Perspectives on the Sarasvata parampara

[Jahnava Nitai Das]

This thread has gone on for 250 posts and all participants have presented their views. It has come to the point that the discussion just repeats itself in various ways, as two previous threads on this subject had done in the past.

 

It is clear this thread was not started by an innocent follower of Srila Prabhupada with sincere doubts. While posing in this manner, Gaurasundar clearly and firmly believes Prabhupada's parampara was fabricated and that Prabhupada was incorrect in what he taught about the parampara. In reality, while pretending to be someone with sincere doubts, it is an agenda post to propagate the idea that Bhaktisiddhanta's line is fabricated.

 

On September 19th Gaurasundar made the claim that no line in Vedic tradition had a Siksha link, that all lines were based only on diksha:

By the way, are you aware that no Vaishnava school anywhere has a siksa-parampara? No Madhva, no Ramanuja, no Vallabha, no Nimabarki, no nothing. Not even the "mayavadi" Sankara. All their paramparas are based on diksa. So Bhaktisiddhanta's judgment is not just against the whole Gaudiya tradition, it is against the whole of the Vedic ones too.

 

 

It took 17 days before Gaurasundar would finally admit he was wrong on such a simple point, despite extensive evidence being provided daily.

 

And when he finally admitted he was wrong (after defending the absurd statement for 17 days), he tried to pretend he didn't mean what he said, that he just didn't phrase his statement properly:

Sure. I was wrong in stating that there were no examples of siksa-paramparas anywhere. I should have clarified my statement to mean that initiation in sampradayas today as well as in the age of the respective Acharyas was through diksa.

 

 

So for 17 days Gaurasundar's criticism that Bhaktisiddhanta's judgment was against the entire Vedic tradition was adamantly professed by him. Newcomers who may not be informed on these matters will be mislead by such ignorant statements, especially since these attacks were hidden under the veil of a "sincere follower of Prabhupada with doubts".

 

As a guest above pointed out, why should someone be allowed to post topics as fact when one is just starting to research the topics and really has no clear conception of the matter? Innocent people will read such emphatic statements and be mislead.

 

At least now, after 17 days of this false charge against Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati everyone can agree that Bhaktisiddhanta's judgment was not against the Vedic tradition.

 

If such a simple point requires 17 days of argument to "remove the doubt" of Gaurasundar (which he still claims was just a matter of him miswording his statement) then how can anyone seriously think his "sincere doubts" that Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati fabricated his parampara could ever be answered in a hundred years? Again, these are not sincere doubts. Gaurasundar firmly believes these statements to be undisputable facts, and that no one can give him a proper answer.

 

Gaurasundar should stop following a guru he thinks is dishonest. If he thinks Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati fabricated his parampara, then he should find a guru whom he can put faith in and faithfully follow that mahatma. Sri Rupa Goswami's instruction is "adau gurvashraya". The first step is to surrender to a guru, then one's spiritual journey will begin. That surrender involves taking the spiritual master's teachings and instructions as one's heart and soul:

 

guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya,

ar na koriho mane asa

 

If one does not have faith in the teachings and instructions of Bhaktisiddhanta or Bhaktivedanta Swami, then by all means find another mahatma one has faith in and surrender to their teachings. Don't try to pose as an inquisitive follower with doubts when the fact is you are adamant that the Sarasvata line is fabricated.

 

It took 17 days for Gaurasundara to admit he was incorrect on such a basic and absurd point. What then of trying to remove his adamant charge that Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati fabricated his parampara. You cannot remove the doubt of someone who thinks he knows all the answers.

 

It is not fair to the innocent readers of these forums that they should have to read his unsubstantiated allegations as fact when he himself is just starting to study this subject. As such this thread will be closed and no more time will be wasted here on the topic. Everyone can feel free to continue this discussion in some more appropriate forum if it is a matter close to their heart.