Ricky Martin

[Haridham]

Hare Krsna

 

I hear Ricky Martin got Initiated. They were doing a music profile on him and they were saying he got initiated in some place called Puri.

 

Anyone know anything more?

 

Livin la vida spiritual life krsna loka

[gHari]

I hope it was a real heart-deep initiation into Sri Caitanya's tree.

 

I always knew he was a devotee, but thought it was through Lord Jesus. Latin countries are very godly.

 

gHari

[gHari]

<center><img src=http://canoeparts.ca/KINGDOM/RickyFoldedHands.jpg></center>

 

ARE YOU READY to USHER IN A NEW HUMANITY?

Nona Walia

 

Times News NETwork [sunday, October 19, 2003 12:00:41 AM]

 

Metrospirituals of the world, unite. Your glocal fad is acquiring a global face. The new mantra? Let's connect to create a New Humanity.

 

Come December, the Global Alliance for New Humanity will meet in Puerto Rico. Presidents and popstars, filmmakers and writers will join hands to set out a blueprint for a new world order based on love, compassion and peace. Everyone is holding hands to form this chain. Latino popstar Ricky Martin, New Age guru Deepak Chopra, writer Paulo Coehlo, South African film producer Anant Singh, Hollywood actresses Jerry Hall, Marisa Tomei, Goldie Hawn are already part of the ‘peace cells' that power the new movement.

 

"Our dream is to connect these peace cells of New Humanity in a global exchange mechanism, to build a humane world and influence international policies," says Oscar Arias Sanchez, Nobel Peace Prize winner and former president of Costa Rica.

 

Also part of the New Humanity campaign: director Shekhar Kapur, Nobel laureate Betty Williams, Pakistani activist Asma Jehangir, Hollywood actor Antonio Banderas, Jack Canfield, founder of Chicken Soup for the Soul, former US vice-president Al Gore, holistic expert Isaac Mathai and Dipak Jain, Dean of Kellogg Institute of Management in the US.

 

What brings these global celebs together? The desire to create a ‘compassionate world'. As Chopra says: "We're living a superficial life trapped in fear and greed. Yet, we're aching for a loving environment, which seems an impossibility. It's important we address the moral issues of our time so that a compassionate world does not remain a distant dream. The New Humanity will provide a balance on earth," says ChopraOlivario Toscani, the adman behind the Benetton campaign, is already conceptualising a promotional strategy for the alliance.

 

The key question: Will the alliance become a global success? "The alliance will only have caring human beings who want to transform the world or are, already transforming the world. It's a network for like-minded people, who will change the way the world thinks," says Arsenio Rodriguez, CEO of the alliance, which has signed a partnership with World Business Academy for funding projects.

 

What's on the agenda? Boston-based chef Ming Tsai will create a new cuisine, Maya Fiennes's music shall soothe the soul, Anant Singh and Goldie Hawn will talk about images on our mind screen, Deepak Chopra will chart out the healing mantra, Al Gore will define the new equilibrium of political relationships... Says Dipak Jain: "The mission is just a beginning. The timing is perfect. There's a strong need to instil softer values in business, entertainment and politics. The purpose is not to change the attitudes but make people aware and have specific action plans. This is not a cult, but a chain for peace and humanity."

 

Will the alliance be able to take on power politics and influence policies? "Almost certainly, we demand a global public policy based on compassion," says Kerry Kennedy-Cuomo, daughter of Robert Kennedy and human rights lawyer.

[gHari]

Ricky Martin donates 25crs to orphans

September 30, 2003

 

The Latin singer Ricky Martin was in Kolkata last month for mere two days. He was there to perform for a show and as usual he charmed his fans in the city. His next stop before hopping on a plane back home was Kalitala Destitute Home of Sabera Foundation, an international NGO. The foundation helps poor kids. Ricky has promised to help the kids by donating Rs 25 crore to the foundation. He also managed to shoot a video album with the kids in the foundation. The Foundation today runs a home for 110 destitute girls; a cottage industry of incense stick a music academy, a tailoring training center, a tuberculosis clinic and a football coaching camp.

 

(That is about... $5,000,000 ??)

 

 

[Haridham]

Very nice. Ricky Martin sure is using his money in good use. Did he actually get initiated into Chaitanya's tree?

 

 

Deepak Chopra is kind of an impersonlist isnt he?

 

His cell should join iskcon and his mantra should include chanting Hare Krsna.

 

Whats the harm right?

[gHari]

What did they say on the tube?

 

Atma said about an LA temple visit: "Ricky Martin showed up at the Boutique and went to see the deities and in one of his CD's he has Lord Jagannatha. Recently he came back from India and went to Jagannatha Puri".

 

I've seen Chopra a few times on TV, and he hasn't really pushed anything; very soft sell. I don't think he has realization to support any school of thought in particular.

[Haridham]

Ricky Martin is a Hare Krsna

 

I can picture him with tilak, dhoti and a sikha right now.

 

Those pelvic thrusts turn into the swami step

 

What did you mean by the subject line its your rumour haridham

[gHari]

like this: "I hear Ricky Martin got Initiated. They were doing a music profile on him and they were saying he got initiated in some place called Puri."

[Haridham]

didnt u confirm the rumor?

 

or am i helucinating?

 

Oh I need my pills again....

 

Hare Krsna

[gHari]

What EXACTLY did they say? He "was initiated into the Kali cult"? Into the Moonies? They must have said something because westerners wouldn't have a clue about what just 'initiated' means.

 

I could find nothing in a shortish search of the internet.

[Haridham]

They didnt say much, they just showed him with his hands in the pranam position while sitting down. There was like a fire sacrifice type thing and some guy doing a ceremony. It was a 1 minute piece. They mentioned he was in puri and he got a guru

 

I dont know much more beyond that

[gHari]

Hopefully sometime during his last 18 years on planes he received As It Is, and is now acting on it.

 

Is the fire sacrifice common to all sampradayas and Saivites and Advaitins?

[Kulapavana]

It could all be just a publicity stunt to boost album sales. and if he joined ISKCON or anywhere close to it, we would hear about it from our sources first. who could pass up such wonderful news! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

...or maybe he DID get tired of living "la vida loca"? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Haridham]

http:/rickymartinonline.com/news/2002stories/june/elnuevodia.html

 

 

That is the website, I coudnt copy and paste the section where he said he went to India. He got Initiated by Swami Yogeshwara. He apparently Practices Kriya Yoga after which in brakets it says "do whatever you want with your soul"

 

How do I paste on his html site properly and such.

 

Let me know.

[Haridham]

His Guru's name is Swami Yogeshwaranda

 

Hare Krsna

[gHari]

Get it together. Be practical for Krsna. These are all skills you need to develop. They are not only preaching skills, but also job skills, life skills. You can learn. School is not about a piece of papaer, it is about learning. Writing an essay about India is not about India, it is about learning to research on the internet and at the library, and writing effectively with no typos, spelling errors. You get out of it what you put into it. We all learn new things every day. You can do it.

 

It was actually "Yogeswarananda". I got it right because I copy and pasted it, which not only saves time but also reduces errors. It is only common courtesy to fellow vaishnavas that if you are writing to them of the that you edit your posts to get rid of errors and typos as well as possible. It makes it easier for them. *I will not edit this one so you can see the hassle). You also learn from trial and error and mprove your skills. Krsna is giving you this practice, so take advantage. I am always learning new spelling words after looking them up, learning never stops even for an ancient like me. So you should know that you can't coast your whole life like you did these last seven years. Every day we grow.

 

To copy you use the mouse left-clicking at the start of the passage and dragging the mouse to the end of the passage. Then it will be highlighted. Clicking the EDIT at the top and selecting COPY it will copy everything you have highlighted. Once back at your post you need only place the cursor where you want it, and then click EDIT at the top of the browser and then PASTE. Everything in the clipboard (where stuff gets copied to) will be pasted where you pointed it. You definitely need to play with your computer more. Read the HELP files for word processing and read the HELP files for your internet browser. No excuse for a young man to be lazy.

 

It doesn't appear that we'll be hearing Hare Krsna out of Ricky any time soon. I was glad his main focus is still Jesus Christ.

 

gHari

[gHari]

Seems to be a Tamil tradition coming from Babaji who is usually invisible but who sometimes appears in the Himalayas. He is 2,000 years old, and has manifested himself in a twenty year old body to his direct disciple upon initiation. One site described him as empowered 'avatara' ("An avatar is a great spiritual being beyond human limitations"). From the pictures available at the bottom of this page it seems that they revere Lord Siva, Mother Durga, and Ganesha, Lakshmi, Krishna.

 

One page of another lineage at http://kriya.org spoke of how Kriya yoga was presented first to Vivasvan who taught it to Manu who taught it to Iksvaku and later Krishna spoke it to Arjuna, which, perhaps sounds like the Gita.

 

Hatha yoga is part of it. I didn't hear too much about God on those pages. Maybe it's a soft-sell. One teacher was a disciple of a direct disciple of Paramahamsa Yogananda.

 

It may be the five-fold path to the worship of Babaji as God http://www.babaji.ca/english/kriyayoga.html

 

OM KRIYA BABAJI NAMA AUM <blockquote>

This mantra has the power to connect ones own heart to the heartbeat of the Universe. One cannot speak of Babaji's Kriya Yoga without mention of this mantra. It creates a direct line of communication with the "Divine Grace" of the legendary Himalayan Siddha, Kriya Babaji Nagaraj. Just as God cannot be seen with the physical eyes, but reveals himself to His Devotees, so it is with Sathguru Kriya Babaji. Babaji shows his physical form to so very few, but reveals Himself to all His Devotees.

.......

It flows directly from the southern Indian Siva Yoga Siddhantam tradition developed by the 18 Tamil Yoga Siddhas primarily during the period of 200 to 1200 A.D. Kriya Babaji Nagaraj developed his "Kriya Yoga" from the techniques and teachings of this 18 Siddha Tradition, in particular from those taught by his guru Boganathar. 1 This is the same Babaji who was described by Paramhamsa Yogananda in his "Autobiography of a Yogi."</blockquote>

I haven't found any direct indication of impersonalism, although referring to God always as the Divine is causing some apprehension:<blockquote>As long as the ego is still present at some level of one's being, one cannot experience the goal of "Tamil Kriya Yoga Siddhantham", which is "complete surrender" to the Divine. The hallmark of this complete surrender is "soruba samadhi" wherein the cells of the physical body become, so to speak, "enlightened", or consciously directed by the Supreme Self. Divine Grace descends into all five levels of one's being. When the physical body becomes ill or dies, even in the case of great saints, it is an indication that at least their physical vehicle has not shared in their surrender and enlightenment. Physical immortality is besides the point. Once one is completely surrendered, one follows the direction of the Divine. But the possibility of complete surrender, the goal of Kriya Yoga, depends upon a realization of the Divine not just spiritually, as in the case of saints, or not even just intellectually, mentally and vitally as in the case of sages and siddhas respectively. Only the greatest of the siddhas, the so called "Mah Siddhas", as exemplified by the 18 Siddhas, and those of "Theosophy" can be deemed to have completely surrendered themselves to the Divine.

</blockquote>

Apparently it doesn't cost too much to receive each level of initiation. If one has no money then initiation is free.

 

Maybe they are hiding their God, maybe they have no God, maybe they don't care about God - but I see no devotion to God on the webpages so far. This may be Bhagavad-gita for the siddhi hunters.

 

Seems it is claimed (by Babaji?) that He is God --http://www.babaji.ca/english/babaji.html

[gHari]

From one of the sites above:<blockquote>Babaji was given the name "Nagaraj," which means "serpent king," referring to "kundalini," our great divine potential power and consciousness. He was born on the 30th day of November 203 A.D., in a small coastal village now known as Parangipettai, in Tamil Nadu, India, near where the Cauvery River flows into the Indian Ocean. His birth coincided with the ascendancy (Nakshatra) of the star of Rohini, under which Krishna was also born. The birth took place during the celebration of Kartikai Deepam, the Festival of Lights, the night before the new moon during the Tamil month of Kartikai. His parents were Nambudri Brahmins who had immigrated there from the Malabar coast on the western side of south India. His father was the priest in the Shiva temple of this village, which is today a temple dedicated to Muruga, ShivaÕs son.

 

At the age of 5, he was kidnapped by a trader and taken as a slave to what is today Calcutta. A rich merchant purchased him, but shortly thereafter gave him his freedom. He joined a small band of wandering monks, and with them became learned in the sacred religious and philosophical literature of India. However, he was not satisfied. Hearing of the existence of a great siddha, or perfected master, named Agastyar, in the south, he made a pilgrimage to the sacred temple of Katirgama, near the southern most tip of Ceylon, the large island just south of peninsular India. There he met a disciple of Agastyar, whose name was Boganathar. He studied "dhyana," or meditation, intensively and "Siddhantham," the philosophy of the Siddhas, with Boganathar for four years. He experienced "sarvihelpa samadhi," or cognitive absorption, and had the vision of Lord Muruga, the deity of the Katirgama temple.

 

At the age of 15, Boganathar sent him to his own guru, the legendary Agastyar, who was know to be living near to Courtrallam, in Tamil Nadu. After performing intensive yogic practices at Courtrallam for 48 days, Agastyar revealed himself, and initiated him into Kriya Kundalini Pranayama, a powerful breathing technique. He directed boy Nagaraj to go to Badrinath, high in the Himalayas, and to practice all that he had learned, intensively, to become a "siddha." Over the next 18 months, Nagaraj lived alone in a cave practicing the yogic techniques which Boganathar and Agastyar has taught him. In so doing, he surrendered his ego, all the way down to the level of the cells in his body, to the Divine, which descended into him. He became a siddha, one who has surrendered to the power and consciousness of the Divine! His body was no longer subject to the ravages of disease and death. Transformed, as a Mah or great siddha, he dedicated himself to the upliftment of suffering humanity.

 

Since that time, Babaji has continued to guide and inspire some of history`s greatest saints and many spiritual teachers, in the fulfillment of their mission. These include Adi Shankaracharya, the great 9th century A.D. reformer of Hinduism, and Kabir, the 15th century saint beloved by both the Hindus and Muslims. Both of them were personally initiated by Babaji, and refer to him in their writings.

 

He has maintained the remarkable appearance of a youth of about 16 years of age. During the 19th century Madame Blavatsky, the founder of the Theosophical Society, identified him as the Matreiya, the living Buddha, or World Teacher for the coming era, described in C.W. Leadbetter's "Masters and the Path." Babaji's greatest contribution to the world in modern times has been the revival, beginning in 1861, of Kriya Yoga, whom Patanjali refers to in his famous "Yoga-Sutras." Patanjali wrote this classic text of yoga about the 3rd century A.D. In it he defines Kriya Yoga in II.1 as "constant practice, (particularly by the cultivation of detachment), self-study, and devotion to the Lord." However, along with what Patanjali described as Kriya Yoga, Babaji added the teachings of the tantra, which includes the cultivation of "kundalini," the great potential power and consciousness, through the use of breathing, mantras and devotional practices. His modern synthesis of "Kriya Yoga," includes a rich variety of techniques.

 

For the most part, teachers of "Kriya Yoga" today, are teaching only a few techniques which were adapted from what Yogananda gave to Westerners in large auditorium halls during one half hour "initiations." A few enterprising individuals are promoting their own techniques, gathered from various sources, and calling them "Kriya Yoga," with no connection whatsoever to Babaji or his lineage. However, love and devotion for Babaji are essential for the effectiveness of Kriya Yoga. Otherwise, the practice becomes mechanical and sterile. Like a tree, unless, one nurtures the roots, it will bear little or no fruit. When teachers or organizations have forgotten the living source of their teachings, Babaji has had to begin working through new vehicles.

 

During a six month period in 1954, at his ashram near Badrinath, in the Garwhal Himalayas, Babaji initiated S.A.A. Ramaiah into a complete system of 144 Kriyas, or practical techniques, involving postures, breathing, meditation, mantras and devotional techniques. The latter blossomed as a yogi, and began a worldwide mission to bring this system, referred to as "Babaji`s Kriya Yoga" to thousands of aspirants. In 1970 to 1971 he initiated the author, M. Govindan, into all 144 Kriyas. M. Govindan practiced these intensively on the average for eight hours per day for 18 years under Yogi Ramaiah's ashrams in India, the USA and Canada. In 1983, Yogi Ramaiah gave him rigorous conditions to fulfill to begin initiating others. After fulfilling these, Babaji himself appeared to him in 1988 and directed him to go and teach His Kriya Yoga to others.

 

Since 1989, he has initiated over 7,000 individuals into Babaji's Kriya Yoga. These are learned and practiced systematically, and if done regularly bring about the gradual integrated transformation of the individual at all levels. In this system, there are three levels of initiation. During the first level, one learns how to communicate with Babaji in the "Babaji Samyama Kriya," which involves a deep state of inner communion with the Satguru. Babaji gradually reveals himself to his devotees and disciples, capturing their hearts in various types of personal devotional relationships in which he guides them in their development. His relationship with each of us is unique and according to our individual needs and nature. He is our personal Guru. As our hearts expand our communion with Him culminates with the "universal vision of love," wherein one witnesses Babaji in everything.

 

Today, the existence and person of Babaji has become obscured by solemn pronouncements by the Self-Realization Fellowship and by others that Babaji no longer exists on the physical plane. This is like claiming "that Japan does not exist, because I have never seen it." Babaji's own promise in the "Autobiography of a Yogi," is that he would remain on the physical plane until the end of the age, thousands of years henceforward. Since the early 1950's it has been SRF policy to treat him as inaccessible in any way. In effect he has become a historical footnote, or at best, like a saint in the Catholic Church, rather than, the living fountainhead, the sole guru of the Kriya Yoga tradition.</blockquote>

 

[Haridham]

wow at first I wasnt sure if we were on the same page. However I quickly understood what you meant. Yes I have wasted my time the last few years but I am trying to recover now.

 

However when I went to the site I coudnt copy and paste the article as it woudnt let me so I just gave you the address I hope you had luck looking at it.

 

I will be ok, I just found out more news today so things are not as much as a burden anymore although i did have an argument with my parents this morning.

 

Anyways chastisment accepted and understood.

[Haridham]

wow this is a nice and intriguing article.

 

It doesnt say one word about relationship with Krsna though!

 

Now what is Higher, Kriya Yoga or bhakti yoga?

 

Also is this babaji still around now or something?

[stonehearted]

I noticed that they're advertising a CD by Bhagavan das. I knew him in 1971. He spent a couple of months at a house down the street from the old Honolulu temple. This was a very big house, with a huge banyan tree in the front yard, and Alan Peloquin, one of my old friends from the Navy was staying there. Siddha was preaching to Alan (he was a photgorapher and a printer), and we got to know Bhagavad das pretty well. He came to the temple often and was polite, but he made it clear he wasn't joining us. He had his guru and was working on putting together his own spiritual scene, which he did. Man, those were interesting days! Sadguru Sivaya Subrahmaniya Swami (the big Shaivite guru with the ashram on Kauai and publisher of Hinduism Today), then known simply as Master Subrahmaniya, also came to our Sunday feasts on several occasions around that time.

[Haridham]

Wow you have quite the history there.

 

THere is so much out there that I dont even know. Sometimes these can raise doubts but how can I leave PRabhupad and my Guru's lotus feat.

 

I have heard crazy stories since then and about then. I mean about how people were stealing disciples and such. I hope I dont do anything like this one day.

 

Sometimes these things can be overwhelming too.

 

I also see that they like coming for prasadam and not much else.

 

Oh well, Hare Krsna

 

 

[gHari]

Apparently he is still giving darshan.

 

Kriya seems to be 144 practices in five disciplines of hatha, pranayama breathing and kundalini, dhyana, mantra and bhakti yogas (or whatever that website said that is referenced above). It seems they rise up to bhakti yoga.

 

It doesn't sound too bad, just like you say, not much Krsna except that He taught Kriya yoga initially. I haven't tried to find the word in the Gita yet, but I don't expect it. It seems to revolve around 18 perfected beings, Mah siddhas from Tamil-nadu, especially one who achieved siddha perfection and has vowed to remain until the end of Kali Yuga as Babaji.

 

I saw the picture of one westerner acarya who seemed to have three horizontal clay lines on his forehead like a devotee of Siva. I'll look at their 'rosary' beads to see if that suggests anything. A search on this Fellowship will likely prove informative too.

 

Judging from that last article I quoted, the SRF organiztion has distilled and commericalized Paramahamsa Yogananda's teachings (according to that sect of the Babaji tree). But maybe that's like the lies the Maths and Babajis in our tree tell about one another.

 

[Haridham]

so coudnt people follow this kriya yoga instead of bhakti yoga because this babaji is still giving darshan even after thousands of years and will remain till the end of kali yuga.

 

Wow this stuff can really be overwhelming and produce a lot of doubts

[Haridham]

wow after coming to this forum after just a few weeks I dont know anything. Before I thought I knew something but I dont know anything about our vast vedic culture. ITs a big bottle of confusion.

 

Hayayai

Hare Krsna