siddha-pranali

Govindaram · January 8, 2004

http://www.nectarofdevotion.com/15

In this connection, we should be careful about <font color="red"> the so-called siddha-pranali. </font color> The siddha-pranali process is followed by a class of men who are not very authorized and who have manufactured their own way of devotional service. They imagine that they have become associates of the Lord simply by thinking of themselves like that. This external behavior is not at all according to the regulative principles. The so-called siddha-pranali process is followed by the prakrta-sahajiya, a pseudosect of so-called Vaisnavas. In the opinion of Rupa Gosvami, such activities are simply disturbances to the standard way of devotional service.

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Not wanted to start a fight /images/graemlins/wink.gif, but what is meant by the above?

January 8, 2004

Be practical in Love-That is what it means. Do not imagine and do not use God for position, but make Him use you. True love means serving Him the way He likes, not the way you like.

January 8, 2004

the basic idea is that the concept of entering

into your rasa with Radha Krsna is by some

people believed to be done in the ascending

method ,Srila Prabhupada preached that it

comes down,in the descending method.

the idea of siddha pranali is that of a an initiation

or revelation into your rasa by a Guru in a line

of Gurus,each who has been given entrance into

their rasa by the previous Guru.

Prakrta sahajia are those who believe that rasa

can be entered into by some form of act or ritual

or sadhana or methodology,essentially it also

is the ascending idea of rasa,that by your effort

or by someones effort or initiation you enter

into rasa.

These ideas are contrary to what Bhaktisiddhanta taught,

and for good reason,the result of these practices

produce a person who is living a fantasy,yet is convinced

that what he is doing is the end all and be all

of the Bhakti marg.

Bhaktisiddhanta preached the descending method of Bhakti,

that your rasa was a reality that is not attained by

any form of sadhana or methodology,all forms of sadhana are strictly

for the purpose of QUALIFYING the performer to

enable the descending reality which is given to the

sadhaka,the others believe that by the sadhana itself

or by the ritual or whatever method they perform

that by that act they will enter into Rasa with Krsna.

They believe that if you meditate on being a gopi,

you gradually become a gopi.

This is like a person who believes if they meditate

on being rich,they will become rich.

These people will point at a few places in sastra

and claim that their path is authorized,

in fact the passages they utilize to claim

authenticity are very very few,and are open

to interpretation due to the way they are

worded.

So all they have is a few verses and with that they

create an entire philosophy,even though those few verses

can be interpreted differently then they do.

still the basic concept is that they think that

if they meditate on being a gopi,

they will become one.

So they focus almost exclusively on Krsna lila

with the gopis,and they do their bhajan,their meditation,

and in this way their lives are wasted in seclusion

or in fantasy.

This is the bhajananandi concept of bhakti,

the concept of a self centered form of bhakti,

you could say anti-social, depending on the

extent the person takes his practice or on the form

that practice takes.

I don't mean the sahajiyas in the tantric tradition,

they have a more tantric method of imagining

themseleves as Krsna and Radha in their sexual

practice similar in ways to the Shaivite or

Buddhist Tantric cults.

Bhaktisiddhanta and Srila Prabhupada taught the concept

of Vraja lila being non different then Gaura lila,

In Bhaktivinodas Jaiva Dharma when asked about how to enter

into Krsnas pastimes,the first answer is that Sri Caitanyas

pastimes are Krsnas pastimes, they are non different,so

engaging in the sankirtan lila in the association

of the vaisnavas is considered non different then

Krsnas lila in Vraja,they are one on the transcendental level.

So they preached forget all this nonsense of

meditation on your siddha deha ,live your life

in the service of Sri Caitanyas lila,in the association

of the vaisnava community,then you are factually living

in the eternal realm,the highest realm is described

as having two sections,in one Krsna lila,

in the other Gaura lila, they are both going on

simultaneously ,it's described sometimes the devotee

engages in the intimate pastimes of Vraja,and at other

times in the distribution of that lila,this was

their preaching.

you buy your ticket to Vraja by engaging

in Gaura lila,You put your money into

one slot,and your ticket comes out of another,

so Krsna lila is what one finds himself

in when engaging in Gaura lila, on the transcedental

plane,they are identical,so the concept is that

the self centered mood of gain by meditation

lacks the reality of Vraja manifest in

Gaura lila,where service to the Vaisnava is

held above all else,

not anti social bhajananandi sadhana /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

January 8, 2004

another quote from Srila Prabhupada from the NOD

It is said by Srila Rupa Goswami,"When one is actually liberated from material contamination, he can always remember an eternal devotee in Vrindavana in order to love Krsna in the same capacity. And developing such an aptitude, one will always live in Vrindavan, even within his mind."

To me this has a meaning that when one is liberated

"one will always live in Vrndavan,even within his mind"

which means that "even" implies "in addition to",

so the devotee will live in Vrndavana,in his mind

that will be the vision as well, not that there

will be a vision of Vraja in the mind like a dream,

but that Vraja will be seen everywhere,and your mind

will have the vision of one in Vraja.

Govindaram · January 8, 2004

Shiva Prabhu:

"Bhaktisiddhanta and Srila Prabhupada taught the concept

of Vraja lila being non different then Gaura lila,

In Bhaktivinodas Jaiva Dharma when asked about how to enter

into Krsnas pastimes,the first answer is that Sri Caitanyas

pastimes are Krsnas pastimes, they are non different,so

engaging in the sankirtan lila in the association

of the vaisnavas is considered non different then

Krsnas lila in Vraja,they are one on the transcendental level."

Very nice!

Ps. The last verce you posted, is the same for Vadhi-Bhakti, that when you are liberated, you can remember Krishna. something like that anyway /images/graemlins/smile.gif..i didn't understand everything you said, but i'm sure somebody else did. Haribol.