Hope, is it a way to be in illusion

lover_soul · December 16, 2003

Hello, Have you ever thought of the things that you do in your life, no matter how much you try to change them they will never change? So, if you hope things change then is it not an illusion because things turn out only as they wish and nothing more. I find it hard to see that there is a supreme entity controlling everything in this world. It is easier to believe that it is a mess made by actions of countless beings who are just living out their lives, where the factors contributing to the result of an action are many.

yasodanandana · December 16, 2003

no matter how much you try to change them they will never change?

•••yes, it happens most of the times.. it is called karma.. we are so entangled by the reactions of our past activities that the freedom to change our destiny is very near to zero... and what we do now generates new karma and on and on and on

So, if you hope things change then is it not an illusion because things turn out only as they wish and nothing more.

••••not as they wish... as we wish, but our desires are so out of control, and we are so ignorant of the reactions to our actions that it seems that all is happening randomly

I find it hard to see that there is a supreme entity controlling everything in this world.

••••it is easy, because seeing al this mess by a more higher perspective everything works with precise laws: the planets, the gravity, the ecology, the life, the time... there's peoples and nations gaining power because they were poor from hundreds of years, and people who being rich for many years now they have to pay the bill and getting weaker. So from a higher perspective everything is logical.

and this logic who rules the universe is an aspect or an energy of god

It is easier to believe that it is a mess made by actions of countless beings who are just living out their lives,

••••no, this (apparent)mess cannot change the laws of the nature.. things are always falling from high to low, water is wet, people are born young and die old, sun is hot, snow is cold... so there's rules.. and these rules are not behaving randomly and they do not depend from our behaviour..

Govindaram · December 16, 2003

Loversoul

So, if you hope things change then is it not an illusion because things turn out only as they wish and nothing more.

Krishna has given us all free will, this is one of the qualities of the soul. He does not interfere, see Gita.

Govindaram · December 18, 2003

Bg.18.73

Arjuna said, My dear Krsna, O infallible one, my illusion is now gone. I have regained my memory by Your mercy, and I am now firm and free from doubt and am prepared to act according to Your instructions.

PURPORT

The constitutional position of a living entity, represented by Arjuna, is that he has to act according to the order of the Supreme Lord. He is meant for self-discipline. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that the actual position of the living entity is that of eternal servant of the Supreme Lord. Forgetting this principle, the living entity becomes conditioned by material nature, but in serving the Supreme Lord, he becomes the liberated servant of God. The living entity's constitutional position is to be a servitor; he has to serve either the illusory maya or the Supreme Lord. If he serves the Supreme Lord, he is in his normal condition, but if he prefers to serve the illusory external energy, then certainly he will be in bondage. In illusion the living entity is serving in this material world. He is bound by his lust and desires, yet he thinks of himself as the master of the world. This is called illusion . When a person is liberated, his illusion is over, and he voluntarily surrenders unto the Supreme to act according to His desires. The last illusion , the last snare of maya to trap the living entity, is the proposition that he is God. The living entity thinks that he is no longer a conditioned soul, but God. He is so unintelligent that he does not think that if he were God, then how could he be in doubt? That he does not consider. So that is the last snare of illusion . Actually to become free from the illusory energy is to understand Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and agree to act according to His order.

The word moha is very important in this verse. Moha refers to that which is opposed to knowledge. Actually real knowledge is the understanding that every living being is eternally a servitor of the Lord, but instead of thinking oneself in that position, the living entity thinks that he is not a servant, that he is the master of this material world, for he wants to lord it over the material nature. That is his illusion . This can be overcome by the mercy of the Lord or by the mercy of a pure devotee. When that illusion is over, one agrees to act in Krsna consciousness.

Krsna consciousness is acting according to Krsna's order. A conditioned soul illusioned by the external energy of matter does not know that the Supreme Lord is the master who is full of knowledge and who is the proprietor of everything. Whatever He desires He can bestow upon His devotees; He is the friend of everyone, and He is especially inclined to His devotee. He is the controller of this material nature and of all living entities. He is also the controller of inexhaustible time, and He is full of all opulences and all potencies. The Supreme Personality of Godhead can even give Himself to the devotee. One who does not know Him is under the spell of illusion; he does not become a devotee, but a servitor of maya. Arjuna, however, after hearing Bhagavad-gita from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, became free from all illusion. He could understand that Krsna was not only his friend, but the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And he understood Krsna factually. So to study Bhagavad-gita is to understand Krsna factually. When a person is in full knowledge, he naturally surrenders to Krsna. When Arjuna understood that it was Krsna's plan to reduce the unnecessary increase of population, he agreed to fight according to Krsna's desire. He again took up his weapons--his arrows and bow--to fight under the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

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