation...Their eyes are open but see nothing before them..." (160)

 

"Everything in this world is in a state of submission... to what is stronger. And so shall we be this something stronger for the sake of good." (163)

 

 

THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION

 

Estonian journalist Juri Lina has examined the recently opened Soviet archives and documented the connection between the Bolshevik Revolution and Jewish Illuminism in his book "Under the Sign of the Scorpion." (1994)

 

I will probably devote a separate column to this book. Suffice to say here that Communism was the outcome of the plan outlined in Protocols. No wonder this book was banned in the USSR on pain of death! Its informal ban in America is a measure of our condition.

 

Karl Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, were all Jewish Freemasons, dysfunctional losers who were employed by the Illuminist bankers to hoodwink the masses. Lenin for example had been an unsuccessful lawyer who had only six cases in which he defended shoplifters. He lost all six cases. A week later he gave up the law to become a highly paid revolutionary.

 

Lenin declared: "Peace means quite simply the domination of Communism over the entire world." His reign of terror caused nine million deaths but you never see him compared with Hitler. The secret police, the Cheka, dominated by Jews, published the names of 1.7 million people they murdered in 1918-1919, including 300,000 priests.

 

"A river of blood flowed through Russia," Lina writes. "According to official Soviet Reports, 1,695,904 people were executed from January 1921 to April 1922. Among these victims were bishops, professors, doctors, officers, policemen, lawyers, civil servants, writers...Their crime was 'anti social thinking' " (90)

 

CONCLUSION

 

Jews will never understand anti Semitism until they realize it is not always based on irrational prejudice.

 

In 1920, Winston Churchill made a distinction between national and "International Jews." He said the latter have been behind "a worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality...

 

It played ... a part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band... have gripped the Russian people by the hair and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

 

Our culture, not The Protocols, is a fraud. Communist Jews set an example for the Nazis. Luciferians like Rothschild, Lenin and Hitler still control the planet and are determined to enslave humanity. I'm afraid that this will become increasingly evident. I pray I am wrong.

 

 

Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His past articles on feminism and the new world order can be found at his web site www.savethemales.ca He welcomes your comments at henry@savethemales.ca

 

[Jagat]

To reiterate my objections to Srivatsa's article.

 

(1) Anti-Semitism is not or should not be a concern for Vaishnavas.

 

(2) Anti-Semitism is a heinous doctrine that has led to some of the worst crimes in history. Whatever our political opinions, any doctrine that identifies a single minority group in terms of evil is hate-speech and is reprehensible.

 

(I am not against a critique of Judaism or Israeli policy per se, even though I do not think it is or should be a concern for Vaishnavas.)

 

(3) There is a danger to the movement of being branded anti-Semitic, which is an unpleasant identity to have and undermines its credibility in a most terrible way. If you feel that we should use anti-Semitism to attract new devotees, then that is a strategy that strikes me as inherently evil.

[Kulapavana]

I agree with all 3 of your points Jagat prabhu. People should be judged based on their deeds, not ethnicity. Yet people fighting the "anti-semitism disease" should not ignore facts which fuel such "anti-semitic" sentiments, as this makes them as blind and biased as the original offenders. When some Jewish "businessman" opens a bank in Russia or Poland, promises big returns on deposits and then runs away to Israel with all the money and you can't do anything about it - he is going to create a lot "anti-semites" among his investors... In cases like that fighting such "anti-semitism" does not strike me as a Vedic idea of justice.

 

Your point about our Movement aquiring a bad "anti-semitic" smell due to the actions of a few misguided people is extremely valid. We must make sure we are seen as above such material nonsence. Such views have to be vigorusly debated and exposed using solid philosophy, not another set of mundane sentiments.