particular relationship eternal?

[Govindaram]

Hare Krishna

 

Our relationship with Lord Krishna is Eternal: Does this mean as Father/Mother/Friend etc, does the mentioned relationships change? as in the case of Brahmana Sudama, who due to a curse came as a demon, so in this case how is the particular relationship eternal? I do not understand. Can you help please.

[Priitaa]

I don't have any quotes on me at the moment, but I remember when I was a new bhaktin I was told our relationship can change, and it changes in the direction of an increase.

[Guest guest]

Just like you are always the son or daughter of

your parents but your actual relationship can

change depending on various circumstances,

in the same way we are eternally in the same

relationship with God,but that can manifest in various ways.

 

Just like as a child you relate to your parents differently

then when you are an adult,still they are your parents, that doesn't change.

 

So our actual relationship with God is fluid,it can change

and is not set in stone for all time,God is an individual

as you are,with that dynamic there is always potential

for change.

 

For those on the path of bhakti yoga becoming conscious

of God and entering into a relationship is the

goal, Our relationship with God changes as we change.

 

First you may approach God in a humble way,with awe and worshipfullness and a servile mentality,that changes as you get closer to God.

 

After that first stage the result is you have become

educated , you know what God likes,What God

desires from you,What God is in realtionship

to the material world,in relation to your mind,

in relation to everything.

 

With that knowledge your relationship has not changed

in essence, you are still essentially a dependent

like a child to his parents, but you have grown up

and your actual relationship has changed.

 

then your attitude towards God is no longer servile

or worshipfull, it is no longer based on trying

to gain a position in relation to God, the "I do this to attain the desired benefit from this" relationship,it is

a relationship based on the actual interaction

between a liberated soul in full knowledge of God with

God, which is categoricaly different then the previous

realtionship which was distant and not based on interaction and full knowledge.

So the basic relationship is eternal, but the actual

interaction is fluid,it can change,the shastra is not always literal when describing rasa in eternity,

rather it's purpose is not to provide you with

knowledge of every single detail of everything,

it's purpose is to give you the ability to

directly interact with God,then all your questions

can be answered.

 

[Govindaram]

 

Hare Krishna,

 

 

Thats just what i needed, thankyou.

 

Now i know why i switch in my mind between thinking like:

 

Krishna is my friend 1 moment, then father next, then Lord next. I really need to understand the above more, but nevertheless i do like the feelings (on material platform of-cource), i was also thinking that since Krishna is completly absolute, could this be a reason for the change of Rasa's?

 

 

[Guest guest]

real rasa is not there until we have full knowledge

of Krsna and ourselves,until then the "rasa "we have

is of student, our rasa changes as we change,

as we become more knowledgable more conscious

of God in truth our relationship evolves from

student to intimacy.

 

It is not artifical but based on realization which

means experience, if we mentally through an artifical process imagine ourselves to be closer to Krsna then

we actually are that isn't rasa,that is Sadhana

of some type based on attaining rasa.

 

If we as you suggest sometimes concieve of Krsna

in different ways that is not rasa that is a mental

approach.

 

Real rasa is reciprocal,when you are evolved to the

extent necessary then Rasa becomes manifest,

not artifically through a mental conception

or attitude, Krsna is everywhere and can reveal

His presence and relate to you at any time,all

that is required is your ability to relate,

that is natural and will not be an artificial

imposition.

 

Bhakti is the process of becoming conversant with

God,God is not far away from us ,but with us,

when we have fully understood God and ourselves

then there is no reason for seperation between

the two to continue,at that point we enter into

the eternal rasa of intimacy,no need for waiting

until the next life,the moment you are ready,

reality becomes personal.

[Govindaram]

 

Hare Krishna

 

Thats clears it up i feel a little, eternal spiritual with Eternal spiritual, i was thinking in my mind about my body, once i realize my eternal nature, it should be easy to find krishna /images/graemlins/cool.gif the thing is with chanting, you can feel bliss instantly it doesn't take years, though it is just a taste. Its makes me think and wonder that there is something beyond material happiness.

 

 

Jaya sri radhe!

 

 

[livingentity]

What's that?

[Priitaa]

Ditto to what L.E. said. I'd be happy with a lack of material suffering. That would be my material pleasure. lol