siddha-pranali diksa?

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*** What was Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura's criticism of siddha-pranali diksa?

 

Because it became simply mechanical formality, even at that that the spiritual teacher has not been qualified in own relations, the disciple has not been qualified in such following.

 

Siddha-pranali as the variant is possible at mutual qualification but what can be "pranali" if this "pranali" is simply invented or sold in this or that form. Diksa means initial dedication and the ambassador the disciple should gradually and pass stages of a spiritual life consistently. Actually not so necessarily formal dedication in " siddha-pranali " because all this can occur without formalities or in "absence" of the spiritual teacher. Siddha-pranali means high qualification and if the person really developing spiritually has passed so much set of stages before self-comprehension formal initiation in that case not essentially though probably as a variant. In any case dedication in siddha-pranali demands qualification and it became obvious that in days of SBT it already basically simply business, therefore and has been rejected. SBST has established standard sampradaya instead of deformed by then existing.

 

*** Why did he not institute it in his mission?

 

I heard that some His disciples have been devoted thus, but besides the spiritual life ALREADY MEANS that the person reaches self-comprehension. But without authoritative following all spiritual life it will be simple game of names.

 

*** Is it possible for his followers to attain Vraja bhakti without this initiation?

 

That such "initiation" also will not give any bhakti "vraja" the rest. The impression is created that somebody thinks that the spiritual body "is created" the guru. The rasa of an spiritual world is eternal, therefore senselessly to establish system of distribution siddha-pranali "races". Following in the steps SB the person reaches an inner world, and certain not clear quality "dedication" in "gopi" has no any value in this connection.

 

*** And what is the guru parampara of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura?

 

It also is Brahma-Madhava-gaudiy sampradaya. SBST has come specially to restore her. Obviously that arguments about physical connection parampara are insolvent, because physical connection has no special spiritual sense. Precisely just as BG it has been told Arjuna, but Arjuna it is not mentioned anywhere in list parampara. In the list of continuity are specified basic acaryas, all gurus there are not specified, that not probably simply physically and there is no necessity to specify all gurus. The most basic persons parampara it is Lord Brahma, Srila Madvacarya and Lord Caitanya. Philosophy Madvacarya is a part vaisnavas philosophies and a part of a spiritual way, therefore there is no necessity "to coordinate" all this with "matrimonial". " Matrimonial " it is a part of the sermon sahajiyas and to them similar and has no any relation to a true spiritual life. If who that takes a part sastra because it "was pleasant" to him, in this case such approach completely depreciated sastra. Therefore "matrimonial" at such approach in general sastra are not.

 

 

*** While he may have criticized others justly, did he throw the baby out with the bath water when he abandoned the siddha-pranali diksa?

 

It completely senseless practice in such statement. Sastra Gosvamis means the complete approach and as it means that the person realizes the previous stages. As for example in Harinama Cintamani before the supreme principles are described, all before are described that precedes this. Simply if the person opens last page not GO previous, it is not meaningful. Precisely just as certain "philosophers" take last dialogue Lord Caitanya with Ramananda Ray not that that not having realized the previous principles, but even in the theory not understanding position Lord Caitanya and His philosophies. By the way to tell the book which it has been sent on West SBT it there was " a Doctrine Lord Caitanya ", but besides such philosophers or the guru no understand mission Lord Caitanya alter all that Lord Caitanya it " Narayana not the supreme ", that Lord Caitanya it only the intermediate stage in their great "movement" or they "great" position, fame and ets.

 

As Srila Prabhupada truly writes - " such neophytes bring the unripe emotions in a life of pure devoted service ".

 

So SBST has removed this tama guna from ocean of devoted service because it there is not necessary.

 

*** There is no record of Bhaktisiddhanta ever receiving siddha-pranali diksa from his diksa guru, Gaura Kisora dasa babaji. Some of his followers say that he was told by Gaura Kisora that he would realize his svarupa in the syllables of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra.

 

SBST it the released soul, in the second siddha pranali it only some attributes of a spiritual life and somewhat and in the third if the person has realized itself it and is the bona fide siddha pranali. If the person realizes the God and it and is perfect siddha pranali, in any case sastra Gosvami means the consecutive approach.

 

*** Bhaktisiddhanta fashioned his own approach to realizing one's spiritual identity and engaging in raganuga sadhana, one that appears to have been based on practices predating siddha-pranali diksa.

 

Srila Prabhupada has established standard practice of devoted service in a counterbalance of a various sort apa sampradaya that time.

 

*** In this approach, he laid more stress on kirtan than smaranam.

 

Kirtanam is the basic process. In general from the spiritual point of view there is no difference between kirtanam and smaranam in this sense, and the standard level of a spiritual life is realization of that a sacred name not different the God. Smaranam as such it is not attributed neither to bhagavata viddhi nor to pancaratrica viddhi because it can be and that and other nature, but as a whole it is not included in standard bhagavata viddhi - sravanam, kirtanam.

 

*** Kirtan cleanses the heart and qualifies one for smaranam.

 

It and not so because kirtanam it is self-sufficient. If the person is pure that she does how many that meditations as brahman, but kirtanam or a sacred name are completely spiritual and do not depend on any other clearing processes. It is sometimes spoken about brahman initiation, but only in connection with qualification in sacred name.

 

*** Thus, although raganuga bhakti involves, smaranam, kirtan is its primary limb.

 

Thus it is typical version sahajiya to allocate smaranam.

 

"In Bhakti-sandarbha, Jiva Goswami emphasizes the relative importance of kirtan over smaranam thus: ' These words of the Visnu Purana show that the glorification of the Lord (kirtan) is much more importance than meditation, which leads in stages to samadhi. '

 

See Goswamis confirm all this. Therefore as it is possible to speak about following for Goswami in that case? Smaranam or meditation is a part of a gradual way, but kirtanam it is essence devoted service.

 

*** Bhaktisiddhanta dubbed the printing press brhat-mrdanga, great drum, reasoning that the chanting of the sacred name could be heard for a few blocks, whereas the printed kirtan could be heard around the world. He considered the printing press to belong to raga-marga of raganuga sadhana.

 

What reach the even greater clearness in this question can to esteem CC and to look at an example of set perfect devotees Lord Caitanya. It is possible that there were so much difficulties at Srila Prabhupada, sooo a bog. Actually many leave ISKCON having taken part in insult GM Srila Prabhupada, and then still leave and GM having taken part in insult SBST. Actually GM having made insult SBST and having lost any orientation, has been defeated babaji and in many parts now it follows certain crooked hybrids from philosophy babaji.

 

*** As ISKCON continues its worldwide preaching campaign, it needs to pause and ask itself what the goal of such preaching is.

 

They should not so experience for ISKCON, it is especial if the person has left him on the motives. As to be neither in that organization nor in this means to not be anywhere. Therefore and so on at ISKCON it is a lot of different sort of observers, advisers, but the person should develop real, instead of artistic humility, spiritual understanding and fidelity first of all itself and remaining in ISKCON then is possible to improve it.

 

*** Its senior members need greater theoretical acquaintance with their heritage and its esoteric practices, so they do not mistake them to be the property of those whom Bhaktisiddhanta opposed, rather than their own. They need to unite with the rest of the family of Bhaktisiddhanta, which would help them to unite with one another.

 

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*** They need to unite with the rest of the family of Bhaktisiddhanta,

 

ISKCON is real Srila Prabhupada's family.

 

*** ISKCON is not alone in falling short of the ideal of Bhaktisiddhanta.

 

IMHO if at whom that in a head that that falls, he thinks that at all too all falls.

 

*** The followers of Bhaktisiddhanta must take care to guard against institutionalized conceptions of spiritual succession obscuring the spiritual descent.

 

Correctly all these false concepts and wishes will stay where in the other place, but not in the spiritual organization.

 

 

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Diksa SBST

 

He " did not begin to receive " initiation from the father because it could throw a shadow on His sermon or as you speak to enter him in the list of "traditional" materialistic religions like family Gosvamis. SBST missed as with SBT on those or other questions and as as SBT anyhow popularized some parts sastra for the sake of the beginning of the sermon a little that is clear.

 

SBST would write " Prakrita rasa " for that what to specify neophytes at the best and materialists, a part from which it happens as it is simple demons. First attribute of a demon that its some enemies in his " pure devotional service " can fall (for many reasons that there is a theme for separate conversation), and the first attribute sadhu that all his "enemies" progress and are occupied anyhow. How many people have offended Jesus Christ? How many people have offended Srila Prabhupada and how many people have offended SBST? All of them serve also all of them are accepted, though certainly such "service" not is the bona fide.

 

The note - what to expand understanding "demons" could be recollected that for example Aghasura has achieved position above usual devotes, those who is in the meditation, devotes which constantly behold the form of the God at itself in heart or a deity in a temple as it is written by Srila Prabhupada.

 

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"Persons constantly thinking of the eternal form of the Lord in the shape of the Deity or in the shape of a mental form are awarded the transcendental benediction of entering into the kingdom of God and associating with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So we can just imagine the elevated position of someone like Aghasura, into whose body the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kanea, personally entered. Great sages, meditators and devotees constantly keep the form of the Lord within their hearts, or they see the Deity form of the Lord in the temples; in that way they become liberated from all material contamination and at the end of the body enter into the kingdom of God. This perfection is possible simply by keeping the form of the Lord within the mind. But in the case of Aghasura, the Supreme Personality of Godhead personally entered. Aghasura's position was therefore greater than the ordinary devotee's or the greatest yoge's."

 

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About diksa -

 

Diksa - you listen to this acceptance - sravanam, then you decide to accept the guru by many criteria and accept and after you have accepted there is a ceremony or registration. But registration it not diksa or what, you where? The ceremony too is spiritual, but essence that not in it. That RELATIONS also are essence diksa. You begin it as more less material RELATIONS and later they become spiritual. It is possible to pass five ceremonies but if we shall not follow it is senseless.